Natalee Case Discussion #770 9/20/08 - 10/04/08

[texasmom]

I need a news fix!

I wish Jossy would publish another article or CAPS would
offer a tidbit.  Even Mr. Frog has grown silent.

I KNOW how you feel Magnolia!  

[wreck]

I need a news fix!

I wish Jossy would publish another article or CAPS would
offer a tidbit.  Even Mr. Frog has grown silent.

I KNOW how you feel Magnolia!  

Sometimes I think the Monkeys are too "on-the-ball". When we get a "hint" or "clue" we run with it. Sometimes we get too far ahead of where "the good guys" want us! I guess we should be a little more patient at this point. I think the wheels are turning!

[MuffyBee]

I think the wheels are turning!

I also think the wheels are turning Wreck.  It just seems like they roll forward and then roll back. 

[Nut44x4]

My patience ran out for the 10th time when the sea search ended. 

[Nut44x4]

Posting this now, but will have to do it again later on if it does not pick up here.

[texasmom]

[johan555]

Aruba gets 108.8 million euros (280 million florin) of the Netherlands which 87.5 million euros from the sale(over 400 million florin) of the Plant Hotel

Netherlands and Aruba agreement on Plant-money
September 30, 2008, 15:14 (GMT -04:00)



State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten and Prime Minister Nelson Oduber shake hands after they signed an agreement yesterday on the sale of the Plant Hotel which has long conflict was over.


ORANGE CITY - Aruba gets 108.8 million euros (280 million florin) of the Netherlands which 87.5 million euros from the sale (over 400 million florin) of the Plant Hotel. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten of this Kingdom signed an agreement Monday that an end to the long conflict between the Netherlands and Aruba on the distribution of funds Plant.

by Sharina Henriquez

The signing of the memorandum of understanding took place in a packed house at Surf Side Marina where the audience consisted of almost the entire cabinet, the MEP group and other party figures, which is' historic agreement 'mainly seen as a victory party in the run-up to elections next year. A jet car outside of Tele Aruba also forwarded it happen live for the constituency at home Saturday. That same evening the party was in the party house of MEP in Santa Cruz which was stressed that it is especially the yellow party has been that after years of difficulty for a good deal with the Netherlands has ensured.

Aruba signed for about half the amount of the sale of the Plant Hotel. However even nederland 21.3 million euros available, an amount that Aruba was already earmarked for debt restructuring in 2008 and 2009 with a balanced budget. The condition of the budget balance is now abandoned which Aruba is the money. However, Aruba 10.6 million euro return for payments to the Netherlands for the coastguard. The rest of the amount, 96.2 million florin (nearly 250 million florin) may Aruba Friday, but Prime Minister Oduber said yesterday that it is used for economic development such as the port and refurbishing the downtown, education and debt restructuring. "A promise is a debt of Aruba to further reduce by about 3 percent."
The money also seems just in time to come on Monday after the stock market in the United States dramatically plummet banks in Europe and also in difficulties. Finance Minister Nilo Swaen said yesterday, therefore, that Aruba has to start preparing for a recession. "Therefore, we must start investing, with the money that we have now." Most of the money end of the year on the account of Land, which the Central Bank managed, and the rest is paid by April next year.

The Plant Hotel where at the moment Marriott Resort & Casino is located.


Apart from the money appears the agreement also launched a new relationship between the Netherlands and Aruba by the conflict in recent years was quite confounded. Aruba so threatened time and again talks about the new political situation in the Kingdom to delay by the Plant conflict. This was clear again last month when Minister Rudy Croes refused to take part in the discussions on St. Maarten, but late last week still afreisde when the Netherlands with a new and more favorable distribution mainly came from the Plant funds.
This new "political deal" was adopted by the Cabinet finally 'reasonable' found. Because so stressed Prime Minister Oduber yesterday: "It was a question to a reasonable political deal to come. This is a historic moment for the relationship between the Netherlands and Aruba. Because since 1992, there are many difficult moments. We have four directors, Tom de Graaff, Alexander Pechtold, Atzo Nicolaï and you, Mrs Bijleveld, fought and threatened to court, but that did not happen. That was also not good for the relationship in the Kingdom. "

