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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #460 on: September 23, 2008, 06:56:31 PM »

Another company was given permission to search the pond for Vincent Tromp also, I believe the name of it was EcoTech or something like that.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #461 on: September 23, 2008, 06:58:47 PM »

Beth looks very pretty....and yes, Peter is hot, lol.
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« Reply #462 on: September 23, 2008, 07:00:45 PM »

caesu or another Dutch poster:

Debbie at BFN posted this  (you will need to click the pdf link when you go to the link).  I believe it is the explanation of why the Dutch prosecutors will not be able to be involved with the Natalee case.  Could you please tell me what it says?  Something about their only job is drugs and money launderering...they cannot be involved in homicide. etc.  That needs to be Aruban??  TIA

http://www.om.nl/algemene_onderdelen/uitgebreid_zoeken/@143437/opportuun_maart_2008/
(Click on the PDF link on this page)

One more thing...if this is true...then who is the "Aruban" prosecutor that is really responsible for this case?  Is Hans Mos only a mouthpiece and taking direction from an Aruban?


If this is the case they need to quit sending their losers to Aruba. The Prosecutors and Dutch judges they have sent to the Netherland Antilles are quickly corrupted by the lure of drug money and the laundering that goes with it. Every one of them has proven to be ineffective. There hasn't been a single Dutch person sent to that island that hasn't been a loser.

I agree with bastibro, Holland should have taken command a long tiome ago. The judiciary in Holland should have realized the first week that Paulus had worked and gained the acquaintance of every judge in the three islands. That horseshit about bring judges in from Curacao was just that, HORSESHIT. Paulus' good friend Van der Straten is assigned as lead investigator on the case. That's HORSESHIT. Paulus' best friend Ben Vocking works for Prosecutor Jannsen and takes off for two weeks openly declaring he wants to help his good friend Paulus. That's HORSESHIT.

If Holland is going to send these people to Aruba they need to take some ownership into what they are doing.
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« Reply #463 on: September 23, 2008, 07:01:50 PM »

Been reading around.  One of my favorites...posted by all10suspects at RU:

I am glad Peter won. It was good that Beth was at the awards.
Maybe when RG wins Anita will be at that show.


 
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« Reply #464 on: September 23, 2008, 07:02:23 PM »

Beth looks very pretty....and yes, Peter is hot, lol.

Yes i think she`s very pretty to Nut, just like sweetheart Natalee was
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« Reply #465 on: September 23, 2008, 07:04:07 PM »


       Great Work


Fantastic! Am happy for both.
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« Reply #466 on: September 23, 2008, 07:04:40 PM »

caesu or another Dutch poster:

Debbie at BFN posted this  (you will need to click the pdf link when you go to the link).  I believe it is the explanation of why the Dutch prosecutors will not be able to be involved with the Natalee case.  Could you please tell me what it says?  Something about their only job is drugs and money launderering...they cannot be involved in homicide. etc.  That needs to be Aruban??  TIA

http://www.om.nl/algemene_onderdelen/uitgebreid_zoeken/@143437/opportuun_maart_2008/
(Click on the PDF link on this page)

One more thing...if this is true...then who is the "Aruban" prosecutor that is really responsible for this case?  Is Hans Mos only a mouthpiece and taking direction from an Aruban?


If this is the case they need to quit sending their losers to Aruba. The Prosecutors and Dutch judges they have sent to the Netherland Antilles are quickly corrupted by the lure of drug money and the laundering that goes with it. Every one of them has proven to be ineffective. There hasn't been a single Dutch person sent to that island that hasn't been a loser.

I agree with bastibro, Holland should have taken command a long tiome ago. The judiciary in Holland should have realized the first week that Paulus had worked and gained the acquaintance of every judge in the three islands. That horseshit about bring judges in from Curacao was just that, HORSESHIT. Paulus' good friend Van der Straten is assigned as lead investigator on the case. That's HORSESHIT. Paulus' best friend Ben Vocking works for Prosecutor Jannsen and takes off for two weeks openly declaring he wants to help his good friend Paulus. That's HORSESHIT.

