Natalee Case Discussion #770 9/20/08 - 10/04/08

[Ono]

Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT go to the roster page.  It is throwing out a few virus's.  I saw some good names prior to getting hit though...  Kalpoes father.

What is the "roster page" ???

[texasmom]

Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT go to the roster page.  It is throwing out a few virus's.  I saw some good names prior to getting hit though...  Kalpoes father.

Thanks for the warning Hotshot, probably saved me some grief!   

[Ono]

Thanks for the email alerting me to the Bonaire case. I will hope for the best but this happened four days ago? I'll go to the Marlies thread.

Yes...I just received a SM e-mail about this case too......  Thanks!

[Ono]

Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT go to the roster page.  It is throwing out a few virus's.  I saw some good names prior to getting hit though...  Kalpoes father.

Thanks for the warning Hotshot, probably saved me some grief!   

Okay...what is the "roster page" ????  Was the SM e-mail I just got okay to click on ?   

[texasmom]

Solo Di Pueblo 9/25/08

[CapsLockWizard]

Dompig laid out the latest scenario of what happend after Natalee was last seen driving off with van der sloot and the Kalpoe brothers shortly after 1 a.m.

"he says investigators think the group did not go to the beach but that they possibly brough Natalie back to the vander Sloot's home."

if I was asked that question I would have responded like this

"he says investigators think the group did not go to the beach but that they possibly brough Natalie to the van der Sloot's home."

examine these two statement, the word BACK means the she was at the sloot before.

my stement can only be use if I did not know prior where she was.

But in Dompig statement, he had already had the knowladge where she was and when is trying to lie, will make those mistakes. the word is "BACK" can not be use if you do not know where she was.

The next question to him should have been "What do you mean Back?"

[Jonathan45]

Here an old Dutch link about Jan van der Straten.

http://www.hetvrijevolk.com/?pagina=5341&titel=%93Geen_lijk_geen_zaak%94

He is now a retired [July 2008] chief Bonaire police. He was taken of the Holloway case at the end of July 2005
If you search Yahoo images on his name you will get a painting. [www.bonaireinsider.com] Looks like Anita's art work.
A hobby ?

And what do we know about this close friend of Paulus man ?
Is/was he Married ? Any children ? Etc.

[Hotshot]

Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT go to the roster page.  It is throwing out a few virus's.  I saw some good names prior to getting hit though...  Kalpoes father.

Thanks for the warning Hotshot, probably saved me some grief!   

Okay...what is the "roster page" ????  Was the SM e-mail I just got okay to click on ?   

Sorry Ono, I had to run out for a bit.  The Roster page is off the last link I posted that shows who is in the Lions Club.  So, you can go to that link, just dont go any further.

[MumInOhio]

Dompig laid out the latest scenario of what happend after Natalee was last seen driving off with van der sloot and the Kalpoe brothers shortly after 1 a.m.

"he says investigators think the group did not go to the beach but that they possibly brough Natalie back to the vander Sloot's home."

if I was asked that question I would have responded like this

"he says investigators think the group did not go to the beach but that they possibly brough Natalie to the van der Sloot's home."

examine these two statement, the word BACK means the she was at the sloot before.

my stement can only be use if I did not know prior where she was.

But in Dompig statement, he had already had the knowladge where she was and when is trying to lie, will make those mistakes. the word is "BACK" can not be use if you do not know where she was.

The next question to him should have been "What do you mean Back?"

Good Morning Caps...Possibly back as in Deepak and Satish going back as that is where they said they picked him up from that night.

[MumInOhio]

Here an old Dutch link about Jan van der Straten.

http://www.hetvrijevolk.com/?pagina=5341&titel=%93Geen_lijk_geen_zaak%94

He is now a retired [July 2008] chief Bonaire police. He was taken of the Holloway case at the end of July 2005
If you search Yahoo images on his name you will get a painting. [www.bonaireinsider.com] Looks like Anita's art work.
A hobby ?

And what do we know about this close friend of Paulus man ?
Is/was he Married ? Any children ? Etc.

Good Morning Jonathan...There has been discussion a couple of times in the past few months about an Eefje as van der Straten's wife. She is also an artist.

Not sure, but I think the last discussions showed she wasn't. Says she is the mother of 5.



Art
Opportunity to visit Access Art Gallery and admire the art pieces by local Contemporary artists Douwe van Twillert and Eefje van der Straten – van Twillert. Exhibition is open till March 10, 2008.

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning Hotshot...I went to an Aruba Lions site yesterday from a link in Shango and strange things happened!

It was their Roster, don't recall which year though...not going back...found what I wanted!

[johan555]

John Suffolk policeChef is now an internal investigation into the failure of the Corps.
To his great anger, he was only informed on Monday afternoon !!!
read more here
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3445.new#new

[CapsLockWizard]

Good Morning Hotshot...I went to an Aruba Lions site yesterday from a link in Shango and strange things happened!

It was their Roster, don't recall which year though...not going back...found what I wanted!

cool

 just rad the Awe Mainta news paper where they are explaining that the girl missing in bonaire is a Jugoslavian Mafia that came down to look for the snitch but took the wrong girl that last name is almost identical as the won of the Snitcher.