Adult
Secretary of State Bijl Field stresses that she always wanted a good political appointment and not what was assumed by Aruba, a 'zero central event. " Last July seemed all talk of such an appointment when the Netherlands offered 151 million florin and the Aruban government in the assumption was that the amount involved in euros. After a lightning visit in October of this misunderstanding Bijleveld was clear again and again left the State failure. "No deal, no money," she told the press after which Prime Minister Oduber officials are prohibited to participate in the political talks. Oduber the investment bank AIB then switched back on and made a new proposal of 178 million euros. From that moment there was a stalemate that only with the visit of Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende in February of this year was broken. Netherlands decided to re-file the Plant to look into a committee with experts including Aruban AIB director Frendsel Giel. In May the State expecting a solution, but that was ultimately so yesterday.

"I wanted a political appointment was made for good relations within the Kingdom. That is ultimately in the interests of the entire population. It bodes well for the future of the Kingdom as mature as we deal with each other, "Bijleveld said that the word 'adult' has repeated several times to emphasize that the new relationship between Aruba and the Netherlands now will be. Also in the coming talks on the political renewal. Yesterday she was still not aware of the statement by Justice Minister Rudy Croes announced that same morning was not to Curacao to go to a joint decision to sign on the establishment of the new Court of Justice, as Aruba's requirements "not be accepted. Croes repeated again that the new court should come here because Aruba almost a quarter century country and therefore experience, in contrast to Curaçao that soon only the status as the country gets.

Bijleveld, however, maintains what Prime Minister Oduber said yesterday, namely that Aruba or cooperating in the establishment of the new court and Curacao with an exchange of views should be or where it is. "This does not mean that we are a sine qua non condition", explained the prime minister. This ruling resulted in a visible relief of Bijleveld who added: "I agree with Oduber agree that there is not a condition. That means that there is no condition of Aruba Aruba and adhere to what was agreed during the recent tripartite consultations. "
These consultations took place in June in which the Justice ministers of the three countries agreed that Aruba cooperate with the new rijkswet for the Common Court of Justice.

Bijleveld said the sentiments of Croes has to understand, but denies that the Netherlands Aruba sees not as mature. "Aruba is doing well and has achieved a great deal on its own merits. It says something more of themselves as people must be stressed that Aruba is a country. "


Aruban position
During the signing of the agreement, Plant became clear that the requirements that Justice Minister Rudy Croes earlier in St. Maarten laid on the table in "Aruba's position paper" on the Common Court of Justice are not so hard. At least not according to Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, "I support my colleague Croes, but the position that Aruba is now cooperating in the new rijkswet." State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten said that Aruba is not just in a separate pathway may make appointments with the Antillean islands. "This is not just because there is bipartite agreements have been reached between the Netherlands and the Antilles. Moreover, it appears now that what in Aruba's position paper is not the Aruban position. "
The delegations on St. Maarten with, among others, the Antillean Justice Minister David Dick, signed Friday an resolutions. It was decided to commission a separate, non-Dutch representation, which run on the proposals between Aruba and the concept of consensus-rijkswet on the court and his attention to proposals to come. It is also an executive Caribbean route between Aruba, the Antilles, St. Maarten and Curacao set, either as Minister Croes said earlier: "an Antillean / Aruban Track.

[bastibro]

I need a news fix!

I wish Jossy would publish another article or CAPS would
offer a tidbit.  Even Mr. Frog has grown silent.

I KNOW how you feel Magnolia! 

Sometimes I think the Monkeys are too "on-the-ball". When we get a "hint" or "clue" we run with it. Sometimes we get too far ahead of where "the good guys" want us! I guess we should be a little more patient at this point. I think the wheels are turning!

Well said Wreck, i totally agree.

