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« Reply #400 on: September 23, 2008, 09:18:25 AM »

Don't know if this has been posted yet...some footage from the Emmy's. If we already have it please delete.  Thanks.

http://player.nos.nl/index.php/media/play/tcmid/tcm:5-421364/
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« Reply #401 on: September 23, 2008, 09:21:51 AM »

Not sure if anyone has posted this already...

Apparently, Koen and Sander are both still in GA and attending Gainesville State.
http://ezleagues.ezfacility.com/team.aspx?team_id=341980

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Appears they have a game today...Can anyone make it? 

I am beginning to reach a conclusion that the Gottenbos were never involved with Joran...they were a victim of the Sloots manipulation as so many  other have been.  Hmmmm.
I'm certainly not ruling them or ANYONE out. In fact, I'm at the point adding MORE people to the mix.

Would you move to the USA knowing that as long as you remain on Aruba you are protected from anything you know and move to an area where they can watch your every move?  How stupid is that?
"hidden in plain sight."
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« Reply #402 on: September 23, 2008, 09:22:34 AM »

@Klaasend

The Kalpoe brothers nor Paulus van der Sloot were involved in the killing of Natalee Holloway and the disposing of her body.
The lying story of this 'new' witness is made to frame Paulus again.
Even an 'Emmy' award for another lying story.

Horror and laughter here.




I must be confused here...why do you keep saying the witness is lying to frame Paulus?  I would really like to understand why you say that? 
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« Reply #403 on: September 23, 2008, 09:31:30 AM »

@Klaasend

The Kalpoe brothers nor Paulus van der Sloot were involved in the killing of Natalee Holloway and the disposing of her body.
The lying story of this 'new' witness is made to frame Paulus again.
Even an 'Emmy' award for another lying story.

Horror and laughter here.




I must be confused here...why do you keep saying the witness is lying to frame Paulus?  I would really like to understand why you say that? 


OOO is the witness lying Jonathan ,how do you know that ?
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« Reply #404 on: September 23, 2008, 09:31:56 AM »

Not sure if anyone has posted this already...

Apparently, Koen and Sander are both still in GA and attending Gainesville State.
http://ezleagues.ezfacility.com/team.aspx?team_id=341980

Vms...Thanks!

Appears they have a game today...Can anyone make it? 

I am beginning to reach a conclusion that the Gottenbos were never involved with Joran...they were a victim of the Sloots manipulation as so many  other have been.  Hmmmm.
I'm certainly not ruling them or ANYONE out. In fact, I'm at the point adding MORE people to the mix.

Would you move to the USA knowing that as long as you remain on Aruba you are protected from anything you know and move to an area where they can watch your every move?  How stupid is that?
"hidden in plain sight."


I am reminded of Deepak mentioning a visit to the Internet Cafe about a FBI protected Witness....IIRC it was in Joran's book
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« Reply #405 on: September 23, 2008, 09:37:28 AM »

Hiya Monkeys. When was this witness 1st discovered? Has this witness actually given a statement to ALE? Seems I remember he was afraid to come forward because word on the street was if you did you would end up in jail.
If he gave a statement, why is Mos saying he didn't. Is this another piece of the pie that ALE has hidden/eaten/tossed? OR is Mos on the dirty dutch payroll of covering azzes?
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« Reply #406 on: September 23, 2008, 09:42:05 AM »

Not sure if anyone has posted this already...

Apparently, Koen and Sander are both still in GA and attending Gainesville State.
http://ezleagues.ezfacility.com/team.aspx?team_id=341980

Vms...Thanks!

Appears they have a game today...Can anyone make it? 

I am beginning to reach a conclusion that the Gottenbos were never involved with Joran...they were a victim of the Sloots manipulation as so many  other have been.  Hmmmm.
I'm certainly not ruling them or ANYONE out. In fact, I'm at the point adding MORE people to the mix.

