Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #23

[Red]

RED - if you don't mind me asking, what is your theory about how Caylee died?

Having covered and followed so many cases similar to this I would have first thought that "some thing bad happened" and it was an accidental death.  However, the reactions and actions of Casey, the family dynamic and the presence of chloroform in the trunk have made me back off of it being an accident. It would not be the first time that a mother claimed that a stranger took their child or car jacked their vehicle and killed their child only to find out that it was the mother. It's not a stretch as we have covered such stories.

This case has followed in many respects Joran Van der Sloot's mannerisms following the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. I am in the process of writing a FP post that compares and contrasts the two cases. As of the moment the only real contrast is the diligent effort on the part of the Orange County police and investigators as compared to the ALE.

The callus disregard and sociopathic tendencies of Casey really trouble me. Her lack of empathy and selfish behavior are troubling. Also, the fact that it would appear that she has that malicious gene to get even with her mother and father in any manner possible knowing that they cared for little Caylee, what seems to be more that her.

I am a firm believer in spontaneous utterances and when Cindy Anthony told the 911 operator that the trunk smelled like death, she knew what she was talking about. She knew at that moment in time, after not having seen her granddaughter for a month that Casey did something.

After reading court documents and listening to the interrogations, one thing among all others strikes me. The fact that she had created a lie and rehearsed it.

Innocent people do not need to lie. Also, accidents are explainable. They are not right, but they are explainable. Just as in the case of Natalee, there was a reason why JVDS felt the need to get rid of NH's body. That same motive in my opinion comes into play here. What mother would discard their baby's body? There would have to be a reason.

One only feels the need to get rid of a body, if one does not want others to see what specifically happened to that body.

[carpe noctem]

I do not know Carpe, it boggles the mind why he reported 2 piddly plastic gas cans. It wasn't for insurance purposes, unless he had paid his deductable and was el cheapo and wants to make a buck any way he can. Which is possible.

I had an idea... possibly he was making an excuse for his DNA showing up in the
back of Casey's trunk... he was setting the stage... for what they
might or might not soon discover?

DNA in the car would have been easy to explain away. After all, he was the one rotating tires and needed the chocky thing.

That is what I am saying, Shell. George's DNA is real easy to explain away
once you have his word that he has been fishing around in Casey's trunk.

[Bearlyhere]

Hi Red!

[Kristin]

LP: There is a William Waters who works at a Restaurant down the Street from Anthony. Somebody linked ZG thru a Laura Rose, trying to make it look like she had communication with Lee and Casey thru William Waters. Obviously, it was a ruse.........

I just typed that from the video and I still can't follow it!!! 

Well maybe that is because Nancy rarely lets anyone complete a sentence, let alone a thought.  MOO

I know if she would just be quite LP would tell everything he knows if anything at all

[higherhopes]

I'm not sure why people think the choroform is funny.  There was a large amount found in the trunk of Casey's car that also had decomposition and Caylee's DNA. 

JMO, I don't think they had gas cans filled with it, then reported it stolen.  Do you?

thats exactly what im saying he reported it stolen for so he could say he didnt put it in there...

[Kristin]

I'm not sure why people think the choroform is funny.  There was a large amount found in the trunk of Casey's car that also had decomposition and Caylee's DNA. 

JMO, I don't think they had gas cans filled with it, then reported it stolen.  Do you?

I don't know.  All I know is that there's no innocent reason for having chloroform in the trunk of that car with a decomposing body.  It's no laughing matter and I don't want to see page after page of jokes about it.

Ok well I am sorry I didn't think it was that big of a deal people crack jokes all day long about things.....

[klaasend]

RED - if you don't mind me asking, what is your theory about how Caylee died?

Having covered and followed so many cases similar to this I would have first thought that "some thing bad happened" and it was an accidental death.  However, the reactions and actions of Casey, the family dynamic and the presence of chloroform in the trunk have made me back off of it being an accident. It would not be the first time that a mother claimed that a stranger took their child or car jacked their vehicle and killed their child only to find out that it was the mother. It's not a stretch as we have covered such stories.

This case has followed in many respects Joran Van der Sloot's mannerisms following the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. I am in the process of writing a FP post that compares and contrasts the two cases. As of the moment the only real contrast is the diligent effort on the part of the Orange County police and investigators as compared to the ALE.

