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« on: September 15, 2008, 12:01:04 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2008, 10:27:19 AM »

Thanks SS.

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2008, 10:39:52 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2008, 10:43:42 AM »

I have posted in the Shango thread about the tapes where the 5th was supposedly seen with Natalee earlier in the week.  I have come to a conclusion that the tapes which show the 5th, are not the ones that we have seen with Paulass in the casino.  I believe that Elizabeth Cain did see Natalee with the 5th at the Holiday Inn bar.  Therefore, there are security tapes that we haven't seen.  We know that Holiday Inn security tapes exist because Beth went through the tapes when she first arrived at the Holiday Inn.  She was simultaneously on the phone with Natalee's Twitty cousins while they were describing Urine.  It was from looking through the Holiday Inn security tapes that Beth was able to identify Urine as the person who left C&Cs with Natalee, based on MB statements.  ALE must have the rest of the tapes which show what Elizabeth Cain saw on Sautrday.  These are most likely the tapes that the codetalkers refer to.

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I have also felt that there has to be more to Elizabeth's statement than the FBI released.  If Elizabeth stated that she had seen Natalee with a local man, the FBI would have asked for a description or a composite drawing.  Where is it?  They were taking the statement in Birmingham, so they would have had the ability to make a composite drawing.  Where are the HI tape and where is the description of the local man?  The FBI knows who he is!
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2008, 10:44:00 AM »

   TYTYYYYYY lolllll
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2008, 11:36:08 AM »

Thanks SS...I was locked out for a bit there.  The weather is not cooperating here today for some reason. LOL

OK...now to this 5th person...the codetalkers only had what was there at the time...so they would not know about those tapes...it was only Simian that had access to someone in ALE that told him that.  Depending on who that person was is how the information was relayed or it could all be a red herring...we probably will never know.
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2008, 11:43:02 AM »

Just an after thought...Cain only saw Natalee talking to an older man...does not say eating dinner with or in the casino with....just talking to at the bar area...so it could be absolutely nothing.  In fact, the FBI may have asked was it this person or that person and came to the conclusion it was not anyone of interest.  I have to admit the information from the FBI affidavits are sketchy at best.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2008, 11:59:37 AM »

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified. The gods are talking.

Shango seems to be saying that Dirty Hand (DTKM?) and the fallen judge (Paulass) are not the same person.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

[feels need to repeat himself]
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Canít deny it. Itís on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning. How can this ever be solved?


"Cool and crazy guy" could not be a description of Paulass.     It's on tape indicates to me that somewhere the 5th is on a tape with Natalee.  This is why I think that there are Holiday Inn tapes we haven't seen.  "After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same casino" indicates to me that this is probably when she met up with Urine.

"He has an airtight alibi.  Some friends say they were at home with him.  Until the morning".  Nobody that I know of said that they were at home with Paulass all night.  Max Arendsz and a few others, however, did provide an alibi for Lorenzo and said that they were at his house.  Lorenzo's girlfriend also provided an alibi that she was with him all night.

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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2008, 12:05:19 PM »

Klaas - are we out of order for bringing Shango stuff over here to the NH thread?  It seems to be connected to the discussion that is going on right now since the Diario articles, but if you want us to stop, please say so.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2008, 12:46:44 PM »

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified. The gods are talking.

Shango seems to be saying that Dirty Hand (DTKM?) and the fallen judge (Paulass) are not the same person.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

[feels need to repeat himself]
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Canít deny it. Itís on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning. How can this ever be solved?


"Cool and crazy guy" could not be a description of Paulass.     It's on tape indicates to me that somewhere the 5th is on a tape with Natalee.  This is why I think that there are Holiday Inn tapes we haven't seen.  "After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same casino" indicates to me that this is probably when she met up with Urine.

"He has an airtight alibi.  Some friends say they were at home with him.  Until the morning".  Nobody that I know of said that they were at home with Paulass all night.  Max Arendsz and a few others, however, did provide an alibi for Lorenzo and said that they were at his house.  Lorenzo's girlfriend also provided an alibi that she was with him all night.



Oh my!  There's that name again...Lorenzo.   Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2008, 12:58:00 PM »

Klaas - are we out of order for bringing Shango stuff over here to the NH thread?  It seems to be connected to the discussion that is going on right now since the Diario articles, but if you want us to stop, please say so.


Shhhhh!  Don't tell them...they will never know.
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2008, 01:17:22 PM »

Klaas - are we out of order for bringing Shango stuff over here to the NH thread?  It seems to be connected to the discussion that is going on right now since the Diario articles, but if you want us to stop, please say so.


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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2008, 02:08:02 PM »


nobody has seen natalee since she left C&C's with j2k.  j2k has done nothing but lie about what happened after they left C&C's.
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2008, 02:49:10 PM »

Has there been ANY reactions from Mos/ALE about the latest Diario articles?
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2008, 02:58:50 PM »

Has there been ANY reactions from Mos/ALE about the latest Diario articles?
Hi Wreck O/T - it was R-12!!!!   Tried to reach you in Caylee discussion but you are elusive.
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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2008, 03:03:50 PM »

Has there been ANY reactions from Mos/ALE about the latest Diario articles?
Hi Wreck O/T - it was R-12!!!!   Tried to reach you in Caylee discussion but you are elusive.
I saw it, but it was way back. I would not think R-12 was involved. It has been illegal to sell in stores for many, many years -- therefore, very expensive. There are much cheaper "highs" out there.
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2008, 03:06:41 PM »

Has there been ANY reactions from Mos/ALE about the latest Diario articles?
Hi Wreck O/T - it was R-12!!!!   Tried to reach you in Caylee discussion but you are elusive.
I saw it, but it was way back. I would not think R-12 was involved. It has been illegal to sell in stores for many, many years -- therefore, very expensive. There are much cheaper "highs" out there.
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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2008, 03:31:24 PM »

Has there been ANY reactions from Mos/ALE about the latest Diario articles?


I hear they're frantic trying to sweep everything under the rugs.  I wonder if they have the shredders working overtime.
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2008, 03:33:41 PM »

Hi Peaches!
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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2008, 04:19:01 PM »

Has there been ANY reactions from Mos/ALE about the latest Diario articles?


I hear they're frantic trying to sweep everything under the rugs.  I wonder if they have the shredders working overtime.

There is nothing left to shred..it was all removed before KJ left her post.  Mos has nothing to work with...contrary to what Richardson showed on the A&E show...that stuff is just fluff and no substance.  No way they would keep anything incriminating at this point.  It's like starting over after the hard drive is fried.  So much has been lost that it's almost impossible to make a case any longer.
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