Would you move to the USA knowing that as long as you remain on Aruba you are protected from anything you know and move to an area where they can watch your every move?  How stupid is that?
"hidden in plain sight."

Now, you know Shango isn't real. 
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« Reply #407 on: September 23, 2008, 09:44:15 AM »

Not sure if anyone has posted this already...

Apparently, Koen and Sander are both still in GA and attending Gainesville State.
http://ezleagues.ezfacility.com/team.aspx?team_id=341980

Vms...Thanks!

Appears they have a game today...Can anyone make it? 

I am beginning to reach a conclusion that the Gottenbos were never involved with Joran...they were a victim of the Sloots manipulation as so many  other have been.  Hmmmm.
I'm certainly not ruling them or ANYONE out. In fact, I'm at the point adding MORE people to the mix.

Would you move to the USA knowing that as long as you remain on Aruba you are protected from anything you know and move to an area where they can watch your every move?  How stupid is that?
"hidden in plain sight."


I am reminded of Deepak mentioning a visit to the Internet Cafe about a FBI protected Witness....IIRC it was in Joran's book

I suppose what I should have said was if the Gotenbos are witnesses..then how stupid is Joran and Paulus for letting them leave?  Sorry, after I reread my post it did sound sort of odd. LOL  Need more coffee.
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« Reply #408 on: September 23, 2008, 09:45:17 AM »

Hiya Monkeys. When was this witness 1st discovered? Has this witness actually given a statement to ALE? Seems I remember he was afraid to come forward because word on the street was if you did you would end up in jail.
If he gave a statement, why is Mos saying he didn't. Is this another piece of the pie that ALE has hidden/eaten/tossed? OR is Mos on the dirty dutch payroll of covering azzes?

Depends on which witness you are talking about.  Morning Yapp.
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« Reply #409 on: September 23, 2008, 09:50:25 AM »

Lalas I am talking about "Caps" witness. Is there another one? I may have missed something. 
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« Reply #410 on: September 23, 2008, 09:56:12 AM »

Lalas!! your phone is ringing!!   

trying to caaaaall you!!! lol 
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« Reply #411 on: September 23, 2008, 09:57:01 AM »

Hiya Monkeys. When was this witness 1st discovered? Has this witness actually given a statement to ALE? Seems I remember he was afraid to come forward because word on the street was if you did you would end up in jail.
If he gave a statement, why is Mos saying he didn't. Is this another piece of the pie that ALE has hidden/eaten/tossed? OR is Mos on the dirty dutch payroll of covering azzes?


Good Morning Yapp...I asked when the other day as well. All I have seen is 2007 by Jonathan and SS posted Dec. 2007 IIRC

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« Reply #412 on: September 23, 2008, 10:02:54 AM »

Lalas I am talking about "Caps" witness. Is there another one? I may have missed something. 

Oh, sorry. LOL  Tim said last night there were two other witnesses.  My mistake.  As I understand it...Caps witness tried within the first week to tell them his story and no one would listen...I am sure you are not surprised at that...and then when Caps spoke to him he told him he tried to talk to them before with no luck.  Caps then made arrangements for him to speak about what he saw one more time.  Seems Mos listened and still did nothing so I suppose Tim Miller and John Silvetti took matters into their own hands and made arrangements for a polygraph.  Apparently, Mos will have to be forced to act on this now...it is obvious he does not want to do anything about it.
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« Reply #413 on: September 23, 2008, 10:03:27 AM »

Lalas!! your phone is ringing!!   

trying to caaaaall you!!! lol 

No it's not!  LOL  Try again.
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« Reply #414 on: September 23, 2008, 10:03:36 AM »

From Oceanexplorer...

21   Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #751 5/8 -  on: May 14, 2008, 01:26:56 PM 
Greetings,

I'm sure you've already heard, but the pond is ropped off and now dry.  40 investigators from Holland were brought in related to the case.  No word on the outcome yet.   
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If they didn't search the pond, who did?