 

[Rob]

Bonaire - pic found by Johan and posted in Marlies van der Kouwe thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=3390.880;num_replies=887



BLOWN TO 200% AND CROPPED - BONAIRE


CRIME SCENE VAN FOUND BY ME IN 24ORA - ARUBA


LICENSE PLATE OF CRIME SCENE VAN - ARUBA -


CRIME SCENE VAN LOCATED AT POLIS STATION - ARUBA


CRIME SCENE VAN


ORANGE COOLER COMBO - ARUBA - ARU-BAY VIDEOS AND POLIS STATION


NATALEE HOLLOWAY KIDNAPPED ON ARUBA 5-30-2005 @ 1:08 AM (MONDAY MORNING) - ARU-BAY VIDEOS FILMED 6-10-2005 EARLY MORNING THRU 12-1 PM

TIME FRAME - 10 - 11 DAYS

MARLIES VAN DER KOUWE KIDNAPPED ON BONAIRE 9-21-2008 @ 1:30 AM (SUNDAY MORNING) FIRST REPORTED BY CAESU - 23 sep 2008, 17:55 -
http://tinyurl.com/54yrh3

TIME FRAME - 10 DAYS

I believe this ends all speculation about the crime scene van I saw in the missing video. The fact that there is a similar van also on Bonaire with the same orange cooler and seen in the Aru-Bay videos and also seen in the Crime Scene Van at the Polis Station with the same blue tackle box leads me to believe that whatever happened at that rock scene was a crime. Also in the missing video is the same crime scene / forensic techs wearing the bio-suits.

[BUCKSHOT]

Bonaire - pic found by Johan and posted in Marlies van der Kouwe thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;topic=3390.880;num_replies=887



BLOWN TO 200% AND CROPPED - BONAIRE


CRIME SCENE VAN FOUND BY ME IN 24ORA - ARUBA


LICENSE PLATE OF CRIME SCENE VAN - ARUBA -


CRIME SCENE VAN LOCATED AT POLIS STATION - ARUBA


CRIME SCENE VAN


ORANGE COOLER COMBO - ARUBA - ARU-BAY VIDEOS AND POLIS STATION


NATALEE HOLLOWAY KIDNAPPED ON ARUBA 5-30-2005 @ 1:08 AM (MONDAY MORNING) - ARU-BAY VIDEOS FILMED 6-10-2005 EARLY MORNING THRU 12-1 PM

TIME FRAME - 10 - 11 DAYS

MARLIES VAN DER KOUWE KIDNAPPED ON BONAIRE 9-21-2008 @ 1:30 AM (SUNDAY MORNING) FIRST REPORTED BY CAESU - 23 sep 2008, 17:55 -
http://tinyurl.com/54yrh3

TIME FRAME - 10 DAYS

I believe this ends all speculation about the crime scene van I saw in the missing video. The fact that there is a similar van also on Bonaire with the same orange cooler and seen in the Aru-Bay videos and also seen in the Crime Scene Van at the Polis Station with the same blue tackle box leads me to believe that whatever happened at that rock scene was a crime. Also in the missing video is the same crime scene / forensic techs wearing the bio-suits.

Probably just the painting crew...
Don't want unsuspecting tourists to run into those pesky rocks...

 

[BUCKSHOT]

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/136581/f376f0d3/joran_op_vakantie.html%5B/img%5D

[BUCKSHOT]

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/136581/f376f0d3/joran_op_vakantie.html%5B/img%5D

Sorry...this was posted @ RU.

[Rob]

I was just told by an investigator on Bonaire that the orange coolers are used for water.

[sharon]

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/136581/f376f0d3/joran_op_vakantie.html%5B/img%5D

Sorry...this was posted @ RU.

Thanks BUCKSHOT!

Thru the google translator  Will run some of the comments thru later.

Joran on vacation

He seems very happy to have his sentence. Girl back later never seen


Rob Great eye! You will forever be remembered by me every time I see a white van 

[johan555]

rob here another one 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3445.new#new

[msmarple]

Just saying Hello, and putting on my Halloween costume ... Morning Monkeys.

[MuffyBee]

Just saying Hello, and putting on my Halloween costume ... Morning Monkeys.

Good morning msmarple.  It's hard to believe we are here and headed for another Halloween, with Natalee still not home.   

[msmarple]

Just saying Hello, and putting on my Halloween costume ... Morning Monkeys.

Good morning msmarple.  It's hard to believe we are here and headed for another Halloween, with Natalee still not home.   

MuffyB -I remember being amazed when the thread count reached #100 ...