The callus disregard and sociopathic tendencies of Casey really trouble me. Her lack of empathy and selfish behavior are troubling. Also, the fact that it would appear that she has that malicious gene to get even with her mother and father in any manner possible knowing that they cared for little Caylee, what seems to be more that her.

I am a firm believer in spontaneous utterances and when Cindy Anthony told the 911 operator that the trunk smelled like death, she knew what she was talking about. She knew at that moment in time, after not having seen her granddaughter for a month that Casey did something.

After reading court documents and listening to the interrogations, one thing among all others strikes me. The fact that she had created a lie and rehearsed it.

Innocent people do not need to lie. Also, accidents are explainable. They are not right, but they are explainable. Just as in the case of Natalee, there was a reason why JVDS felt the need to get rid of NH's body. That same motive in my opinion comes into play here. What mother would discard their baby's body? There would have to be a reason.

One only feels the need to get rid of a body, if one does not want others to see what specifically happened to that body.

Nicely put and I agree 100%

[Red]

BTW ... I spoke with Tim Miller earlier this evening and he is OK. Flooded and damage to his property but he is OK. He has no power as most of Houston does not.

Many of the members of TES suffered damage to their homes from Hurricane Ike. Tim and the gang are trying their best to right their rocked world. However, amindst the chaos and destruction they found time to go to a nursing home and provide the residents with water and food.

Tim said they needed to regroup and take care of their family and homes before they could go out and begin further search efforts.

Just thought I would give you all an update.

[mytime]

RED - if you don't mind me asking, what is your theory about how Caylee died?

Having covered and followed so many cases similar to this I would have first thought that "some thing bad happened" and it was an accidental death.  However, the reactions and actions of Casey, the family dynamic and the presence of chloroform in the trunk have made me back off of it being an accident. It would not be the first time that a mother claimed that a stranger took their child or car jacked their vehicle and killed their child only to find out that it was the mother. It's not a stretch as we have covered such stories.

This case has followed in many respects Joran Van der Sloot's mannerisms following the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. I am in the process of writing a FP post that compares and contrasts the two cases. As of the moment the only real contrast is the diligent effort on the part of the Orange County police and investigators as compared to the ALE.

The callus disregard and sociopathic tendencies of Casey really trouble me. Her lack of empathy and selfish behavior are troubling. Also, the fact that it would appear that she has that malicious gene to get even with her mother and father in any manner possible knowing that they cared for little Caylee, what seems to be more that her.

I am a firm believer in spontaneous utterances and when Cindy Anthony told the 911 operator that the trunk smelled like death, she knew what she was talking about. She knew at that moment in time, after not having seen her granddaughter for a month that Casey did something.

After reading court documents and listening to the interrogations, one thing among all others strikes me. The fact that she had created a lie and rehearsed it.

Innocent people do not need to lie. Also, accidents are explainable. They are not right, but they are explainable. Just as in the case of Natalee, there was a reason why JVDS felt the need to get rid of NH's body. That same motive in my opinion comes into play here. What mother would discard their baby's body? There would have to be a reason.

One only feels the need to get rid of a body, if one does not want others to see what specifically happened to that body.

Nicely put and I agree 100%

Thnak you! IMO, your last sentence says it all.  Do you think she had an accomplice?

[klaasend]

I'm not sure why people think the choroform is funny.  There was a large amount found in the trunk of Casey's car that also had decomposition and Caylee's DNA. 

JMO, I don't think they had gas cans filled with it, then reported it stolen.  Do you?

I don't know.  All I know is that there's no innocent reason for having chloroform in the trunk of that car with a decomposing body.  It's no laughing matter and I don't want to see page after page of jokes about it.

Ok well I am sorry I didn't think it was that big of a deal people crack jokes all day long about things.....

To me that is like cracking a joke about how Caylee died and that's just not right. 

[Shell]

I do not know Carpe, it boggles the mind why he reported 2 piddly plastic gas cans. It wasn't for insurance purposes, unless he had paid his deductable and was el cheapo and wants to make a buck any way he can. Which is possible.

I had an idea... possibly he was making an excuse for his DNA showing up in the
back of Casey's trunk... he was setting the stage... for what they
might or might not soon discover?

DNA in the car would have been easy to explain away. After all, he was the one rotating tires and needed the chocky thing.

That is what I am saying, Shell. George's DNA is real easy to explain away
once you have his word that he has been fishing around in Casey's trunk.

That is the only explaination that makes sense.

[klaasend]

BTW ... I spoke with Tim Miller earlier this evening and he is OK. Flooded and damage to his property but he is OK. He has no power as most of Houston does not.

