Natalee Case Discussion #770 9/20/08 - 10/04/08

[EURobert]

Hi Monks,

Have you already seen this picture?

http://tinyurl.com/3ob7fl

It says: 'Joran has a second job... At Bangkoks daynursery'

Greets

[johan555]

Hi Monks,

Have you already seen this picture?

http://tinyurl.com/3ob7fl

It says: 'Joran has a second job... At Bangkoks daynursery'

Greets

[always 1]

Is that really him????

[EURobert]

Forgot to say:
Below the picture it says:

'Children some days later, have vanished...'

http://tinyurl.com/3ob7fl

[johan555]

Hi Monks,

Have you already seen this picture?

http://tinyurl.com/3ob7fl

It says: 'Joran has a second job... At Bangkoks daynursery'

Greets

it's a photoshoped pic

[klaasend]

Looks photoshopped to me as well.  I'm going to take a closer look at that pic 

[dennisintn]

imo, this announcement every year is to placate the tourism business about their high season.  it's a talking point to assure everyone that aruba's finest is still hard at work trying to solve the case and put j2k in jail where they belong.
dennisintn

[Lala'sMom]

Does anyone remember where we got the 4 AM ATM story?  Is it credible?  TIA

[klaasend]

I think it's photoshopped:

[Ree]

Does anyone remember where we got the 4 AM ATM story?  Is it credible?  TIA

The first time I heard 4AM was Beth stating that Paulus told them he picked Joran up at 4AM the night Natalee disappeared.  There was also a news article that came out after Paulus was denied his money.  I think I remember something in there confirming that witnesses verified what Beth stated.  I don't think it was the same one referenced with the two contacts, but I'll see what I can find.

[Nut44x4]

imo, this announcement every year is to placate the tourism business about their high season.  it's a talking point to assure everyone that aruba's finest is still hard at work trying to solve the case and put j2k in jail where they belong.
dennisintn

[Lala'sMom]

Does anyone remember where we got the 4 AM ATM story?  Is it credible?  TIA

The first time I heard 4AM was Beth stating that Paulus told them he picked Joran up at 4AM the night Natalee disappeared.  There was also a news article that came out after Paulus was denied his money.  I think I remember something in there confirming that witnesses verified what Beth stated.  I don't think it was the same one referenced with the two contacts, but I'll see what I can find.

Thank you.  I would love to see the news article that says 4 AM.

[Nut44x4]

That is correct Ree, I will look too.

[johan555]

I think it's photoshopped:

not only there klaas 

[Nut44x4]

Here is what Beth said on Greta>>>>
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: I think I just saw specific little details that just have started eating me alive just, I mean, from details of that first night, when we met Joran and Paul and Deepak, you know, just little details that have been eating away at me on this pick-up time at McDonald's, you know, Paul van der Sloot stated specifically and emphatically he picked them up at 4 a.m. I have it documented in my journal too many times to know that...

VAN SUSTEREN: At 11 p.m.?

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: No, he told us 4 a.m.

GEORGE "JUG" TWITTY: To start with.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: To start with. And then, you know, I noticed when you and I went to his home, do you know that was the first time that he had ever changed it to 11 p.m.?

VAN SUSTEREN: But before then, it had been 4 a.m., but then with us, it's 11 p.m.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Yes, 4 a.m. on May 31, he stated — I documented in my journal — that he stated to the police spokesperson that he picked Joran up at 4 a.m. Again, on June 17, I have it documented in my journal that they were going to question Paul that day about the 4 a.m. pick-up. And then it changed. That's why I was so shocked that day that you and I went to his home. That was the first time that he had changed to it 11 p.m., to the 29th. So that's just one example of many little details that are just driving me crazy now that I'm back home.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164506,00.html

will see if I can find it in any 'news' report

[Nut44x4]

A. BETH TWITTY CLAIMS - PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT DENIES

Beth has claimed from day one that Paulus Van der Sloot stated on the morning of May 31, 2005 in front of his residence that he had driven to McDonalds at 4:00 AM on the morning that Natalee went missing to pick up Joran and ?. This info was recorded in her journal, and witnessed by all others at the Van der Sloot residence that night. Within two and half weeks of that encounter, Paulus Van der Sloot denied Beth's claims and insisted that he had stated that he had picked up Joran at 11:00 PM on the evening of Mar 29, 2005.

Beth Twitty - NANCY GRACE (CNN)
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Oh -- oh, it`s a very critical detail. And the night that we arrived on the island -- you know, Jug does not misinterpret a 4:00 AM time pickup to 11:00 PM. I mean, Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.

Beth Twitty - 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
TWITTY: ...... And, you know, what Jug and I had discussed last night was that, you know, we go back to the very beginning. And that‘s the reason why Paulus Van Der Sloot was arrested in connection with Natalee‘s disappearance, because he had lied to the authorities by saying that he had changed his pickup time.

Paulus Van der Sloot - June 23, 2005 - Suspect Statement
To your question whether I picked up Joran on the 30th of May 2005, in the early morning hours, I can state the following. I have previously stated that I had picked up Joran on Sunday May 29th at approximately 23.00 hours near Mc Donalds. Subsequently I woke up at that Monday morning at approximately 05.45 hours. In the hours between I had gone to sleep and I did not hear Joran leaving or hear him return home.
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007_04_01_archive.html

[LoRain]

I got the "willies" thinking about Joran working with kids....I sure hope that's a doctored photo....I wish these blankety-blank people would quit messing around with pics....

[klaasend]

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[texasmom]

Does anyone remember where we got the 4 AM ATM story?  Is it credible?  TIA

I'm thinking there was a report about a security guard seeing Paulus at the ATM at 4 AM.

I haven't come across it yet, but I'll keep looking.

I did come across this post by *******, so there were probably other witnesses to it.  Hopefully their statements made it into the case file.

[Buckeye]

dugo's translation of the Dutch legal form (not Paulus's lawyers interpretation):

dugo  Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:47 pm
Translating Dutch legalese is a bitch, here is a dugofish version.

Paying attention to the deceitful declaration the son of Paulus, Johan A. P. van de Sloot (hereafter Joran), initially made about his last contact with the on May 30th missing Natalee Holloway the suspicion was not unreasonable that he made himself guilty towards her of behaviour that might be classified as murder, manslaughter or theft of freedom with death as result.

The possible involvement of Paulus in this could, at that time, be inferred from the the PVs of witness declarations in the file of which two suggest personal contact between Paulus and Natalee Holloway in the night of her disappearance and a wiretap report (which are shown by the temporary attorney general in end note 1 of the note handed over at session of the court).

The wiretap report and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee at McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to Holiday Inn were clearly seen by the prosecution office - and could have been seen so according to judgment of the court - as an indication of involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.



doc wrote:
Thanks dugo - that is fairly close to what SM's translation says. Lazlo says that is not the actual court ruling though. Did you see the article she posted?

dugo  Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:54 pm
The only clue of the origins is that this is clearly written by a court. Looks like a snippet.

No 4am, but there could be more.