Natalee Case Discussion #769 9/15/08 through 9/20/08

[wreck]

and believe me ...... you are in the "book"   

[klaasend]

Klaas.....this is going really slow and I probably won't be here for lock up time. Just letting Mods know.

Will probably be another couple days before page 50 unless there's action like an article in Diario 

Have you guys heard from Tim since he left aruba?

Yes, I know Red has but Tim and the rest of the TES people have been busy with the hurricane aftermath. 

[Jonathan45]

@Johan555

Thank you.

There we have the spot [ red points] I meant and ofcourse just below other private property spots to dispose a body.

[texasmom]

THEY DESERVE THEIR DAUGHTER BACK

Yes they do Kermit.

[johan555]

@Johan555

Thank you.

There we have the spot [ red points] I meant and ofcourse just below other private property spots to dispose a body.

ehh---- Jonathan why do you think the body is in that area ?

[San]

Look who Joe Tacopina is representing now.  A cop killer.  This POS Brancato was always a troublemaker.  A guy I worked with knew him and he said he was a punk.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/09/20/2008-09-20_soprano_solo_in_slay_trial-1.html

'Soprano' solo in slay trial
BY CHRISENA COLEMAN
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Saturday, September 20th 2008, 12:51 AM

"Sopranos" actor Lillo Brancato will be tried separately from his allegedly trigger-happy cohort for the murder of an off-duty cop, a Bronx judge ruled Friday.

Brancato, who got his acting break as a teen in Robert De Niro's movie "A Bronx Tale," is slated to go on trial on Oct. 28.

Supreme Court Justice Martin Marcus ruled Brancato and pal Steven Armento will have separate days in court following a push by prosecutors to have the pair tried together.

The decision could benefit Brancato because the actor has claimed he had no idea Armento, 51, had a gun when the pair broke into an apartment next door to off-duty cop Daniel Enchautegui in search of drugs in December 2005.

When Enchautegui confronted them outside his home in Pelham Bay, the Bronx, Armento shot him, police said.

Before he died, the officer returned fire, wounding Armento and Brancato.

"We want Lillo Brancato to be tried on his actions that night and the jury to make a decision based on his role or his lack of role," said his lawyer, Joseph Tacopina.

"Mr. Brancato is very different than his codefendant. He didn't have a gun, he didn't shoot anyone ... he got shot," said Tacopina.

Armento will be the first of the twosome to stand trial before Marcus on Sept. 29.

Armento's hospital statements, meanwhile, will be used during his trial despite a bid by his lawyer to have them tossed because he was heavily medicated during interviews with cops - a claim that was debunked by doctors.

ccoleman@nydailynews.com

[San]

When you are with someone who shot at a cop Joe and you are caught red handed what did he expect for him to say move over so I can shoot the guy who shot me.  What an A Hole.

[wreck]

Are they going to bring in Pauly Walnuts as a character witness?

[wreck]

(or is that "Paulus" Walnuts??) 

[RoxiBalboa]

LMAO@Paulus Walnuts!

[Lala'sMom]

(or is that "Paulus" Walnuts??) 

I didn't know walnuts grew on Aruba.  Little did I know.

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning...for Lala's and Rob...from my notes

Van der straten said; front page June10th.2005
Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.
Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and….snipped
 
From the Mountain Brook Student Quotes…Alana
 
June 12th, 2005 3:30 pm:
He was playing in the casino in our hotel a few nights before. I guess Natalee liked him well enough to hang out with him over the next few days…
   
June 12th, 2005 3:46 pm:
she didn’t know he couldnt drive.. he lied to all of us about his age

 

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's did you go away????

Wreck is correct...everyone is in my book. 

[RoxiBalboa]

(or is that "Paulus" Walnuts??) 