[MumInOhio]

Caps…If you pop in, can we go over this guy again, please….I am still reading him as a suspect…And you know I am intrigued by the Rodriguez name!  Which guy do you think it is, please? Is it the tennis pro or the young guy attached to the Rodriguez name?

Dutch Investigator is the Writer/Iniator for the request on the belongings…

Posted all we had that seemed relevant….Thanks!


Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Name/Title: Reply on request to return suspects belongings
Date: 20 October 2005
Pa.gcs: 1
Writer/Initiator: J.M.A.M. Ponsioen




Jorge Sanchez…Thanks *******…

Mr. Jorge Sanchez (PTR Certified Pro)
Aruba Racquet Club

With a degree in Business Administration, Jorge decided to follow his father steps. He has been teaching tennis for the    passed 8 years and has been traveling around the world to attend the best Tennis Conferences. As the National Coach of    Aruba in 2004, his team earned the title # 1 in the Caribbean . His expertise in the modern Tennis game will help you to    reach a much higher level!.

 In the year 2002, father and son joined together to create "Sanchez Tennis Services". This school focuses on
   developing players of all ages and games of all levels and also organizes Tennis Events. Sanchez Tennis Services is well    known for developing top Junior Players of Aruba, who are able to compete at an International Level.


Aruba Racquet Club

   Tel: 5860215

   Pro's phone:

   Mr. Leonel Sanchez : 5936693

   Mr. Jorge Sanchez : 5936263

   E-mail:

   Sancheztennis@setarnet.aw

http://www.arc.aw/tennis/tennisschool.html


« Reply #3426: JE   
 
found a link that places Jorge Sanchez at the holiday inn

http://flyertalk.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-450388.html

It has some reviews of the HI one person posted

"Things to do: They have a great tennis pro (Jorge Sanchez)."



http://flyertalk.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-450388.html

Jul 8, 05, 8:06 am
Things to do: They have a great tennis pro (Jorge Sanchez). Pelican Watersports has their pier in front of the HI. Numerous opportunites for diving, snorkeling, sailing, etc.
++++


Jorge Porras Sanches

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2560

From Caps

Last Name:Porras
First Name:Jorge A   
Date of Birth:12/30/1982
Place of Birth:Caracas, Venezuela
Current Address:Rondweg 21, Aruba

The Mother is living at the same Address, there is no info on the Father


Last name:Porras Rodriguez,
Born: Sanchez
First Name: Josefa O   
Date Of Birth: 1/9/1945,
Current Address: Rondweg 21, Aruba

The problem with the name is the Sanchez.

Porros as a last name exist
 

Sanchez as a Lastname with Jorge as First name but no Porros --NONE

This name must have been made up by someone to protect something.

will check one more datamine.


NAMES…Caps

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2940

about the spanish Names:

Father: First NAME: Mario Luis
Last Name: Rodriquez Sanches

women before married : Carment Maria Sarmieneto Gonzales

women get maried to father new name : Carmen Maria Rodriquez Sarmiennto

women get a child but married to the Father

first Name : Jose Luis
Last name : Rodriquez Sanches.

women get a child but not married to the father

First Name: Jose Luis
Last Name: Rodriquez Sarmiento


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:50 pm
Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.

The Racquet club being on the other side of the pond


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.2960


Reply #2966 on: February 29, 2008, 06:20:53 PM » JE   
 
i don't know if this has been translated yet but i'll give it a shot
Article 41

1. Not accountable is he who commits an act necessary to the defense of his or someone elses body, honour or property against immediate unlawfull assault.


2. Not accountable is the transgression of the boundaries of necessary defense if this is the immediate result of emotional reactions caused by the assault.


Quote from: JE on March 09, 2008, 02:55:11 PM

it depends on how we define the fifth suspect
are witnesses suspects, do you have to be arrested to be a suspect or is anybody that has relevance to the cas a suspect?

Quote Caps

A witness is some one that has information - No Arrest
A  suspect is one that is part of the crime - Arrest
a winess/suspect is someone that has information but that information makes him a suspect - Arrest depend of others who snitch
a suspect/witness is that he is involved but snitched and now has preferential treatment.

[bastibro]