They did search the pond on otfer of Hans Mos. Hans even give Order to DOW. (department of Public work) to clean it up and to put a chain around the entrance with a sing saying "No Traspassing " "Verboeden Toegang"

Now after the side scan, John was coordinating with the the OM and ALE to arrange to Pump it emty, but the OM did not lift a finger.
then the OM put a sign and make it prohibid to go to the area.
then when it was dried, the OM stop all activities that where scheduled on the scoccer field and moved them to other fields.
then in the wee hours in the mornings for 3 nights the light where on and from good source the message was clear, it is being search when everyone was as sleep.

Then the ligths never came on anymore. and the soccer ares is almost not used.

hope to clear this fact up.




Hi Caps.  How to explain this statement by OE also.  Contradicts the other post:

 Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #752 5-15-08  on: May 16, 2008, 08:59:01 AM

I'll try to clarify a few points. Nice pics by the way.
- The pond was searched because of a promising lead we received.
- We were able to conduct the scanning sonar (not to be confused with side scan sonar) search of the pond because of some weather related down time during the ocean search.
- My analysis of the sonar was used to 1) show that the pond needed to be drained in opposed to be investigated with divers.  The only way to effectively search the pond would be if it were dry. 2) show that there were objects in the pond aside from tires.  I'm not commenting on what these objects could be because I'm not speculating.  I will say that I at least saw tires (I saw a pic of one somewhere) in the scanning sonar.
- The reason the pond search was so delayed was on account of the labor strike.  The pond needed to be completely drained which needed the help of the Polis and fire department.  Needless to say labor was needed and hard to come by.  When the strike ended the pond search happened almost immediately.
- No one said the 40-52 (whatever) investigators from Holland ever stepped foot in or near the pond.  The timing is coincident.  Did anyone see these investigators anywhere near the pond?  I don't think so.     

I hope that cleared up more questions that it raises.

The people that came from holland to do the investigation was on a run of the other possible areas that they might have gone (the Kapoes) and where on these 4 wheelers used by the Polis Department. The ALE who provided the info was with them and his job was to show them arround.

The pond had tires, fridge and bottles alot of debries in it. When the water was left to the center, I wnet to see it but could not walk on the moth since is was still sticking to shoes end was very soft. there where a lot of debries but one can not just walk to the center where there was still water.

When It dried up, I called John and let him know that it is all dried up and that that he need to come down to see it for himslef and he did come doen but left in 2 days.

Then came the investigators from Hollands and after that, Mos give order to clean it up.

I went to to look at it and to my surprise it was cleaned up but one can see also that they replaced some area with fresh sands. The are in question is near the 2 black large tubes. They have not clean it completly, there was still a large tire and some other debires and those where at the other end of the pond, the shallow area.

when you examine the whole pond, it is in these dry clay formations like a tiles and one can see the areas that was distrubed. Otherthing, where is the debries that was in there dumped, nobody knows when asked asked.

The excuese was it needed to be clean in prepartion for the huracain season, I check all the others that where also dried up but was never cleaned.

so that sums it up

I never met with John when he came. but he did met with the Withness.

Tim Miller also mentioned that the witness met with John Silvetti on Dana's show last night.  He also said there were two additional witnesses.  That makes three additional witnesses that IIRC came forward and were discredited by ALE early on.

Does this mean there might be lying witnesses in this case?

Does this mean there might be lying suspects in this case?

And, a way to prove some are lying?


I remember how some got agitated with GrannyToads "Check the cesspool...moko..." refrain.

Perhaps somone was afraid that a certain American investigator might find these witnesses on their own?  IIRC, these witnesses must have been in the area of interest.  IF the investigator knocked on a few more doors, might they have stumbled upon this trio?