If Holland is going to send these people to Aruba they need to take some ownership into what they are doing.


I agree.  The question is...can they take over the investigation?...if not...who is really in charge of this??  I want a real name.  Why even credit Mos with anything if he is ordered to talk and behave a certain way...Sheesh...
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« Reply #467 on: September 23, 2008, 07:04:43 PM »

Been reading around.  One of my favorites...posted by all10suspects at RU:

I am glad Peter won. It was good that Beth was at the awards.
Maybe when RG wins Anita will be at that show.


 

LOL right, having her k-swiss on
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« Reply #468 on: September 23, 2008, 07:05:58 PM »

Beth looks very pretty....and yes, Peter is hot, lol.

 

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« Reply #469 on: September 23, 2008, 07:11:30 PM »

Here is the translation of the first Diario article...

Top article on page 3…

JORAN SEEN FULL OF MUD WALKING NEAR THE Dam WITH ONLY ONE TENNIS SHOE
ON HIS FEET…

THE DAM AT MONSERAT GETTING NEW ATTENTION IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

ORANJESTAD (AAN) Perhaps many will say today that God is great, and in
a meticulous way does His work so that every crime has hidden clues so
that the solution may be reached. Today it has gone so far that DIARIO
can reveal officially to the people that at last a masculine witness
has come forward.

   This witness felt he could no longer hold back, and at last gave
his complete declaration as to what he saw at the end of May 2005, at
4'oclock in the morning, from the window of his living room.

Due to his fear of reprisals, he only gave to the local authorities a
parcial statement, in other words that he saw Joran walk past his
house at 4:05 a.m. , walking strangely because he only had one tennis
shoe on.

   The local authorities, principally Prosecutor Mr. Mos, was acting
very hostile towards this witness, and that made the witness hold back
the totality of his story to him as to what happened.

   Nevertheless, with the American investigators and to his lawyer he
gave the complete story, not just the part regarding Joran alone.
Parts of the complete story will appear later in the DIARIO.

   But, the first aspect of the story of this witness, immediately
created suspicion by the Americans. Even though he lives at about 1.9
kilometers from the Fishermen Huts, his declaration can have important
implications to complete this big puzzle.

   The Americans wanted more assurances and asked the witness to
travel to the United States, where one of the most trusted experts in
Polygraph  Examinations, the famous John S. Swastz, made the test with
him, to determine whether this Aruban witness was lying.

   He passed all the examinations perfectly, and John Swartz is
convinced that this witness is telling the truth about what he saw at
4 a.m. in front of his house.

   Even though Prosecutor Mr. Mos and also the Van Der Sloot family,
want to or not, this gives a complete turnaround in the whole
investigation. Today    DIARIO focuses on the first part of the
declaration of the witness. What is being published today is what the
local authority (e.o. Prosecutor Mos) know from him, since they have
his signed declaration.

   But the next publication which will appear in the DIARIO, will
reveal more than the authorities in Aruba know. This is something that
the local witness did not dare tell the local detectives nor to the
prosecution that received him in the beginning. He was too afraid to
do so. But, to the Americans he did give his complete declaration, and
he passed a Lie-Detector test in the United States to prove that he
was telling the truth.


Main article on page 3 (bottom)

JORAN'S CLOTHES WERE FULL OF MUD WHEN HE WAS WALKING NEAR THE DAM AT MONSERAT

First part of the new revelations by the witness

ORANJESTAD(AAN) A new witness who has proven to be speaking the truth,
is bringing the long-awaited clarity in the disappearance of Natalee
Holloway in May 2005 in Aruba. At last, after studying the new
revelations of the witness during the last few months, now DIARIO has
gotten the results back from the U.S. about the first part of his
declaration.

