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« Reply #380 on: September 23, 2008, 01:37:06 AM »

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21   Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -  on: May 14, 2008, 01:26:56 PM 
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.   
All the best
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If they didn't search the pond, who did?


They did search the pond on otfer of Hans Mos. Hans even give Order to DOW. (department of Public work) to clean it up and to put a chain around the entrance with a sing saying "No Traspassing " "Verboeden Toegang"

Now after the side scan, John was coordinating with the the OM and ALE to arrange to Pump it emty, but the OM did not lift a finger.
then the OM put a sign and make it prohibid to go to the area.
then when it was dried, the OM stop all activities that where scheduled on the scoccer field and moved them to other fields.
then in the wee hours in the mornings for 3 nights the light where on and from good source the message was clear, it is being search when everyone was as sleep.

Then the ligths never came on anymore. and the soccer ares is almost not used.

hope to clear this fact up.




Hi Caps.  How to explain this statement by OE also.  Contradicts the other post:

 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #752 5-15-08  on: May 16, 2008, 08:59:01 AM

I'll try to clarify a few points. Nice pics by the way.
- The pond was searched because of a promising lead we received.
- We were able to conduct the scanning sonar (not to be confused with side scan sonar) search of the pond because of some weather related down time during the ocean search.
- My analysis of the sonar was used to 1) show that the pond needed to be drained in opposed to be investigated with divers.  The only way to effectively search the pond would be if it were dry. 2) show that there were objects in the pond aside from tires.  I'm not commenting on what these objects could be because I'm not speculating.  I will say that I at least saw tires (I saw a pic of one somewhere) in the scanning sonar.
- The reason the pond search was so delayed was on account of the labor strike.  The pond needed to be completely drained which needed the help of the Polis and fire department.  Needless to say labor was needed and hard to come by.  When the strike ended the pond search happened almost immediately.
- No one said the 40-52 (whatever) investigators from Holland ever stepped foot in or near the pond.  The timing is coincident.  Did anyone see these investigators anywhere near the pond?  I don't think so.     

I hope that cleared up more questions that it raises.

The people that came from holland to do the investigation was on a run of the other possible areas that they might have gone (the Kapoes) and where on these 4 wheelers used by the Polis Department. The ALE who provided the info was with them and his job was to show them arround.

The pond had tires, fridge and bottles alot of debries in it. When the water was left to the center, I wnet to see it but could not walk on the moth since is was still sticking to shoes end was very soft. there where a lot of debries but one can not just walk to the center where there was still water.

When It dried up, I called John and let him know that it is all dried up and that that he need to come down to see it for himslef and he did come doen but left in 2 days.

Then came the investigators from Hollands and after that, Mos give order to clean it up.

I went to to look at it and to my surprise it was cleaned up but one can see also that they replaced some area with fresh sands. The are in question is near the 2 black large tubes. They have not clean it completly, there was still a large tire and some other debires and those where at the other end of the pond, the shallow area.

when you examine the whole pond, it is in these dry clay formations like a tiles and one can see the areas that was distrubed. Otherthing, where is the debries that was in there dumped, nobody knows when asked asked.

The excuese was it needed to be clean in prepartion for the huracain season, I check all the others that where also dried up but was never cleaned.

so that sums it up

I never met with John when he came. but he did met with the Withness.

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« Reply #381 on: September 23, 2008, 01:46:54 AM »


Thanks J45!  The report of this new witness has hit the news in the Netherlands!

"Joran and father efforts together '
by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses

A new and potentially important witness in the case of Natalee Holloway in the U.S. has declared that he father, Paul van der Sloot and son Joran during the night of the disappearance under suspicious circumstances together saw. The public prosecutor in Aruba wants the declaration as soon as possible to involve the investigation.

The statement is contrary to that of the father and son, who claim that night that they have had no contact. According to prosecutor Hans Mos is the statement in March this year made. "The man was heard by a private investigation. It is he more subject to a polygraph test, a lie detector."

