Natalee Case Discussion #770 9/20/08 - 10/04/08

[Kermit]

THANK YOU SAN
for editing my miss spelled word.
you are the best!
 

[KYcat]

"The...sonar data reveals the seabed as if it were a scroll...The numerous ROV dives are the rosetta stone for reading the great manuscript."

Remember Kyle said the evidence was taken by ALE...so where does that leave us again?  Same place as the shoe given to ALE and no one has heard from it sense.  Wonder when the witness will be taken by the ALE and never heard from again as in the other witnesses.  Hmmmmm...

The trap contents weren't sampled until the 7th of January.  Neither Tim Miller, Tim Trahan, or Dateline were on board during this time.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.720

 

Ok. So how did Kyle give the tennis shoe to FBI? 

 

[Kermit]

Hello Kermit.  Sooooooo, shoe found in pond, then put in trap.  Or shoe found in trap then put in pond.  Confusion is my middle name

The trap contents weren't sampled until the 7th of January.  Neither Tim Miller, Tim Trahan, or Dateline were on board during this time.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.720

[Kermit]

"The...sonar data reveals the seabed as if it were a scroll...The numerous ROV dives are the rosetta stone for reading the great manuscript."

Remember Kyle said the evidence was taken by ALE...so where does that leave us again?  Same place as the shoe given to ALE and no one has heard from it sense.  Wonder when the witness will be taken by the ALE and never heard from again as in the other witnesses.  Hmmmmm...

The trap contents weren't sampled until the 7th of January.  Neither Tim Miller, Tim Trahan, or Dateline were on board during this time.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.720

 

Ok. So how did Kyle give the tennis shoe to FBI? 

 

Ah Ha!

Why would Kyle have the tennis shoe. He's just a boat guy!

Now, go back and re-look at the photos and follow the trail!

[always 1]

Ok, if I look at the trap, I see a skull and a tennis shoe.  But people have also said, Natalee was in the cemetary, in the pond, in a goldmine shaft.  How many places could one body be?????

[always 1]

If I believe Natalee is in the trap, then I have to believe she was killed on the beach, my first conclusion, then hidden by the fishermen shacks, then the trap was stolen, then she was taken out in a boat and thrown in.

[Kermit]

If I believe Natalee is in the trap, then I have to believe she was killed on the beach, my first conclusion, then hidden by the fishermen shacks, then the trap was stolen, then she was taken out in a boat and thrown in.

It's only approx 15 min boat ride to the cage in the ocean.
Fits the confession
Fist the time line

[Kermit]

Hello Kermit.  Sooooooo, shoe found in pond, then put in trap.  Or shoe found in trap then put in pond.  Confusion is my middle name

The trap contents weren't sampled until the 7th of January.  Neither Tim Miller, Tim Trahan, or Dateline were on board during this time.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.720

Dave Holloway: They represent heroes to me.
 
To be sure there was no relevant evidence, material from the trap was given to the FBI.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/

Tim Miller, Tim Trahan and Dateline were not onboard!

Ain't that convenient monkeys!

 

[bleachedblack]

If I believe Natalee is in the trap, then I have to believe she was killed on the beach, my first conclusion, then hidden by the fishermen shacks, then the trap was stolen, then she was taken out in a boat and thrown in.

......another possibility is that Natalee was hidden in the mangroves that night and then taken out to sea and dumped the next night? Could the stealing of the trap and knife have been the following night? Monday night?

[finngirl]

Max Arendsz:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=69879120

Peeps = Andry Lopez
http://www.myspace.com/a_n_d_r_y


Caption: Godo, Shaniro, Me, Max on Happy Hour @ Choose-A-Name

Me in the caption is Andry.
I always wondered if Shaniro Kelly gave info to Peeps as it seems that they are good friends...

excerpts from august 1-4 2005 theory/speculation thread:

Peeps: I am the owner of Boost Unit website and the webmaster of the speedshop. I don't know what your deal is with us or anything. We don't have nor want anything to do with some stupid teens, americans, dutch, surinam or any nationality whatsoever involved with this annoying case. We don't know that teen Joran nor his 3 chocolate factory buddies. They are not of our age bracket. We are some motorsports fans and that's all there is to it.

I request you to put your detective wannabee skills into something more productive. I am just helping you out here that you'll heading towards a dead end. Just trying to save you some time. Regards to everyone.