   DIARIO again wants to put emphasis on the fact that Prosecutor Mos
has knowledge of this part, but doesn't  know what he did with it.
The
second part which will appear soon in the DIARIO contains information
that the Prosecution of Aruba has no knowledge of at this point,
simply because every time the witness gave his declaration he was
pushed into a corner of fear for reprisals.

   This witness, a man born in Aruba, went to the United States where
he took and passed a polygraph test successfully.

   THE WITNESS SPEAKS:

   It was on the night of the 30th of May2005 that he was asleep in
his room at his house, when he was awoken by the sound of numerous
dogs barking out of control and in very menacing tones.

The witness opened his eyes, looked at the watch and saw that it was
4:05 in the morning.

   Listening to the direction from which the sounds of the dogs were
coming, he went to the living room of his house and observed what the
dogs were barking at with such urgency.

   Under a street lamp he saw a person walking in the direction of his
house. He was coming from the sports field of Nacional, near the Dam
of Monserat, going in the direction of the hotels.  The person on foot
passed under the following street lamp and the witness saw the person
very well and clearly. He was a notably tall, thin, masculine, white
skin, short dark hair, a relatively young man who looked like a
Dutchman.

   He also saw the form (profile) of his head and one side of his face.

   The clothes he had on was a red tee shirt and long clear colored pants .

   Remarcable was that this person was walking with a limp, and here
is where the witness saw that he lacked one tennis shoe. He calculated
that from the way he was walking, he was missing the tennis shoes of
his right foot.

   Another thing that he noticed was that the person was breathing
heavily, as if he had been running for quite a while. His chest was
heaving up and down rapidly.
CLOTHES WERE WET

   The witness continued to declare (and proved with his test that he
was telling the truth) that the man he saw had on wet clothes, and had
a notable stripe of muddy waters that reached to his chest, about 5
centimeters more or less over his flannel.

   The stripe on his flannel showed clearly that from the muddy waters
going down his clothes were completely wet.

   At first the witness thought that this person had beenin a fight
and ran away so as not to receive any more blows. The side of his face
that the witness noticed, however, did not show any signs of blood or
blows.  But, due to the fact that the person did not once look over
his shoulder to check if anyone was following him, and continued to
walk with his head down and, with accelerated velocity, the witness
thought that he was involved in something else and not in a fight.

   The person continued to walk in front of his house until he lost
him from sight, and in no instance did the man look up or back, and
continued to walk in the direction of the hotels.

   All this happened in about 1 minute.

   After he lost the person from sight, the witness sat in his living
room for about 15 to 20 minutes before he went back to sleep.

   (DIARIO COMMENT: Here something else happened, that the witness did
not reveal to the local authorities, but well to the American
investigators. In our next publication DIARIO will reveal what else
the witness saw that eventful morning. The Polygraph test he took
proved that here too he was telling the truth!)

   The witness woke up and went to his work at about 11: a.m. Then the
news about Natalee's disappearance was on the radio and he found out
that there was a tourst teenager who did not make it back to her
hotel. He immediately remembered what he saw a few hours earlier

After the news became bigger, and they began to arrest the wrong
persons, the witness felt discouraged to come forward, and after he
saw that the young man Joran van der Sloot in the news, he recognized
him immediately as the person he saw walking past his home.

After he found out that the father of the man was a lawyer and
studying to become a judge, and that he was an intimate friend of a
high ranking police officer, he felt totally discouraged to come
forward with what he saw.

ON top of that, knowing that the Aruban judicial system is totally in
the hands of the Dutch, he forced himself to keep quiet. This lasted
for over 2 years, until the end of 2007, when he felt he had to tell
about what he saw, and so he came forward slowly, to explain what he
saw in front of his house, which is situated at about 500 meters from
the Dam of Monserat at Noord

He also got himself a lawyer, because the case was so big and he needed advice.

In the meantime, the Americans, with police permission, made a sonar
test of the Dam of Monserat in the beginning of this year, when the
level of the water was low. DIARIO has found out that this test
discovered 15 objects of interest and that they could define only 3 of
them.

