Natalee Case Discussion #770 9/20/08 - 10/04/08

[SS]

Has there been ANY reactions from Mos/ALE about the latest Diario articles?

I hear they're frantic trying to sweep everything under the rugs.  I wonder if they have the shredders working overtime.

There is nothing left to shred..it was all removed before KJ left her post.  Mos has nothing to work with...contrary to what Richardson showed on the A&E show...that stuff is just fluff and no substance.  No way they would keep anything incriminating at this point.  It's like starting over after the hard drive is fried.  So much has been lost that it's almost impossible to make a case any longer.

I wonder if there are copies of any reports that were done on evidence at The Hague.  The Dutch must have some of the information.  The question is... will they release it or will they protect Aruba?????

[johan555]

read more: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraaf.nl%2Fvrouw%2F1946552%2F__Heidi_van_der_Eem_vertelt...__.html%3Fp%3D4%2C1&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en

AMSTERDAM -- Heidi Geerlings (30) is the girlfriend of Patrick van der river Eem (35). After he decided to concentrate on undercover Joran van der Sloot, to pay the entire world press on Patrick's past criminal dove, they tried the rest in her family to bring back.

 

"Patrick and I have each other ten years ago met in a disco in Arnhem where I worked as a dancer. Patrick did not work, but was in drug trafficking. I now fall at once naughty, bad men can not explain why. Before Patrick, I have also had a couple bad boyfriends and I also really love once tried to be a dead normal, very sweet boy who was in love with me, but I just do not succeed. He came to our home to eat, had six times to the toilet of the nerves, very cute, but I found him just not fun. I think the contrast in Patrick attracts me very much. That wrong in what he sat and occasionally still is the top drive again, and the homely, dear, the father to the other side. He was not like other friends who called or I to the latest cinema, no, just called Patrick and said: "We are going out, I get about an hour to retrieve." I like that. And does he now still. He likes to surprise me, let me often feel that he is overjoyed with me and we do many fun things together or with the children, Michelle and Jaden eight of two. Patrick is a good man. You also have bad men from a mistake and a family environment are wrong. Patrick is just a very good, warm nest. His character is good, but he is a naughty boy and very sensitive to stimuli. In several interviews he has unfortunately been rather leaky about his sex life of the past. For example, he once told him that night at McDonald's with three snollen lie on the counter has sliding. But I was one of those girls. The first half year courtship that we had, we have only and there was always a lot of drugs to pass. Then we went early morning to go home and went there often are two beautiful girls with blood. No, I was not that bad, because Patrick was my friend and I was so seriously at that time now is not with him. But when I was pregnant, we went to Aruba. When was that wild period immediately and he also no longer gedeald. That was a condition, otherwise I was with him gone.

Joran period

I have always known that we were not the typical torque. I work one day per week Prenatal with fourteen other women, but I would not want to exchange them. I hear my colleagues say that her husband at half past one night came home and that he now no longer provisional road may ... Well, Patrick is sometimes half past seven morning at home. I know girls with a Antillian and then go find and where to call their friend. Then I think: 'Hold on, tire your life there is not. You're a nice woman, have two children if he wants to go with someone else then surely that is their loss? "I do not let my life guided by the constant question of whether I'm nice enough. We were recently in Milan with the children on the street, there was a girl for us, beautiful, beautiful figure and Patrick said, "Oh girl yet, what are you doing with me." I feel no way offended, namely find myself pretty fun . Even later why we are on the road to the hotel by a Zone, jumped a prostitute for our car. That shocked me when she and the children also saw sitting there. Since Patrick and I really had to laugh. He said: 'Hey what faint, as best you can with the children to move back. What does that now. "We have a lot of fun together. The humor has also throughout the period around Joran towed. We lived just two weeks in a recreation in Arnhem when he learned Joran in the casino. In order three thirty at night, he was shaking me awake. "I've seen Joran, he did it and he will tell me." I do not believe in coincidence, it has to be fit. Joran Patrick is not going to find, but when he thought he saw him: "That is Me. "Joran The story will the rest of our lives but we continue. It is a kind of story loverboy. That kid looks so strong against Patrick. If he would call him now and say: 'That I have done good, huh? I got quite some money on reared and I have also what you get here? "Joran would go where he left off. Absolutely. Joran has during the broadcast with Patrick sit still and SMS. When he still could not believe that Patrick had geluisd him. He said simply: "What are you good, say!"

[Nut44x4]

Really quiet tonight. Logging off early. Be back in the morning.

[texasmom]

Thanks for bringing that over Johan!  Interesting article. 