I didn't know walnuts grew on Aruba.  Little did I know.

perhaps wreck meant to say peanuts

[Lala'sMom]

Good Morning...for Lala's and Rob...from my notes

Van der straten said; front page June10th.2005
Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.
Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and….snipped
 
From the Mountain Brook Student Quotes…Alana
 
June 12th, 2005 3:30 pm:
He was playing in the casino in our hotel a few nights before. I guess Natalee liked him well enough to hang out with him over the next few days…
   
June 12th, 2005 3:46 pm:
she didn’t know he couldnt drive.. he lied to all of us about his age

 

So Joran could be the 5th suspect?  Well, now this is even better.  This thought came to me while watching the A&E special the other night. We have debated this before, but never actually talked too much about it because of the way we count suspects.

Mum I know this is against all you and I and a few others think, but let's look at it for a minute..

1. Mickey Johns
2. Abraham Jones
3. Deepak Kalpoe
4. Satish Klapoe
5 Joran van der Sloot


OK, now this could make sense if all the criteria are met...let's look at that also...

1. Boyfriend from earlier....played in casino...Natalee knew of him early on.
2. Scorned lover...
3. Cool and crazy guy....met in casino...

OK, that's where it ends for me...I would need to know about a party Joran hosted...and he left and others provided the alibi...OK...again...that doesn't work....NEXT...


and then you have Paulus...that did come to pick Joran up...it has been discussed that Paulus' alibi was his two kids Val and Sebastian.  I am still working on that one.  Several things fit nicely into this scenario and some things don't. It depends if you believe Simian was telling the truth or not.  If you believe everything Simian says or only what is convenient and works for your theory.  I guess I am back to the drawing board...again.

[Lala'sMom]

(or is that "Paulus" Walnuts??) 

I didn't know walnuts grew on Aruba.  Little did I know.

perhaps wreck meant to say peanuts

 

[San]

(or is that "Paulus" Walnuts??) 

 

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning...for Lala's and Rob...from my notes

Van der straten said; front page June10th.2005
Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.
Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and….snipped
 
From the Mountain Brook Student Quotes…Alana
 
June 12th, 2005 3:30 pm:
He was playing in the casino in our hotel a few nights before. I guess Natalee liked him well enough to hang out with him over the next few days…
   
June 12th, 2005 3:46 pm:
she didn’t know he couldnt drive.. he lied to all of us about his age

 

So Joran could be the 5th suspect?  Well, now this is even better.  This thought came to me while watching the A&E special the other night. We have debated this before, but never actually talked too much about it because of the way we count suspects.

Mum I know this is against all you and I and a few others think, but let's look at it for a minute..

1. Mickey Johns
2. Abraham Jones
3. Deepak Kalpoe
4. Satish Klapoe
5 Joran van der Sloot


OK, now this could make sense if all the criteria are met...let's look at that also...

1. Boyfriend from earlier....played in casino...Natalee knew of him early on.
2. Scorned lover...
3. Cool and crazy guy....met in casino...

OK, that's where it ends for me...I would need to know about a party Joran hosted...and he left and others provided the alibi...OK...again...that doesn't work....NEXT...


and then you have Paulus...that did come to pick Joran up...it has been discussed that Paulus' alibi was his two kids Val and Sebastian.  I am still working on that one.  Several things fit nicely into this scenario and some things don't. It depends if you believe Simian was telling the truth or not.  If you believe everything Simian says or only what is convenient and works for your theory.  I guess I am back to the drawing board...again.

Lala's...I posted in Shango1 once that something I read made Joran sound like the boyfriend from earlier in the week. Just saw it and will find it for you.

Was Guido? a suspect early on...just because we didn't know..did Simian?

[SS]

Good Morning...for Lala's and Rob...from my notes

Van der straten said; front page June10th.2005
Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.
Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and….snipped
 
From the Mountain Brook Student Quotes…Alana
 
June 12th, 2005 3:30 pm:
He was playing in the casino in our hotel a few nights before. I guess Natalee liked him well enough to hang out with him over the next few days…
   
June 12th, 2005 3:46 pm:
she didn’t know he couldnt drive.. he lied to all of us about his age

 

So Joran could be the 5th suspect?  Well, now this is even better.  This thought came to me while watching the A&E special the other night. We have debated this before, but never actually talked too much about it because of the way we count suspects.