IN another article, DIARIO will show how Prosecutor Mos paid little
attention to this witness and on the contrary, tried to discredit him.
This makes you wonder: Is it true that they want to protect van der
Sloot cost what it may?

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« Reply #470 on: September 23, 2008, 07:17:13 PM »

This is Red's Front Page post about the first Diario article.


Natalee Holloway Investigation: Exclusive … Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch in Aruba to meet With ALE/Prosecutor … New Witness That Puts Joran & Paulus Van der Sloot Near Ponds on 5/30/05
 
Is it possible that this is the break and the witness that the family of Natalee Holloway has been looking for the past 3+ years? Could this finally be the break that provided “Justice for Natalee”.

We just recieved a call from Tim Miller of Texas Equusearch. Tim is presently in Aruba and planning to meet with the Aruban prosecutor and the ALE. It appears that there is a new witness that has come forward that has placed Joran Van der Sloot in wet and muddy clothing out at 4:00am on 5/30/05. The 48 year old Aruban witness also places Paulus Van der Sloot at the scene picking up Joran in a red jeep.

Why is this witness potentially credible? The Aruban passed two polygraph tests in Houston, TX on August 5, 2008. The tests were performed by John Swartz of John Swartz & Associates, International Polygraph Examiners. The 48 year old Aruba, name withheld for obvious reasons, went to police early on in the investigation; however, was not taken seriously. He is also claimed to have spoke with Hans Mos. Whether an actual police report exists of the witness is unknown.

Read the following English translation from Diario regarding the new witness, what he has stated what he saw that fateful night that Natalee Holloway went missing. Remember, this witness has passed two polygraph tests.

To discuss the case and get more updates go to Scared Monkeys.net: Natalee Holloway Forum.



JORAN SEEN FULL OF MUD WALKING NEAR THE DAM WITH ONLY ONE TENNIS SHOE ON HIS FEET… (Diario)

THE DAM AT MONSERAT GETTING NEW ATTENTION IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

ORANJESTAD (AAN) Perhaps many will say today that God is great, and in
a meticulous way does His work so that every crime has hidden clues so
that the solution may be reached. Today it has gone so far that DIARIO
can reveal officially to the people that at last a masculine witness
has come forward.

This witness felt he could no longer hold back, and at last gave
his complete declaration as to what he saw at the end of May 2005, at
4′oclock in the morning, from the window of his living room.


 

Due to his fear of reprisals, he only gave to the local authorities a
partial statement, in other words that he saw Joran walk past his
house at 4:05 a.m. , walking strangely because he only had one tennis
shoe on.

The local authorities, principally Prosecutor Mr. Mos, was acting
very hostile towards this witness, and that made the witness hold back
the totality of his story to him as to what happened.

Nevertheless, with the American investigators and to his lawyer he
gave the complete story, not just the part regarding Joran alone.
Parts of the complete story will appear later in the DIARIO.

But, the first aspect of the story of this witness, immediately
created suspicion by the Americans. Even though he lives at about 1.9
kilometers from the Fishermen Huts, his declaration can have important
implications to complete this big puzzle.

The Americans wanted more assurances and asked the witness to
travel to the United States, where one of the most trusted experts in
Polygraph  Examinations, the famous John S. Swastz, made the test with
him, to determine whether this Aruban witness was lying.

He passed all the examinations perfectly, and John Swartz is
convinced that this witness is telling the truth about what he saw at
4 a.m. in front of his house.

Even though Prosecutor Mr. Mos and also the Van Der Sloot family,
want to or not, this gives a complete turnaround in the whole
investigation. Today    DIARIO focuses on the first part of the
declaration of the witness. What is being published today is what the
local authority (e.o. Prosecutor Mos) know from him, since they have
his signed declaration.