Peeps: I knew about this site from the newspapers, plus its name is pretty "catchy". I got my monthly referrals report today (Aug 1) and what do I see? More than 50 referrals from the famous NH connected "scared monkeys". The purpose of this particular speculation forum is all good. I just don't want our names stickied on the internet,especially something that we have no part in. This is not the first time that somebody wants to connect us with the fatass dutchy.

karen: hi, peeps! no disrespect intended! just posting the trail that led to maxito, as we've been told he is lorenzo's, aka locoman's, alibi. could you share a little re lorenzo, just so we have everyone straight? maybe you can help us, & we can help you? thx!

Peeps: Maxito is one of my best friends. We go everywhere together. This rumor also spread on the street. Frankly we were pretty scared about this false accusations. Long story short, the detectives already know about this and have straightened out this false rumor. He doesn't know this guy Lorenzo. Locoman came once with his mom to the shop to get some quotations for parts for his Quad racer. that's it. We don't know locoman nor his following. Also we don't want to know anything about him. We stick to our motto " minding our own business".

---> karen: thank you, peeps! just to be sure..we are talking about the maxito arendsz, who is in his 20's? i know there is also a max arends, could that be the one they meant? i REALLY appreciate you taking the time to answer.

Peeps: He's 26. The same as me. He's the same person. Maxito = Little Max in papiamento. A childhood name that got stuck till now. I just notified one of the detectives again about this piece, just in case some false accusations come up. Just taking precautions. If there are more questions I can ask [answer] them as far as I can. You can put a separate thread or something or email.

karen: hey peeps! do you know if locoman is known to hang out at casinos? also, is it true his dad committed suicide a coupla yrs ago?

Peeps: His dad owned the Volkswagen dealership here. He killed himself a couple of years ago, that's correct. The dealership is still there, but I don't know if they still have it or whatnot. locoman has a lot of money, but rumors have it that he's misusing the money. I think he doesn't even has to work for the rest of his life. locoman has 2 houses, and i got to know that he use(d) to throw some heavy parties at his homes. That's how much I know. I have no clue if he frequents the casinos / hotels.

jozee: I thought Lorenzo and locoman were two different people. Lorenzo is someone who we don't have a pic of, although several people think it's the guy with the blonde dredlocks. Locoman is a dark island-looking person? Am I wrong? I'd like to know who is Alexxx the ax guy! And why does he carry around an ax?

Peeps: Ok. Locoman, no clue who he is. Lorenzo, saw him once. He's a tall Dutch looking fellow. You guys know more about him than me I see. You only need a pic of him.

I hear Shango: If Peeps is from aruba, and goes "everywhere" with Maxito...perhaps Peeps will tell us how the party was that night.

Peeps: We don't go to tourist places. As a matter of fact we haven't been to Carlos and Charlies this year even. We are over that type of party stage. You're beginning to sound like the dumb blonde Nancy Disgrace, simma downa.

I hear Shango: I didn't ask if you went to tourist place..I asked about the party...and before you call me dumb....you should think twice...I have just proven myself smarter than the entire LE....and many others in Aruba.

Peeps: Ok, Another smart comment in there but whatever floats your party boat is fine with me. Dunno what party, like all other questions you've asked me: Not Applicable. Another FYI, the Mansurs are one of the wealthiest families on the island, and also with many business related stories as you will find out sooner or later in your quest. Go fetch.

Peeps: Grasshopper sees the tip of the Iceberg and thinks deeply........" I think that's the whole Iceberg". Ok, enough busting I hear shango's balls. I really don't think the Mansur will connect you to NH case. They have extensive shady practices but I don't foresee any connection. Karen, you see what I mean. I am a native. I know as many other islanders about the M's. Alot of which are not on the web. Now I get an internet worm who just found last week what Aruba is, telling me he/she has everything. We are laughing so hard at this that we are having headaches.

karen: i hear ya, peeps, i get the headaches, too! won't you pleez tell us some lorenzo stories??

rockyroads: oh magic crystal ball - i see some arrests

I hear Shango: Peeps...I see the whole iceberg...better run....unless you are a VERY good swimmer...

Peeps: I hear Shango, My applogies to you for being rude. Sometimes it's needed to get the point across, and it's my favourite tool. No hard feelings.

3 weeks later/august 25:

---> Peeps: Alright guys, I just found out a little detail: There are 2 Max's on the island. But....the difference lies in the last name: Max Arends - @20 years old. And associated with Joran. Max Arendsz - 26 years old. Owner of the Speed Shop and has no clue who Joran and his posse is. Somehow, the names got mixed up and misleading info spread like wild fire. Anyhow, back on topic.

Peeps: From my uber reliable source, the local detectives searched his house twice already, but what to do if you can't find anything.