[texasmom]

I don't remember seeing this article posted back in May, if it was I apologize.  I'd really like to know what it says if anyone stops in that can translate it.  TIA

May 9, 2008
Solo Di Pueblo

[CapsLockWizard]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified. The gods are talking.

Shango seems to be saying that Dirty Hand (DTKM?) and the fallen judge (Paulass) are not the same person.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

[feels need to repeat himself]
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning. How can this ever be solved?


"Cool and crazy guy" could not be a description of Paulass.     It's on tape indicates to me that somewhere the 5th is on a tape with Natalee.  This is why I think that there are Holiday Inn tapes we haven't seen.  "After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same casino" indicates to me that this is probably when she met up with Urine.

"He has an airtight alibi.  Some friends say they were at home with him.  Until the morning".  Nobody that I know of said that they were at home with Paulass all night.  Max Arendsz and a few others, however, did provide an alibi for Lorenzo and said that they were at his house.  Lorenzo's girlfriend also provided an alibi that she was with him all night.

Oh my!  There's that name again...Lorenzo.   

Lorenzo girl frined is lieing.

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares (where and to Who?) that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy(lorenzo) really mad. So mad he confronts second boy (Joran).
First guy (lorenzo) never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him (First guy=Lorenzo). Until the morning. How can this ever be solved?

it is all in the wording.?

[calico]

Hello everybody!  I haven't been around in a long time.  I just wanted to post an observation about the new witness from Aruba.  I believe what he is saying is true, not just because of the the polygraph tests.  I don't know if anybody else made the connection, but the man says Joran was wearing a red shirt, he could see it under the street light.  If you look back at the video of Nat and Joran in the casino, it's pretty clear that Joran is wearing a white shirt.  Joran had to have gone home and that's probably where he took Natalee.  Once something happened to her, he might have been looking for a place to ditch the body.  That might have been what they were doing out at 4 in the morning.  Just my opinion of course, but it makes my head spin that's for sure.

[Poochy]

While it's somewhat quiet on this board, here's some other Joran in blue plaid shirt pics. It took me all this time to find them and post them ... so sorry for being a few pages behind.  See the red color on Joran's shirt.








The (answer lies on the whispering wind) "STAIRWAY" into the cave (cRAVE) perhaps?:

[CapsLockWizard]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified. The gods are talking.

Shango seems to be saying that Dirty Hand (DTKM?) and the fallen judge (Paulass) are not the same person.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

[feels need to repeat himself]
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning. How can this ever be solved?


"Cool and crazy guy" could not be a description of Paulass.     It's on tape indicates to me that somewhere the 5th is on a tape with Natalee.  This is why I think that there are Holiday Inn tapes we haven't seen.  "After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same casino" indicates to me that this is probably when she met up with Urine.

"He has an airtight alibi.  Some friends say they were at home with him.  Until the morning".  Nobody that I know of said that they were at home with Paulass all night.  Max Arendsz and a few others, however, did provide an alibi for Lorenzo and said that they were at his house.  Lorenzo's girlfriend also provided an alibi that she was with him all night.

Oh my!  There's that name again...Lorenzo.   

Lorenzo girl frined is lieing.

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares (where and to Who?) that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy(lorenzo) really mad. So mad he confronts second boy (Joran).
First guy (lorenzo) never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him (First guy=Lorenzo). Until the morning. How can this ever be solved?

it is all in the wording.?

looiking the statements, there is still a posibility and that is in the wording " Some Friends"

"Some Friend" good be the first guy since it is him that say he was with Lorenzo the whole night.

That leave this question open "who said that thy were with lorenzo"

Find him and you got the "Guy"

The "Boy" we know already

my bet "Max Arendz"

[bc73]

Caps,have you seen Max Arends myspace?I;m sure you have,lol... www.myspace.com/chebeleb
The usual similiar signs and looks of a bunch of womanizing creeps...If the link doesnt work, use Max Arends in the find people,and it will pop. 

[CapsLockWizard]

Has there been ANY reactions from Mos/ALE about the latest Diario articles?

I hear they're frantic trying to sweep everything under the rugs.  I wonder if they have the shredders working overtime.

They can but too late.....

the cd's

I here they are lloking for an New IT Man? wonder what happend

[carpe noctem]

Sep 20, 2008


RE: MY open letter to mrs. Beth Twitty

Hallo bigjuicykunfu


In the Kingdom of the Netherlands the justice system is corrupt, because the head of state queen Beatrix and the prime minister Balkenende support corruption and crimes against humanity!

I well come you to my open letter to mrs. Beth Twitty

tell a friend to visite my "Open letter to mrs. Beth Twitty " on moth oktober 2008 eight i willbe at tv spain about corruption in the kingdom of netherlands and about natalee holloway


Regards carlos severino tromp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDX0GSWDqwo

 

[Poochy]

from the night in question:


And another blue plaid shirt:

[always 1]

And he has a t-shirt under it!!