The witness saw on the evening of disappearance a young man walking past his house. It struck him that he wore a shoe and a shirt was muddy. Then passed a red road, with a man of middle age. He recognized them as Paul and Joran van der Sloot.

Lake

Both came from the direction of the hotel where Natalee Holloway disappeared. The pair would then have gone to a lake, Montserrat Pont. This lake was previously investigated by police for possible traces. Although it was searched with sonar, no trace of a human body.

Mos: "These things witness has stated that he was not raised. Also a number of things contrary to a previous reading in front of the police. I got the statement in its entirety called but so far I have not received it yet . " According to the witness he would police and the judiciary is not fully informed, because he seriously doubted whether they want to solve the case. The lie detector test with nevertheless pointed out that the witness is telling the truth, if confirmed Mos. "He has voluntarily cooperated with, so I understand."

"The statement is not proof that the case is about," said the officer. "But we want him happy, especially because there are other things to be said than the witness has told the police. The private detectives were hired by the father of Natalee. I would get the declaration, but at the last consultations were we anyway. "

Conclusion

Justice wants to end this year the investigation into the disappearance for the second time finish. Last year that happened, but the case was reopened after Peter R. de Vries in his crime program with pictures came from an undercover operation in which Joran van der Sloot her body known to have dumped into the sea. These statements appear to be not legally valid as evidence.

According to the new witness would be the body of the American girl suspected of having been hidden in the lake on the island. Joran van der Sloot, who is studying in the Netherlands had resumed since the broadcast fled to Asia. Father Paul van der Sloot wanted last night not comment on the story of the witness.
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« Reply #382 on: September 23, 2008, 01:47:27 AM »


excerpt from october 2008 Vanity Fair article
re the arrest of  Raffaello Follieri
(actress Anne Hathaway's former boyfriend)
on fraud/money laundering charges:

... The Yucaipa suit crippled the joint venture. It also killed the foundation ... and it left Follieri scrambling for new investors before the whole house of cards collapsed.

Now, in search of a white knight, Follieri turned to Joe Tacopina, a well-known criminal-defense lawyer who counted ex-New York police commissioner Bernie Kerik among his clients. (This was in the halycon days before Tacopina chose to testify about Kerik to prosecutors.) Tacopina mentioned to Kerik that he had a new client, Follieri, who was in need of an investment partner with $100 million to spare. Kerik found one: Plainfield Asset Management, a hedge-fund sponsor in Greenwich, Connecticut.

The initial plan was for the two men - Kerik and Tacopina - to share a finder's fee of $1.5 million from Follieri, and perhaps split an additional fee from Plainfield. But those plans soon went awry. On October 5, 2007, Tacopina signed an agreement with the Follieri Group to receive $2.5 million as a finder's fee for himself alone. Correspondence provided to Vanity Fair shows Kerik was in the dark about the terms of the deal for weeks afterward, asking Tacopina - his lawyer, after all - not to let Follieri double-cross him by denying him his half of the finder's fee.

Like a lot of successful criminal-defense lawyers, Tacopina has a tough-guy charm that works on nearly everyone - particularly tabloid reporters. One of the reasons he was hired was to help spin the story of the Burkle lawsuit so it didn't splatter too much mud on Follieri. The two italians formed an instant bond, and soon Follieri was sending him business ideas, just as he'd done with Doug Band. One was to buy the AS Roma soccer team, in Italy. According to one former Follieri Group insider, someone in Follieri's family knew the family that owned the team, and hoped Tacopina could find investors. But, says the insider, Follieri soon felt that Tacopina was going behind his back to deal with the owners himself. Tacopina's version is that he had the contacts to do the deal and that Follieri was working against him. Either way, the two men soon had a falling-out.

For Follieri, such fallings-out had consequences. His arrogance as a boss had alienated a number of staffers. Now three of them decamped - to rent office space from Tacopina and start a competing real-estate firm to buy Catholic Church properties.

