Natalee Case Discussion #770 9/20/08 - 10/04/08

[SS]

This one is for you GrannyToad.  You've been a nice toad today and you look hungry.

[always 1]

What about me??  Ive been good?

[wreck]

What about me??  Ive been good?

You get a chuckierat! 

[always 1]

What about me??  Ive been good?

You get a chuckierat! 

Gulp, thanks Wreck!!

[Nut44x4]

This is a recent photograph of Max Arends (Eyebrows) with his grandfather.  This Max Arends was one of the Pimps.

I had a picture of Max with camera equipment  somewhere

I remember the pix....it is not on here though>
They Call me Max, I'm 21 now finally legal in the United States! I'm very dedicated to my degree which is an A.S. degree for Digital Media. When finished I will be transfering to UCF so I could finish my A.A. in Business Managment. I love Aruba! I had lived 20 years there, enjoying my life there to the fullest.
http://www.hi5.com/friend/660388--Max--Profile-html

[SS]

I was gone for the afternoon, but I'm back.

OK Kermie, I'm staying focused.  I don't want to stack the quotes, but I've been reading your first photos of the Holiday Inn and Urine's statements.  He was telling his friends and the MB girls that he would try to go to C&Cs that night.  It was Sunday night, so he must have been at the Holiday Inn outdoor bar late Sunday afternoon or early evening.  This was not the same day that Elizabeth Cain saw Natalee talking to a local man at the bar.  That was Saturday.  This local man is the one who I suspect is our 5th - the one who actually killed Natalee (if we believe Shango, Simian, and the rest of them).

Kyle described the day when the Dutch ship took the contents of the cage.  TES had identified the cage back in December and had notified Dave.  They lost a few weeks recovering the contents because they were sidetracked by someone who said that Natalee's body had been given to some drug dealers to dispose of in South America.  Tim and Dave checked the guy out and planned to meet him on the designated beach, but the guy never showed up.  The Persistence wasn't searching the day that ALE and the Dutch took the trap contents, so Kyle was watching from the beach.  For two days in a row, the coast guard ship went to the area where the crab trap was located and they confiscated the contents.  The Americans were given a fabric for analysis at Quantico.  According to the FBI report that we saw, the fabric did not match the fabric from Natalee's blouse.  It didn't say anything about denim.  We never received any further information about anything from the crab trap.

According to Kyle, the pond was scanned based on a tip.  We have pictures.  The sonar equipment identified objects.  Kyle told us that he receommended that the pond be drained in order to further examine the objects.  In the beginning of March, Chavez started acting up which was followed by the big strike.  Supposedly they couldn't drain the pond because the fire trucks were needed for the strike.  We learned that 40-50 Dutch forensic specialists arrived on the island with dogs that were trained for cadavers, drugs, and money.  The pond was chained off and suddenly drained.  We received pictures of the drained pond and the area that was scraped away next to the bucket.  We heard nothing about the results of the search until a while ago when Jossy stated that a shoe had been found in the pond.  ALE denied that the pond had been searched.  Was it Urine's shoe or Natalee's sandal? 

If Natalee is in the Masonic Lodge cemetery and her skull was in the crab trap, then she would have to be in two places??? 

[Nut44x4]

What made the Persistence crew check the Monserrat dam area?  Was the search used to distract from the ocean?   

It has always been my opinion that was just another distraction.

[Ree]

What made the Persistence crew check the Monserrat dam area?  Was the search used to distract from the ocean?   

It has always been my opinion that was just another distraction.

Wouldn't this have been right around the time Jossy's current witness came forward?

[bastibro]

Now he`s hiding . .

 Jail is his place!

Goodnight Monkey`s

[SS]

What made the Persistence crew check the Monserrat dam area?  Was the search used to distract from the ocean?   

It has always been my opinion that was just another distraction.

Wouldn't this have been right around the time Jossy's current witness came forward?

If I recall, Jossy's witness came forward in December of 2007, which was a few months prior to the pond being searched.

[Blonde]

[Blonde]

Well CNN thinks it's PVS
CNN.com - Judge arrested in Aruba case - Jun 23, 2005
Jun 23, 2005 ... Judge arrested in Aruba case. Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. ... Natalee Holloway's aunt, Marcia Twitty, said her family was "very ...