[hotping]

Sep 20, 2008


RE: MY open letter to mrs. Beth Twitty

Hallo bigjuicykunfu


In the Kingdom of the Netherlands the justice system is corrupt, because the head of state queen Beatrix and the prime minister Balkenende support corruption and crimes against humanity!

I well come you to my open letter to mrs. Beth Twitty

tell a friend to visite my "Open letter to mrs. Beth Twitty " on moth oktober 2008 eight i willbe at tv spain about corruption in the kingdom of netherlands and about natalee holloway


Regards carlos severino tromp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDX0GSWDqwo

 

Thanks Carpe! 

[MumInOhio]

Freddy or Lorenzo?...Locoman, Alibi so Tight.

Max Arendz/Arends...

Scuba defends both Freddy and Max Arends, rumored to be related to Jossy.

Caps says Arends in Shango, Arendz here


Carpe...I couldn't get that Youtube to open.

[hotping]

Hey TM and Hotshot! I just wanted to say Good Night! 

[MumInOhio]

Seems even Carlos is confused!

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #756 6/5 -
« Reply #309 on: June 06, 2008, 06:53:09 PM »
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Quote from: johan555 on June 06, 2008, 06:50:27 PM
Like what you did to Eduardo Matthew?
Refunjol must fall. Then all fall. He is DirtyHand.
Dirty Hand is possibly even Shango
who is Refunjol ?
Fredis......the governor

Posted by: CARLOS SEVERINO TROMP | June 12, 2008 at 04:16 PM

[wreck]

Hello all -- and goodnight!! 

[texasmom]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/03/lt.02.html

CNN LIVE TODAY

Missing Teen; Human Trafficking

Aired June 3, 2005 - 11:32   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: Updating you now on a story out of Aruba, police there say the disappearance of an Alabama teenager is looking more like a crime. The FBI has joined the search for 18-year- old Natalee Holloway of Mountain Brook. She disappeared on the last night of an island trip to celebrate her high school graduation. Friends say Holloway was last seen Monday just before dawn getting into a vehicle outside the nightclub.
And we have with us right now on the phone Jan Straten, the police commissioner of Aruba.

Mr. Commissioner, thank you.

JAN STRATEN, ARUBA POLICE COMMISSIONER: Good morning.

KAGAN: What can you tell us about the latest on the search for this American teenager, Natalee Holloway?

STRATEN: Yes, you know, the last day we searched on all places on Aruba. Yesterday, we had a big search with the Dutch marine, and with helicopters, the coast guards. Still we haven't found the girl.

We are busy with the investigation team, and you will understand that I can't tell you a lot of the results of the investigation. That's the update still now.

KAGAN: The last we heard or the last big clue is that she was seen leaving this nightclub getting in a car with three men. You've been able to talk to those -- the people who you believe were those three men?

STRATEN: Yes. We find them and we talked with them, the witnesses, three young boys, they went to school too. And we talked with them and we -- obviously with the investigation around them too.

KAGAN: And they say, as I understand -- and tell me if I have this correctly -- they say that they were with Natalee, but they dropped her back off at her hotel.

STRATEN: Yes, that's true. They dropped the girl by the hotel about two o'clock in the morning on Monday morning.

KAGAN: I know her parents have arrived there in Aruba and they're trying to help and encourage the search.

How hopeful are you to them? How encouraging are you to them that they're going to find their daughter alive at this point?

STRATEN: You know, in the first days you are very hopeful, but the longer it takes, the longer you are afraid for a crime. I hope that you understand that. And that's the reason why the investigating team started thinking at the beginning of not only to find her, but thinking maybe she is a victim of a crime.

So the longer it takes we have her, we found her, the longer -- more we are thinking in the direction of a crime.

KAGAN: And is it more than just time that's making you go toward thinking that it's a crime, or are there other clues and information that you're not able to share with us at this point?

STRATEN: Yes, that's the point. I would like to say it, but I'm not able to say it at this moment.

KAGAN: I understand. The last thing we want to do is compromise the investigation and the search for Natalee Holloway.

Mr. Commissioner, thank you for your time, and we wish you well in your search.

STRATEN: OK. Thank you very much.

KAGAN: That's Jan Straten, he's the police commissioner for Aruba searching for 18-year-old Natalee Holloway on a high school graduation trip out of Alabama. She disappeared and has not been seen since Monday. We'll continue to bring you the latest on that story as well.

snip


HE KNEW!

And he also KNEW WHO the guilty were...and it wasn't the security guards they arrested two days later.