But the next publication which will appear in the DIARIO, will
reveal more than the authorities in Aruba know. This is something that
the local witness did not dare tell the local detectives nor to the
prosecution that received him in the beginning. He was too afraid to
do so. But, to the Americans he did give his complete declaration, and
he passed a Lie-Detector test in the United States to prove that he
was telling the truth.

JORAN’S CLOTHES WERE FULL OF MUD WHEN HE WAS WALKING NEAR THE DAM AT MONSERAT

First part of the new revelations by the witness

ORANJESTAD(AAN) A new witness who has proven to be speaking the truth,
is bringing the long-awaited clarity in the disappearance of Natalee
Holloway in May 2005 in Aruba. At last, after studying the new
revelations of the witness during the last few months, now DIARIO has
gotten the results back from the U.S. about the first part of his
declaration.

DIARIO again wants to put emphasis on the fact that Prosecutor Mos
has knowledge of this part, but doesn’t  know what he did with it. The
second part which will appear soon in the DIARIO contains information
that the Prosecution of Aruba has no knowledge of at this point,
simply because every time the witness gave his declaration he was
pushed into a corner of fear for reprisals.

This witness, a man born in Aruba, went to the United States where
he took and passed a polygraph test successfully.

THE WITNESS SPEAKS:

 It was on the night of the 30th of May2005 that he was asleep in
his room at his house, when he was awoke by the sound of numerous
dogs barking out of control and in very menacing tones.

The witness opened his eyes, looked at the watch and saw that it was
4:05 in the morning.

 Listening to the direction from which the sounds of the dogs were
coming, he went to the living room of his house and observed what the
dogs were barking at with such urgency.

Under a street lamp he saw a person walking in the direction of his
house. He was coming from the sports field of Nacional, near the Dam
of Monserat, going in the direction of the hotels.  The person on foot
passed under the following street lamp and the witness saw the person
very well and clearly. He was a notably tall, thin, masculine, white
skin, short dark hair, a relatively young man who looked like a
Dutchman.

He also saw the form (profile) of his head and one side of his face.

The clothes he had on was a red tee shirt and long clear colored pants .

Remarkable was that this person was walking with a limp, and here
is where the witness saw that he lacked one tennis shoe. He calculated
that from the way he was walking, he was missing the tennis shoes of
his right foot.

 Another thing that he noticed was that the person was breathing
heavily, as if he had been running for quite a while. His chest was
heaving up and down rapidly.
CLOTHES WERE WET

The witness continued to declare (and proved with his test that he
was telling the truth) that the man he saw had on wet clothes, and had
a notable stripe of muddy waters that reached to his chest, about 5
centimeters more or less over his flannel.

The stripe on his flannel showed clearly that from the muddy waters
going down his clothes were completely wet.

At first the witness thought that this person had been in a fight
and ran away so as not to receive any more blows. The side of his face
that the witness noticed, however, did not show any signs of blood or
blows.  But, due to the fact that the person did not once look over
his shoulder to check if anyone was following him, and continued to
walk with his head down and, with accelerated velocity, the witness
thought that he was involved in something else and not in a fight.

 The person continued to walk in front of his house until he lost
him from sight, and in no instance did the man look up or back, and
continued to walk in the direction of the hotels.

All this happened in about 1 minute.

After he lost the person from sight, the witness sat in his living
room for about 15 to 20 minutes before he went back to sleep.

DIARIO COMMENT: Here something else happened, that the witness did
not reveal to the local authorities, but well to the American
investigators. In our next publication DIARIO will reveal what else
the witness saw that eventful morning. The Polygraph test he took
proved that here too he was telling the truth!)

The witness woke up and went to his work at about 11: a.m. Then the
news about Natalee’s disappearance was on the radio and he found out
that there was a tourist teenager who did not make it back to her
hotel. He immediately remembered what he saw a few hours earlier

After the news became bigger, and they began to arrest the wrong
persons, the witness felt discouraged to come forward, and after he
saw that the young man Joran van der Sloot in the news, he recognized
him immediately as the person he saw walking past his home.