[Blonde]

Judge arrested in Aruba case
Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. teen's disappearance

Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m. EDT (02:01 GMT)
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- An Aruban judge, the father of a 17-year-old suspect in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, also has been arrested in the case, the island's police commissioner said Thursday.


http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html

[Nut44x4]

Well CNN thinks it's PVS
CNN.com - Judge arrested in Aruba case - Jun 23, 2005
Jun 23, 2005 ... Judge arrested in Aruba case. Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. ... Natalee Holloway's aunt, Marcia Twitty, said her family was "very ...

It has always been my opinion that Paulus was #5

[GrannyToad]

Toady grabs a napkin and straw and diet Dr Pepper and ketchup, knife and fork and digs in! "Thanks, SS!"

This one is for you GrannyToad.  You've been a nice toad today and you look hungry.

[Lala'sMom]

Well CNN thinks it's PVS
CNN.com - Judge arrested in Aruba case - Jun 23, 2005
Jun 23, 2005 ... Judge arrested in Aruba case. Fifth suspect in custody after U.S. ... Natalee Holloway's aunt, Marcia Twitty, said her family was "very ...

Yes, CNN said he was the 5th person arrested...but Mum found information that leads one to believe there was already two people before him arrested...one being Steve Croes and an unidentified other person.  Which could also be the 5th.  Remember Armin...I mean Simian...was working from info that was known on Aruba and among the ALE and not what we were hearing.  It it confusing...also to believe Paulus was the the 5th that meant he was at his house with friends at a party of some type and was Natalee's boyfriend at some point within the first 3 days.  I have a problem with Natalee being remotely interested in Paulus for any reason...but that is just me.  I also think Simian's reference to "boyfriend" was to mean a male friend that was flirting with her...so that could have been Paulus...it is that "earlier in the week"  and "party at his house"  that gets me every time...I would love to know what the family thinks as to Paulus being the 5th...but they don't study Shango like we do.

[Lala'sMom]

I was gone for the afternoon, but I'm back.

OK Kermie, I'm staying focused.  I don't want to stack the quotes, but I've been reading your first photos of the Holiday Inn and Urine's statements.  He was telling his friends and the MB girls that he would try to go to C&Cs that night.  It was Sunday night, so he must have been at the Holiday Inn outdoor bar late Sunday afternoon or early evening.  This was not the same day that Elizabeth Cain saw Natalee talking to a local man at the bar.  That was Saturday.  This local man is the one who I suspect is our 5th - the one who actually killed Natalee (if we believe Shango, Simian, and the rest of them).  Where are you getting the one who actually killed Natalee? 

Kyle described the day when the Dutch ship took the contents of the cage.  TES had identified the cage back in December and had notified Dave.  They lost a few weeks recovering the contents because they were sidetracked by someone who said that Natalee's body had been given to some drug dealers to dispose of in South America.  Tim and Dave checked the guy out and planned to meet him on the designated beach, but the guy never showed up.  The Persistence wasn't searching the day that ALE and the Dutch took the trap contents, so Kyle was watching from the beach.  For two days in a row, the coast guard ship went to the area where the crab trap was located and they confiscated the contents.  The Americans were given a fabric for analysis at Quantico.  According to the FBI report that we saw, the fabric did not match the fabric from Natalee's blouse.  It didn't say anything about denim.  We never received any further information about anything from the crab trap. Where is this report?  Do we have a copy of it? 

According to Kyle, the pond was scanned based on a tip.  We have pictures.  The sonar equipment identified objects.  Kyle told us that he receommended that the pond be drained in order to further examine the objects.  In the beginning of March, Chavez started acting up which was followed by the big strike.  Supposedly they couldn't drain the pond because the fire trucks were needed for the strike.  We learned that 40-50 Dutch forensic specialists arrived on the island with dogs that were trained for cadavers, drugs, and money.  The pond was chained off and suddenly drained.  We received pictures of the drained pond and the area that was scraped away next to the bucket.  We heard nothing about the results of the search until a while ago when Jossy stated that a shoe had been found in the pond.  ALE denied that the pond had been searched.  Was it Urine's shoe or Natalee's sandal?  Actually, OM said they did not drain the pond...does not mean they didn't know it was being drained.