... Monday, June 23, less than 24 hours before Follieri's arrest, an intriguing conversation occurred between Tacopina and a lawyer named Alan Friedman, hired by Plainfield to help settle Follieri's debts so the new Plainfield-Follieri joint venture could get underway. For months, Tacopina had been pushing for his finder's fee. Friedman had already pointed out to him that because Plainfield had committed only a small fraction of the $100 million, the finder's fee - if Tacopina was owed one at all - should be a lot smaller than the one he had in mind. Friedman proposed $500,000 up front, and $500,000 in six months, according to a source close to the negotiations. Tacopina, says Friedman, rejected the deal. Tacopina's version is that he told Friedman to forget it - forget the whole thing. "I'm legally entitled to it," Tacopina allegedly said. "But forget it."

That's not Friedman's recollection: he recalls that Tacopina wanted the whole finder's free upfront. After all, Tacopina told Friedman, "How do we know he's even going to be around in a few months?"


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« Reply #383 on: September 23, 2008, 02:20:18 AM »

@Klaasend

The Kalpoe brothers nor Paulus van der Sloot were involved in the killing of Natalee Holloway and the disposing of her body.
The lying story of this 'new' witness is made to frame Paulus again.
Even an 'Emmy' award for another lying story.

Horror and laughter here.


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« Reply #384 on: September 23, 2008, 02:25:01 AM »


Lala's:

the late-night/middle-of-the-night ATM info
came from Geraldo

one night in june 2005 he mentioned four things
he'd been told "right over there" ...
gesturing over his shoulder to a nearby streetcorner:

the underage-girl gang bang video
that JvdS drove one of the more tricked-out cars on the eiland
that JvdS had lines of credit in the casinos
the ATM withdrawals


Geraldo left the eiland quite soon thereafter
and the mis-informers chattered that he'd gone too far
w/ his usual far-out reporting this time
and had been pulled off Fox's coverage of the case

but in reality he left to take pre-arranged time off:
a yachting race followed by paternity leave

2005 Merion-Bermuda Cruising Yacht Race
24-Jun-05

Yacht: VOYAGER
Captain: Geraldo Rivera
Design: S&S 70 Custom
Rig: Ketch
Class: A
http://www.marionbermuda.com/documents/MBRClass.pdf

Geraldo Rivera and Erica Levy welcomed daughter Solita Liliana August 2005
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0729273/bio

the video/lines of credit info was later proven correct ...
and surely JvdS drove (Deepak's car) as well,
whether or not he was of legal driving age/was licensed

which leaves only the ATM info "unproven" ...
so Geraldo was 4 for 4/batting 1000

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« Reply #385 on: September 23, 2008, 03:10:25 AM »

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« Reply #386 on: September 23, 2008, 05:01:22 AM »

Has joran a visible income at the moment ?

Peter r d Vries is a real Pittbull, he never give up any case
He spend 40 broadcasts  about the Puttense murder case
He wil find more and more about the fam vd Sloot and "his"henchmen!


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« Reply #387 on: September 23, 2008, 05:16:50 AM »



Jonathan45...There are pics of Moko at this link. I think that is what you were looking for the other day.

Posted by Pita...Courtesy of Kermit...Reply 173

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1911.msg254875#msg254875


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« Reply #388 on: September 23, 2008, 05:25:40 AM »


Lala's:

the late-night/middle-of-the-night ATM info
came from Geraldo

one night in june 2005 he mentioned four things
he'd been told "right over there" ...
gesturing over his shoulder to a nearby streetcorner:

the underage-girl gang bang video
that JvdS drove one of the more tricked-out cars on the eiland
that JvdS had lines of credit in the casinos
the ATM withdrawals


Geraldo left the eiland quite soon thereafter
and the mis-informers chattered that he'd gone too far
w/ his usual far-out reporting this time
and had been pulled off Fox's coverage of the case

but in reality he left to take pre-arranged time off:
a yachting race followed by paternity leave

2005 Merion-Bermuda Cruising Yacht Race
24-Jun-05

Yacht: VOYAGER
Captain: Geraldo Rivera
Design: S&S 70 Custom
Rig: Ketch
Class: A
http://www.marionbermuda.com/documents/MBRClass.pdf

Geraldo Rivera and Erica Levy welcomed daughter Solita Liliana August 2005
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0729273/bio

the video/lines of credit info was later proven correct ...
and surely JvdS drove (Deepak's car) as well,
whether or not he was of legal driving age/was licensed

which leaves only the ATM info "unproven" ...
so Geraldo was 4 for 4/batting 1000

 Wink




Hi Finngirl...What a great memory!