Mum I know this is against all you and I and a few others think, but let's look at it for a minute..

1. Mickey Johns
2. Abraham Jones
3. Deepak Kalpoe
4. Satish Klapoe
5 Joran van der Sloot


OK, now this could make sense if all the criteria are met...let's look at that also...

1. Boyfriend from earlier....played in casino...Natalee knew of him early on.
2. Scorned lover...
3. Cool and crazy guy....met in casino...

OK, that's where it ends for me...I would need to know about a party Joran hosted...and he left and others provided the alibi...OK...again...that doesn't work....NEXT...


and then you have Paulus...that did come to pick Joran up...it has been discussed that Paulus' alibi was his two kids Val and Sebastian.  I am still working on that one.  Several things fit nicely into this scenario and some things don't. It depends if you believe Simian was telling the truth or not.  If you believe everything Simian says or only what is convenient and works for your theory.  I guess I am back to the drawing board...again.

The 5th

- Was the cool and crazy guy from ealier in the week - Paulus isn't cool and crazy
- Ex- boyfriend - Paulus didn't have an "affair" with Natalee
- Was seen on tape - the casino tape or an HI tape and witnessed by Elizabeth Cain?
- Had a party at his house - Paulus was in the casinos
- Had an alibi so tight. Friends say they were with him the entire night.  Friends will protect     
   friends - Lorenzo had an alibi by Arendsz and others that they were with him
- Val and Sebastian aren't friends - they are the children of Paulus

[Lala'sMom]

Good Morning...for Lala's and Rob...from my notes

Van der straten said; front page June10th.2005
Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.
Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and….snipped
 
From the Mountain Brook Student Quotes…Alana
 
June 12th, 2005 3:30 pm:
He was playing in the casino in our hotel a few nights before. I guess Natalee liked him well enough to hang out with him over the next few days…
   
June 12th, 2005 3:46 pm:
she didn’t know he couldnt drive.. he lied to all of us about his age

 

So Joran could be the 5th suspect?  Well, now this is even better.  This thought came to me while watching the A&E special the other night. We have debated this before, but never actually talked too much about it because of the way we count suspects.

Mum I know this is against all you and I and a few others think, but let's look at it for a minute..

1. Mickey Johns
2. Abraham Jones
3. Deepak Kalpoe
4. Satish Klapoe
5 Joran van der Sloot


OK, now this could make sense if all the criteria are met...let's look at that also...

1. Boyfriend from earlier....played in casino...Natalee knew of him early on.
2. Scorned lover...
3. Cool and crazy guy....met in casino...

OK, that's where it ends for me...I would need to know about a party Joran hosted...and he left and others provided the alibi...OK...again...that doesn't work....NEXT...


and then you have Paulus...that did come to pick Joran up...it has been discussed that Paulus' alibi was his two kids Val and Sebastian.  I am still working on that one.  Several things fit nicely into this scenario and some things don't. It depends if you believe Simian was telling the truth or not.  If you believe everything Simian says or only what is convenient and works for your theory.  I guess I am back to the drawing board...again.

Lala's...I posted in Shango1 once that something I read made Joran sound like the boyfriend from earlier in the week. Just saw it and will find it for you.

Was Guido? a suspect early on...just because we didn't know..did Simian?

I remember your post...I was just thinking again...which isn't very often...it's that darn two guys...one a boyfriend...the other being jealous...and the party goers and the party and hosting a party....Guido was working that night...I know he got off work early that night...but still it was around 2 in the morning...so would Natalee have already been dead at that time?  How does the party come into it?  Why haven't we ever heard about the MB teens seeing Guido...they do describe a  Hawaiian looking guy...so that sends me back to Jaime.  Then again what does Hawaiian-looking mean?  Does Guido fit that description?  Just a lot of questions that never get answered.  If Guido was jealous of Joran and he killed Natalee..then nothing fits in Joran's beach story or the Kalpoes or pretty much anything...because if Guido committed the crime...Paulus would have made certain that Joran never took the blame. MOO