If Natalee is in the Masonic Lodge cemetery and her skull was in the crab trap, then she would have to be in two places???  What was the final report on that trap anyway?  Do we even know?

Thanks for answering when you have time.

[SS]

I was gone for the afternoon, but I'm back.

OK Kermie, I'm staying focused.  I don't want to stack the quotes, but I've been reading your first photos of the Holiday Inn and Urine's statements.  He was telling his friends and the MB girls that he would try to go to C&Cs that night.  It was Sunday night, so he must have been at the Holiday Inn outdoor bar late Sunday afternoon or early evening.  This was not the same day that Elizabeth Cain saw Natalee talking to a local man at the bar.  That was Saturday.  This local man is the one who I suspect is our 5th - the one who actually killed Natalee (if we believe Shango, Simian, and the rest of them).  Where are you getting the one who actually killed Natalee? 

Kyle described the day when the Dutch ship took the contents of the cage.  TES had identified the cage back in December and had notified Dave.  They lost a few weeks recovering the contents because they were sidetracked by someone who said that Natalee's body had been given to some drug dealers to dispose of in South America.  Tim and Dave checked the guy out and planned to meet him on the designated beach, but the guy never showed up.  The Persistence wasn't searching the day that ALE and the Dutch took the trap contents, so Kyle was watching from the beach.  For two days in a row, the coast guard ship went to the area where the crab trap was located and they confiscated the contents.  The Americans were given a fabric for analysis at Quantico.  According to the FBI report that we saw, the fabric did not match the fabric from Natalee's blouse.  It didn't say anything about denim.  We never received any further information about anything from the crab trap. Where is this report?  Do we have a copy of it? 

According to Kyle, the pond was scanned based on a tip.  We have pictures.  The sonar equipment identified objects.  Kyle told us that he receommended that the pond be drained in order to further examine the objects.  In the beginning of March, Chavez started acting up which was followed by the big strike.  Supposedly they couldn't drain the pond because the fire trucks were needed for the strike.  We learned that 40-50 Dutch forensic specialists arrived on the island with dogs that were trained for cadavers, drugs, and money.  The pond was chained off and suddenly drained.  We received pictures of the drained pond and the area that was scraped away next to the bucket.  We heard nothing about the results of the search until a while ago when Jossy stated that a shoe had been found in the pond.  ALE denied that the pond had been searched.  Was it Urine's shoe or Natalee's sandal?  Actually, OM said they did not drain the pond...does not mean they didn't know it was being drained.

If Natalee is in the Masonic Lodge cemetery and her skull was in the crab trap, then she would have to be in two places???  What was the final report on that trap anyway?  Do we even know?

Thanks for answering when you have time.

I am referring to the fifth as the one who did the damage to Natalee.

The only FBI report that I am aware of is a newspaper article from Quantico where they gave the results of the tests on the fabric.  The said that it didn't match the shirt fabric that she was wearing.  The article is way back in Shango somewhere.  It wasn't a big article - just a few paragraphs.  I don't think we ever saw a summary of anything about what was found in the trap.

Who would have drained the pond if ALE and the Dutch didn't do it?

Bananas.

[KYcat]

"The...sonar data reveals the seabed as if it were a scroll...The numerous ROV dives are the rosetta stone for reading the great manuscript."

Remember Kyle said the evidence was taken by ALE...so where does that leave us again?  Same place as the shoe given to ALE and no one has heard from it sense.  Wonder when the witness will be taken by the ALE and never heard from again as in the other witnesses.  Hmmmmm...

The trap contents weren't sampled until the 7th of January.  Neither Tim Miller, Tim Trahan, or Dateline were on board during this time.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.720

 

Ok. So how did Kyle give the tennis shoe to FBI? 

 

Ah Ha!

Why would Kyle have the tennis shoe. He's just a boat guy!

Now, go back and re-look at the photos and follow the trail!

LaLas    Do you have thought on this? 

 

[vms]

Not sure if anyone has posted this already...

Apparently, Koen and Sander are both still in GA and attending Gainesville State.
http://ezleagues.ezfacility.com/team.aspx?team_id=341980