If the witnesses had come forward to the media earlier, might there have been something of interest in that pond?
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« Reply #415 on: September 23, 2008, 10:17:44 AM »


Emmy for Dutch Natalee Holloway report

Tuesday 23 September 2008

TV crime reporter Peter R de Vries has won the international Emmy award for best current affairs programme for his investigation into the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean island of Aruba in 2005.

The show, screened on Dutch tv in February, featured secret recordings of the main suspect, Dutch teenager Joran van der Sloot talking about how Holloway died and how he got a friend to dump her body at sea.

Almost half the Dutch population watched the programme. The show, or fragments from it, was also broadcast in the US.

De Vries accepted the award at a glittering ceremony in New York on Monday together with Natalee’s mother Beth. They dedicated it to the memory of the dead girl.

‘This is the prize of prizes,’ De Vries is reported as saying. ‘You only win this once.’

Investigation nears end

Meanwhile, the Volkskrant reports that the police investigation into Van der Sloot’s role in the disappearance of Holloway will be completed at the end of this year.

He has twice been arrested and released because of a lack of evidence.

During the programme, Van der Sloot tells Patrick van der Eem, who was working for De Vries, that the girl was completely drunk and died while they were on the beach.

A spokesman for the Aruban justice department has told the Volkskrant that the authorities will decide by the end of 2009 if there is enough evidence to prosecute Van der Sloot.

© DutchNews.nl

the end of 2009 ????????????
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http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/netherlands/080923-holloway-reporte
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« Reply #417 on: September 23, 2008, 10:20:54 AM »

@Klaasend

The Kalpoe brothers nor Paulus van der Sloot were involved in the killing of Natalee Holloway and the disposing of her body.
The lying story of this 'new' witness is made to frame Paulus again.
Even an 'Emmy' award for another lying story.

Horror and laughter here.


I must be confused here...why do you keep saying the witness is lying to frame Paulus?  I would really like to understand why you say that? 


OOO is the witness lying Jonathan ,how do you know that ?

I am looking at the words...

How many ways it is possible for Natalee to have expired?

Natural - old age (no), disease

Accident - fell off balcony, run over by four-wheeler driven by tourist

Unnatural -  run over by car, alien abduction

Other - Perhaps Natalee died because no one call 911 or gave aid while she was failing?  Maybe she was in a coma, had seizures?  Maybe she was the victum of alcohol she consumed?  Drugs slipped into her beverage? 

What would qualify as "killing" in Aruba law?  What responsibility would someone have, who watched her have a seizure, coma, or other medical condition, if they failed to seek help or call a responsible adult?

If they did call an adult, what responsibility might that person have?

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What is hiding/concealing a body considered?  What is dismembering a body considered?  What is disposal of a body (and/or related evidence) considered? 

Failure to report a death and body, what is that considered under Aruban law?

IIRC, from various posts over the years, there are many subtle things to be considered.  While someone may have moral and ethical responsibility, 'killing' as defined by Aruban law may be difficult, if not impossible, prove.

The same with disposal of a body.  What if someone just hid (or helped to hide) a body in a pond, and arranged for others to dispose of it?  What would the one making the 'arrangements' with the actual disposers be responsible for?  The ones actually disposing of the body?

What about someone who failed to call 911, but managed to get out a call to someone with a boat?
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« Reply #418 on: September 23, 2008, 11:18:23 AM »

Thanks for posting Lala's - here is the award video:



Quality turned out funky but you can still hear it. 
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« Reply #419 on: September 23, 2008, 11:22:27 AM »

@Klaasend

The Kalpoe brothers nor Paulus van der Sloot were involved in the killing of Natalee Holloway and the disposing of her body.
The lying story of this 'new' witness is made to frame Paulus again.
Even an 'Emmy' award for another lying story.

Horror and laughter here.




I must be confused here...why do you keep saying the witness is lying to frame Paulus?  I would really like to understand why you say that? 


OOO is the witness lying Jonathan ,how do you know that ?


Well Jonathan, you seem to know more about the case than we do?!
Why not let us share with you . .
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