IIRC the porn video was told by Geraldo on June 14th, so if all 4 were the same night that would be the date. Harry Tho would later admit that Geraldo was right on that one.

A week or so earlier on the FP Jairo was already telling posters to get their news from MSNBC as they had a partner station on the island who did great investigative reporting.

The push was on that early to discredit Fox and CNN...Remember the arrest of 6/11...happened...for something else....and then never happened. This was reported by both CNN and the AP.

JMO...Freddy or Lorenzo 
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« Reply #389 on: September 23, 2008, 05:47:41 AM »

Telegraaf
John van den Heuvel en Bert Huisjes

Holloway in the U.S. has declared that he father, Paul van der Sloot and son Joran during the night of the disappearance under suspicious circumstances together saw. The public prosecutor in Aruba wants the declaration as soon as possible to involve the investigation.

The statement is contrary to that of the father and son, who claim that night that they have had no contact. According to prosecutor Hans Mos is the statement in March this year made. "The man was heard by a private investigation. It is he more subject to a polygraph test, a lie detector."

The witness saw on the evening of disappearance a young man walking past his house. It struck him that he wore a shoe and a shirt was muddy. Then passed a red road, with a man of middle age. He recognized them as Paul and Joran van der Sloot.

Lake

Both came from the direction of the hotel where Natalee Holloway disappeared. The pair would then have gone to a lake, Montserrat Pont. This lake was previously investigated by police for possible traces. Although it was searched with sonar, no trace of a human body.

Mos: "These things witness has stated that he was not raised. Also a number of things contrary to a previous reading in front of the police. I got the statement in its entirety called but so far I have not received it yet . " According to the witness he would police and the judiciary is not fully informed, because he seriously doubted whether they want to solve the case. The lie detector test with nevertheless pointed out that the witness is telling the truth, if confirmed Mos. "He has voluntarily cooperated with, so I understand."

"The statement is not proof that the case is about," said the officer. "But we want him happy, especially because there are other things to be said than the witness has told the police. The private detectives were hired by the father of Natalee. I would get the declaration, but at the last consultations were we anyway. "

Conclusion

Justice wants to end this year the investigation into the disappearance for the second time finish. Last year that happened, but the case was reopened after Peter R. de Vries in his crime program with pictures came from an undercover operation in which Joran van der Sloot her body known to have dumped into the sea. These statements appear to be not legally valid as evidence.

According to the new witness would be the body of the American girl suspected of having been hidden in the lake on the island. Joran van der Sloot, who is studying in the Netherlands had resumed since the broadcast fled to Asia. Father Paul van der Sloot wanted last night not comment on the story of the witness
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« Reply #390 on: September 23, 2008, 05:49:39 AM »


Emmy for Dutch Natalee Holloway report

Tuesday 23 September 2008

TV crime reporter Peter R de Vries has won the international Emmy award for best current affairs programme for his investigation into the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba in 2005.

The show, screened on Dutch tv in February, featured secret recordings of the main suspect, Dutch teenager Joran van der Sloot talking about how Holloway died and how he got a friend to dump her body at sea.

Almost half the Dutch population watched the programme. The show, or fragments from it, was also broadcast in the US.

De Vries accepted the award at a glittering ceremony in New York on Monday together with Natalee’s mother Beth. They dedicated it to the memory of the dead girl.

‘This is the prize of prizes,’ De Vries is reported as saying. ‘You only win this once.’

Investigation nears end

Meanwhile, the Volkskrant reports that the police investigation into Van der Sloot’s role in the disappearance of Holloway will be completed at the end of this year.

He has twice been arrested and released because of a lack of evidence.