Kouwe vs Kouwen. The N letter that made all the problem for this girl.

[MumInOhio]

Nut...I am bringing Johan's post over here because of the references to Aruba and Natalee...


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3445.msg471740;boardseen#new

Re: Marlies van der Kouw, 24, kidnapped in Bonaire 9/21/08
« Reply #10 on: Today at 05:05:12 AM » Quote 

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Marlies kidnapping seems misunderstanding
By PETER DE KNEGT
BONAIRE - The abduction of Leusdense Marlies van der Kouw possible based on a mistaken identity. Antillean different sources reporting this. The police will not comment on Bonaire.

 Marlies van der Kouw disappeared Sunday morning. Bonaire on Wednesday was an attempt to kidnap an 8-year-old girl instead. It was the daughter of the convicted for drug trafficking Wout of Kouwen, a Dutchman who lives in Bonaire. He also has a 17-year-old daughter, who in Kralendijk next Karel's Beach Bar works.

Marlies van der Kouw visited the bar just before she was abducted. Sources on Bonaire reported that her abduction may be based on a mistaken identity with the eldest daughter of Van Kouwen. From Kouwen themselves according to insiders is not currently on the island. The police have been suffered by several people inquire about him.

The population of Bonaire is dead cramped that the disappearance of Marlies van der Kouw casts a slur on the good name of the crowded tourist north.

,, Bonaire is emerging, there are many wealthy Dutch. It has always been peaceful. We are not Aruba with Miami-like conditions,''says Johan Visser, in the capital Kralendijk decades Karel's Beach Bar runs.

The islanders also reject any suggestion that the disappearance of the intern Leusdense is similar to the case of Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005. ,, This is Bonaire. Something never done here,''says George Abrahams, spokesman for the police.

,, There are two fatalities per year. We have a gevangenisje with less than fifty convicts. And then only for theft or abuse.''

The police station is an excited activity. 'Every agent on the island has been reported to help search for Marlies. They run night services, and are noon to try again to resolve this matter,''says Abrahams. Justice sings them in choir.

,, Bonaire is a village, which is not much different from any village in the Netherlands where nothing happens. This tragedy makes people suddenly not criminal,''suggests parketsecretaris Andre Haltman.
***********************************************************************************Ontvoering Marlies lijkt misverstand
AD Door PETER DE KNEGT
BONAIRE - De ontvoering van de Leusdense Marlies van der Kouwe berust mogelijk op een persoonsverwisseling. Verschillende Antilliaanse bronnen melden dit. De politie op Bonaire geeft geen commentaar.
 
Marlies van der Kouwe in het vliegtuig op weg naar Bonaire.
Marlies van der Kouwe verdween zondagochtend. Woensdag vond op Bonaire een poging tot ontvoering van een 8-jarig meisje plaats. Het ging om de dochter van de voor drugshandel veroordeelde Wout van Kouwen, een Nederlander die op Bonaire woont. Hij heeft ook een 17-jarige dochter, die in Kralendijk naast Karel's Beach Bar werkt.

Marlies van der Kouwe bezocht deze bar vlak voordat zij werd ontvoerd. Bronnen op Bonaire melden dat haar ontvoering mogelijk berust op een persoonsverwisseling met de oudste dochter van Van Kouwen. Van Kouwen zelf bevindt zich volgens ingewijden momenteel niet op het eiland. De politie heeft inmiddels bij diverse personen navraag naar hem gedaan.

De bevolking van Bonaire is doodsbenauwd dat de verdwijning van Marlies van der Kouwe een smet werpt op de goede naam van het drukbezochte toeristenoord.

,,Bonaire is in opkomst, er komen hier veel rijke Nederlanders. Het is hier altijd vredig geweest. We zijn geen Aruba met Miami-achtige toestanden,'' zegt Johan Visser, die in de hoofdstad Kralendijk al decennialang Karel's Beach Bar runt.

De eilanders verwerpen dan ook elke suggestie dat de verdwijning van de Leusdense stagiaire is te vergelijken met de zaak-Natalee Holloway in 2005 op Aruba. ,,Dit is Bonaire. Hier gebeurt nooit iets,'' zegt George Abrahams, woordvoerder van de politie.

,,Er zijn twee verkeersdoden per jaar. We hebben een gevangenisje met minder dan vijftig veroordeelden. En dan nog alleen voor diefstal of mishandeling.''

In het politiebureau heerst een opgewonden bedrijvigheid. ,,Iedere agent op het eiland heeft zich gemeld om te helpen zoeken naar Marlies. Ze draaien nachtdiensten en zijn er dan 's middags weer om te proberen deze zaak op te lossen,'' zegt Abrahams. Justitie zingt mee in het koor.

,,Bonaire is een dorp, dat niet veel verschilt van een willekeurig dorpje in Nederland waar nooit iets gebeurt. Dit drama maakt de bevolking niet ineens crimineel,'' stelt parketsecretaris André Haltman.

[johan555]

Peter with Beth in NY

[SS]

Caps - what is hapeening on Aruba right now?

- What is Paulass's reaction to the witness statement saying that he was there in the red jeep?