Many of the members of TES suffered damage to their homes from Hurricane Ike. Tim and the gang are trying their best to right their rocked world. However, amindst the chaos and destruction they found time to go to a nursing home and provide the residents with water and food.

Tim said they needed to regroup and take care of their family and homes before they could go out and begin further search efforts.

Just thought I would give you all an update.

It looks the many areas especially in the Galveston area were really hit hard with the flooding.

[wreck]

BTW ... I spoke with Tim Miller earlier this evening and he is OK. Flooded and damage to his property but he is OK. He has no power as most of Houston does not.

Many of the members of TES suffered damage to their homes from Hurricane Ike. Tim and the gang are trying their best to right their rocked world. However, amindst the chaos and destruction they found time to go to a nursing home and provide the residents with water and food.

Tim said they needed to regroup and take care of their family and homes before they could go out and begin further search efforts.

Just thought I would give you all an update.

Thank-you, Thank-you!  sometimes we all need to take a step back and simply look at the plain and simple evidence! It really is not so convoluted!

[marymary]

I'm not sure why people think the choroform is funny.  There was a large amount found in the trunk of Casey's car that also had decomposition and Caylee's DNA. 

JMO, I don't think they had gas cans filled with it, then reported it stolen.  Do you?

I don't know.  All I know is that there's no innocent reason for having chloroform in the trunk of that car with a decomposing body.  It's no laughing matter and I don't want to see page after page of jokes about it.

Sorry Klaas but sometimes this case is so frustrating that we have to laugh a little to keep our sanity.  It is no reflection on our true feelings.  I have gotten through many traumatic times using a little levity.  JMO

[mytime]

BTW ... I spoke with Tim Miller earlier this evening and he is OK. Flooded and damage to his property but he is OK. He has no power as most of Houston does not.

Many of the members of TES suffered damage to their homes from Hurricane Ike. Tim and the gang are trying their best to right their rocked world. However, amindst the chaos and destruction they found time to go to a nursing home and provide the residents with water and food.

Tim said they needed to regroup and take care of their family and homes before they could go out and begin further search efforts.

Just thought I would give you all an update.

Oh Thank you, that is so sad.  Tim and the team are the last people in the world that should to have to deal with this.  They help so many people and now there world has been "rocked."

[Shell]

BTW ... I spoke with Tim Miller earlier this evening and he is OK. Flooded and damage to his property but he is OK. He has no power as most of Houston does not.

Many of the members of TES suffered damage to their homes from Hurricane Ike. Tim and the gang are trying their best to right their rocked world. However, amindst the chaos and destruction they found time to go to a nursing home and provide the residents with water and food.

Tim said they needed to regroup and take care of their family and homes before they could go out and begin further search efforts.

Just thought I would give you all an update.

Thanks. I have lived in various cities in Texas, grew up there. I hear the beach where we spent our summers does not have any houses left. I imagine Tim has his plate full. Figures a man of his character would make time for others. A fine man.

[mytime]

I'm not sure why people think the choroform is funny.  There was a large amount found in the trunk of Casey's car that also had decomposition and Caylee's DNA. 

JMO, I don't think they had gas cans filled with it, then reported it stolen.  Do you?

I don't know.  All I know is that there's no innocent reason for having chloroform in the trunk of that car with a decomposing body.  It's no laughing matter and I don't want to see page after page of jokes about it.

Ok well I am sorry I didn't think it was that big of a deal people crack jokes all day long about things.....

To me that is like cracking a joke about how Caylee died and that's just not right. 

You are right!  But I would just like to say that I am leaning toward the chloroform as more of the cleaning agent. JMO

[sirensong]

I think with Nicole, it is also interesting that chloroform was found near the car. Considering Casey did a search for chloroform on her computer, I wonder if there is any connection.

I read everything I could find, and did not see anything about chloroform being found.  I think this is the story Casey and her parents cooked up.  If everyone did believe this, I guess Casey would be mother of the year for dropping "clues" and "protecting Caylee".  I don't believe it has anything to do with Caylee, except that Casey can try to use it as a theory to get off murder charges.

[Shell]

I am leaning towards the chloroform being a possible cause of death. I could be wrong but it gave me that "ut oh" feeling when the word surfaced.

[klaasend]

Nobody enjoys a little levity more than me

The chloroform in the vehicle was too pure to be what one would use for cleaning