During the programme, Van der Sloot tells Patrick van der Eem, who was working for De Vries, that the girl was completely drunk and died while they were on the beach.

A spokesman for the Aruban justice department has told the Volkskrant that the authorities will decide by the end of 2009 if there is enough evidence to prosecute Van der Sloot.

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« Reply #391 on: September 23, 2008, 06:56:35 AM »

Not sure if anyone has posted this already...

Apparently, Koen and Sander are both still in GA and attending Gainesville State.
http://ezleagues.ezfacility.com/team.aspx?team_id=341980

Vms...Thanks!

Appears they have a game today...Can anyone make it? 
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« Reply #393 on: September 23, 2008, 07:55:28 AM »

From Oceanexplorer...

21   Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -  on: May 14, 2008, 01:26:56 PM 
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.   
All the best
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If they didn't search the pond, who did?


They did search the pond on otfer of Hans Mos. Hans even give Order to DOW. (department of Public work) to clean it up and to put a chain around the entrance with a sing saying "No Traspassing " "Verboeden Toegang"

Now after the side scan, John was coordinating with the the OM and ALE to arrange to Pump it emty, but the OM did not lift a finger.
then the OM put a sign and make it prohibid to go to the area.
then when it was dried, the OM stop all activities that where scheduled on the scoccer field and moved them to other fields.
then in the wee hours in the mornings for 3 nights the light where on and from good source the message was clear, it is being search when everyone was as sleep.

Then the ligths never came on anymore. and the soccer ares is almost not used.

hope to clear this fact up.




Hi Caps.  How to explain this statement by OE also.  Contradicts the other post:

 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #752 5-15-08  on: May 16, 2008, 08:59:01 AM

I'll try to clarify a few points. Nice pics by the way.
- The pond was searched because of a promising lead we received.
- We were able to conduct the scanning sonar (not to be confused with side scan sonar) search of the pond because of some weather related down time during the ocean search.
- My analysis of the sonar was used to 1) show that the pond needed to be drained in opposed to be investigated with divers.  The only way to effectively search the pond would be if it were dry. 2) show that there were objects in the pond aside from tires.  I'm not commenting on what these objects could be because I'm not speculating.  I will say that I at least saw tires (I saw a pic of one somewhere) in the scanning sonar.
- The reason the pond search was so delayed was on account of the labor strike.  The pond needed to be completely drained which needed the help of the Polis and fire department.  Needless to say labor was needed and hard to come by.  When the strike ended the pond search happened almost immediately.
- No one said the 40-52 (whatever) investigators from Holland ever stepped foot in or near the pond.  The timing is coincident.  Did anyone see these investigators anywhere near the pond?  I don't think so.     

I hope that cleared up more questions that it raises.

The peaople that came from holland to do the investigation was on a run of the other possible areas that they might have gone. and where on these 4 wheelers used by the Polis Department. The ALE who provided the info was with them and his job was to show them arround.

The pond had tires, fridge and bottles alot of debries in it. When the water was left to the center, I wnet to see it but could not walk on the moth since is was still sticking to shoes end was very soft. there where a lot of debries but one can not just walk to the center where there was still water.

When It dried up, I called John and let him know that it is all dried up and that that he need to come down to see it for himslef and he did come doen but left in 2 days.
Then came the investigators from Hollands and after that, Mos give order to clean it up.

I wne to to look at it and to my surprise it was cleand but one can see also that they replaced some area with fresh sands. The are in question is near the 2 black large tubes.

when you examine the whone pond, it is in these dry clay formations like a tiles but one can see the areas that was distrubed. Otherthing, where is the debries that was in there dumped, nobody know.

The excuese was it needed to be cleaan in prepartion for the huracain season, I check all the others that where also dried up but was never cleaned.

so that sums it up

I never met with him. He did met with the Withness.



So, John Silvetti was there when the pond was examined and he spoke to the witness at that time?!?!    
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« Reply #395 on: September 23, 2008, 09:07:11 AM »

Not sure if anyone has posted this already...