- Has BonDia had a reaction to the Diario article?

- What is the general reaction from the Aruban people about the Diario articles and Peter's Emmy?

- Has there been any reaction from DTKM and Voking?

- Is Peter doing a Paulass special on October 8th?

- Do you know if the shoe that Jossy has is Urine's shoe?

- Do you have any information about the content of the traps?

[MumInOhio]

Caps - what is hapeening on Aruba right now?

- What is Paulass's reaction to the witness statement saying that he was there in the red jeep?

- Has BonDia had a reaction to the Diario article?

- What is the general reaction from the Aruban people about the Diario articles and Peter's Emmy?

- Has there been any reaction from DTKM and Voking?

- Is Peter doing a Paulass special on October 8th?

- Do you know if the shoe that Jossy has is Urine's shoe?

- Do you have any information about the content of the traps?

Where is the 4th shoe?

Does Jaime have it?  Joran gave him something!

[WhiskeyGirl]

Aruba like Miami?  That brings "Miami Vice" to my mind. 

Aruba-Vice, new series starting in the fall.  Peter de Vries kicks off the new season with a Natalee Holloway update, followed by the premier episode.

What kind of people live on Bonaire that someone would want to kidnap one?  What if you visit and look like a resident?

Is this SA / Italian like kidnapping a new trend for the island?

[natalfan]

last news Bonaire

Suspected removal Bonaire apprehended Insel air claimt damage at Curaçao air postage partners Demonstration at Sonesta Beach The first verdachte in the removal matter of Marlies of of the Kouwe on Bonaire has been apprehended yesterday. Radio Voz di Boneiru could just as for six hours communicate that a man has been apprehended with the name Ryan or Rayan Pieter. He prison of eight years in the order Futuro a prison sentence will exactly have sat out because of rape on Bonaire. The verdachte (Ryan)since two à three months on free feet have been put. Concerning arrest three searchings have been performed, of which two in the district Tera Kòrá. Suspected was, according to the first bulletins, in the Bonaire Plaza operative hotel. The police force wants confirm, however, the arrest of a verdachte, but discusses the name. To the island glad it has been reacted to arrest. The search for Marlies of of the Kouwe provisionally still continues

Verdachte ontvoering Bonaire aangehouden   Insel Air claimt schade bij Curaçao Airport Partners   Betoging bij Sonesta Beach
De eerste verdachte in de ontvoeringszaak van Marlies van der Kouwe op Bonaire is gisteren aangehouden. Radio Voz di Boneiru wist even voor zes uur te melden dat een man is aangehouden met de naam Ryan of Rayan Pieter. Hij zou net een gevangenisstraf hebben uitgezeten van acht jaar in de Bon Futuro gevangenis vanwege verkrachting op Bonaire. De verdachte zou sinds twee à drie maanden op vrije voeten zijn gesteld. In verband met de arrestatie zijn drie huiszoekingen verricht, waarvan twee in de wijk Tera Kòrá. De verdachte was, volgens de eerste berichten, werkzaam in het Bonaire Plaza Hotel. De politie wil wel de arrestatie van een verdachte bevestigen, maar gaat niet in op de naam. Op het eiland is verheugd gereageerd op de arrestatie. De zoektocht naar Marlies van der Kouwe gaat voorlopig nog door.

How the Hell is it possible that this guy ,who was 8 years in jail and free since 2 a 3 months works in a hotel ? unbelievable !!!

Bonaire Plazza hotel ( vd Valk group )
http://www.valk.com/pages/?ID=3376&propertyCode=BON

Yep unbelievable, but there's a lot unbelievable in this world.
How is it possible that Posner owns a casino in Aruba?
I have so many questions and such a little bit of answers.
The only thing i hope that there is justice for natalee and that marlies is still alive.

[MumInOhio]

Welcome natalfan...The casino is in his son's name 

I have been trying to figure out Paulus' job description during this time period.

IIRC he was the private secretary to the AG for 8 years, which would end 12/31/2002. Before that he had a 5 year contract with the Aruban government as a Lands Advocate, dirty hand as Johan says.

Not sure where the contracts fit in?

EXCELSIOR CASINO N.V.
Business address J.E. IRAUSQUIN BLVD. 230, NOORD
Legal form LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY
Name of the company EXCELSIOR CASINO N.V.
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of incorporation 19 JUNE 1998

Authorized capital ARUBAN FLORINS 100,000.00
Issued capital ARUBAN FLORINS 20,000.00
Paid up capital ARUBAN FLORINS 20,000.00
Fiscal year 01 JANUARY thru 31 DECEMBER

DIRECTORS - AUTHORIZED PERSONS AND CORPORATE BODIES - SUPERVISORY BOARD:
POSNER, WALTER BRETT;
Residing in 9 BANOCKBURN COURT , BANOCKBURN III, U.S.A.
Born in U.S.A., CHICAGO, ILLINOIS on 21 MAY 1960
Nationality AMERICAN
Position MANAGING DIRECTOR
Effective 23 OCTOBER 1998
Authority FULL
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
TO OPERATE A CASINO AT THE "HOLIDAY IN RESORT".