The police know about the parties, etc etc. And they also agree that LVR is a little kwak kwak in the head.
Anyhow, I got this pic from a source of mine, which I think will be the only pic you'll be able to find of him.
This is from his van, and guess who's driving.

So there, I helped you guys a little. I hope I don't get shafted like many helpful Arubians have been misused / abused in the past by los americanos.

http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7466/piwannabee6fq.jpg

Don't ask me for more.
Don't ask me for higher resolution.
Don't ask me for bigger pictures.
I still stand by my opinion that you guys are losing your time with this fellow.
See you next time.
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there were at least 2 people posting as Peeps ...
we never figured out who the other one was

the brown building visible behind LvR's van
is the Chalet Suisse restaurant
so we know where the photo op was staged


http://www.restaurantsaruba.com/view_review.html?rest_id=12
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sandraK: Lorenzo's Dad had a VW   Dealership.. He is dead.sadly..He runs with. Max Arendsz &  Orlando Bello .From the Aruba Speed Stop...A Kinda Strange Dude.. but harmless...  SM's think he has something to do with this.. Cops Been all over him.. He's not involved...

MisGivings: Is this the 'rave' guy? And, wasn't some of Natalee's clothing found in his basement?

sandraK: No clothes were found...!! Nothing

jozee: SandraK, So Lorenzo runs with the guys from the Speed Shop?? I thought Peeps said he only met him once??

sandraK: and ???

jozee: ...and back at ya...if he met him once how does he run with them?

sandraK: I didn't know Peeps was Max Arendsz....I'm Sorry..   

jozee: SandraK, I don't believe he is Max...if you are to believe what he says they are best friends...just do a search on Peeps posts and you can see for yourself. He came here after a bunch of Monkeys hit on the speed shop during research. I don't know if he posts anymore....

sandraK: WE  PM 

[GrannyToad]

Howcome Kermie got a fly and I didn't?  

[Kermit]

If I believe Natalee is in the trap, then I have to believe she was killed on the beach, my first conclusion, then hidden by the fishermen shacks, then the trap was stolen, then she was taken out in a boat and thrown in.

......another possibility is that Natalee was hidden in the mangroves that night and then taken out to sea and dumped the next night? Could the stealing of the trap and knife have been the following night? Monday night?

Fishermen witnessed the break-in that night wasn't it?

Most likely disposal was that night.
Evidence hidden next night.

[Kermit]

Howcome Kermie got a fly and I didn't?  

MOMMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[always 1]

Howcome Kermie got a fly and I didn't?  

MOMMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KYcat]

Hello Kermit.  Sooooooo, shoe found in pond, then put in trap.  Or shoe found in trap then put in pond.  Confusion is my middle name

The trap contents weren't sampled until the 7th of January.  Neither Tim Miller, Tim Trahan, or Dateline were on board during this time.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.720

Dave Holloway: They represent heroes to me.
 
To be sure there was no relevant evidence, material from the trap was given to the FBI.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/

Tim Miller, Tim Trahan and Dateline were not onboard!

Ain't that convenient monkeys!

 

So is Dave, Beth, and Tim Miller aware of the outcome of the forensic testing of the crab trap contents now? 

 

[always 1]

Ok, if I take this to be the gospel, then are you thinking it was only Joran and the Suriname boys and not any of the elders?  Where does the party at the Matty Apartments fit in?  What about Paulas????

[wreck]

I have ALWAYS thought something was found in that trap. WHEN it was put there -- I don't know.

[KYcat]

Is anybody else as confused as I am right now?   There seems to be two scenarios going on ........  (1)  the crab trap (2) on land in a cemetery which includes the partygoers, Matty apts., Paulus.

 

[Kermit]

I have ALWAYS thought something was found in that trap. WHEN it was put there -- I don't know.

March 20, 2008, 01:18:50 PM
private eye posted at SM»
Kyle- I emailed Beth your concerns and have suggested to her that she contact the appropriate people on the Persistence, including yourself, and attempt to reconcile as best they can the material the crew saw recovered from the cage versus what they received. I specifically mentioned the blue denim and the fact that would be the material of which the skirt was made, and reminded her that the press release said that the material did not match her blouse. I also pointed out that in the December 30 photo there appeared to be a skull and in the January 7,



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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #761 6/26 -
« Reply #235 on: Today at 09:13:20 AM »


Did the Monkeys ever get an answer to the analysis of the material found in the cage by the Persistence, but removed and secured by the Arubans? In Particular, the material that appeared to be blue denim?
scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2979.220

[Kermit]