Apparently, Koen and Sander are both still in GA and attending Gainesville State.
http://ezleagues.ezfacility.com/team.aspx?team_id=341980

Vms...Thanks!

Appears they have a game today...Can anyone make it? 

I am beginning to reach a conclusion that the Gottenbos were never involved with Joran...they were a victim of the Sloots manipulation as so many  other have been.  Hmmmm.
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« Reply #396 on: September 23, 2008, 09:12:32 AM »

Telegraaf
John van den Heuvel en Bert Huisjes

Holloway in the U.S. has declared that he father, Paul van der Sloot and son Joran during the night of the disappearance under suspicious circumstances together saw. The public prosecutor in Aruba wants the declaration as soon as possible to involve the investigation.

The statement is contrary to that of the father and son, who claim that night that they have had no contact. According to prosecutor Hans Mos is the statement in March this year made. "The man was heard by a private investigation. It is he more subject to a polygraph test, a lie detector."

The witness saw on the evening of disappearance a young man walking past his house. It struck him that he wore a shoe and a shirt was muddy. Then passed a red road, with a man of middle age. He recognized them as Paul and Joran van der Sloot.

Lake

Both came from the direction of the hotel where Natalee Holloway disappeared. The pair would then have gone to a lake, Montserrat Pont. This lake was previously investigated by police for possible traces. Although it was searched with sonar, no trace of a human body.

Mos: "These things witness has stated that he was not raised. Also a number of things contrary to a previous reading in front of the police. I got the statement in its entirety called but so far I have not received it yet . " According to the witness he would police and the judiciary is not fully informed, because he seriously doubted whether they want to solve the case. The lie detector test with nevertheless pointed out that the witness is telling the truth, if confirmed Mos. "He has voluntarily cooperated with, so I understand."

"The statement is not proof that the case is about," said the officer. "But we want him happy, especially because there are other things to be said than the witness has told the police. The private detectives were hired by the father of Natalee. I would get the declaration, but at the last consultations were we anyway. "

Conclusion

Justice wants to end this year the investigation into the disappearance for the second time finish. Last year that happened, but the case was reopened after Peter R. de Vries in his crime program with pictures came from an undercover operation in which Joran van der Sloot her body known to have dumped into the sea. These statements appear to be not legally valid as evidence.

According to the new witness would be the body of the American girl suspected of having been hidden in the lake on the island. Joran van der Sloot, who is studying in the Netherlands had resumed since the broadcast fled to Asia. Father Paul van der Sloot wanted last night not comment on the story of the witness


In this article is states the prosecutor wants the declaration...he already has it.  He has the polygraph results.  Why did they say that if he already has the information?   Could I be reading it wrong? 
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« Reply #397 on: September 23, 2008, 09:13:09 AM »

Not sure if anyone has posted this already...

Apparently, Koen and Sander are both still in GA and attending Gainesville State.
http://ezleagues.ezfacility.com/team.aspx?team_id=341980

Vms...Thanks!

Appears they have a game today...Can anyone make it? 

I am beginning to reach a conclusion that the Gottenbos were never involved with Joran...they were a victim of the Sloots manipulation as so many  other have been.  Hmmmm.
I'm certainly not ruling them or ANYONE out. In fact, I'm at the point adding MORE people to the mix.
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« Reply #398 on: September 23, 2008, 09:13:22 AM »

Am I alone again? 
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« Reply #399 on: September 23, 2008, 09:14:39 AM »

Not sure if anyone has posted this already...

Apparently, Koen and Sander are both still in GA and attending Gainesville State.
http://ezleagues.ezfacility.com/team.aspx?team_id=341980

Vms...Thanks!

Appears they have a game today...Can anyone make it? 

I am beginning to reach a conclusion that the Gottenbos were never involved with Joran...they were a victim of the Sloots manipulation as so many  other have been.  Hmmmm.
I'm certainly not ruling them or ANYONE out. In fact, I'm at the point adding MORE people to the mix.

Would you move to the USA knowing that as long as you remain on Aruba you are protected from anything you know and move to an area where they can watch your every move?  How stupid is that?
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