After he found out that the father of the man was a lawyer and
studying to become a judge, and that he was an intimate friend of a
high ranking police officer, he felt totally discouraged to come
forward with what he saw.

ON top of that, knowing that the Aruban judicial system is totally in
the hands of the Dutch, he forced himself to keep quiet. This lasted
for over 2 years, until the end of 2007, when he felt he had to tell
about what he saw, and so he came forward slowly, to explain what he
saw in front of his house, which is situated at about 500 meters from
the Dam of Monserat at Noord

He also got himself a lawyer, because the case was so big and he needed advice.

In the meantime, the Americans, with police permission, made a sonar
test of the Dam of Monserat in the beginning of this year, when the
level of the water was low. DIARIO has found out that this test
discovered 15 objects of interest and that they could define only 3 of
them.

IN another article, DIARIO will show how Prosecutor Mos paid little
attention to this witness and on the contrary, tried to discredit him.
This makes you wonder: Is it true that they want to protect van der
Sloot cost what it may?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/#more-6039
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« Reply #471 on: September 23, 2008, 07:19:24 PM »

Not sure what this says, but they are interviewing Peter R...in Dutch..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JEfinpjW5E&eurl
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« Reply #472 on: September 23, 2008, 07:22:19 PM »

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Quote from: oceanexploration on March 03, 2008, 01:47:47 PM
There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.  Video 1 : 29th Dec - ROV visual inspection of the trap.  (very small clip of this video on Dateline).  Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor.  The footage is not the recorded ROV footage.
Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them. 

What you all really didn't know (nor Tim Miller when he said his statements to the press, neither Dateline NBC when they broadcasted their lovely special):

Video 3:  Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap.  The trap was not recovered.  Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis.  Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

The trap in Video 1-3 was found from the first conducted ROV dive.  I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning.  It was my #1 ranked priority target and therefore the first of the ROV dive series. 

Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets.  None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.
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And Kermit said...

John sent the pics to his sister who is an active poster at BFN.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360082#msg360082


Then Kyle accused Red of posting the pictures.
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Is Robin John Silvetti's sister???   

No.  Silvetti's sister is Lex or something on to that order.

IIRC, Caps is the one who said John sent pics to his sister who is a poster at BFN and it was pics of the pond after being drained not the crab trap footage.
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Correction,

CAPS NEVER SAY THAT....I ONLY DO My OWN RESEARCH AND FACT FINDING.

I HAVE ALL MY EMAIL and NEVER SAID THAT...DO NOT CONFUSE THE ISSUES
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« Reply #473 on: September 23, 2008, 07:38:47 PM »

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Quote from: oceanexploration on March 03, 2008, 01:47:47 PM
There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.  Video 1 : 29th Dec - ROV visual inspection of the trap.  (very small clip of this video on Dateline).  Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor.  The footage is not the recorded ROV footage.
Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them. 

What you all really didn't know (nor Tim Miller when he said his statements to the press, neither Dateline NBC when they broadcasted their lovely special):

Video 3:  Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap.  The trap was not recovered.  Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis.  Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

The trap in Video 1-3 was found from the first conducted ROV dive.  I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning.  It was my #1 ranked priority target and therefore the first of the ROV dive series. 

Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets.  None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.
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And Kermit said...

John sent the pics to his sister who is an active poster at BFN.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360082#msg360082


Then Kyle accused Red of posting the pictures.
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Is Robin John Silvetti's sister???   

No.  Silvetti's sister is Lex or something on to that order.

IIRC, Caps is the one who said John sent pics to his sister who is a poster at BFN and it was pics of the pond after being drained not the crab trap footage.
Edited to correct sp.

Correction,

CAPS NEVER SAY THAT....I ONLY DO My OWN RESEARCH AND FACT FINDING.

I HAVE ALL MY EMAIL and NEVER SAID THAT...DO NOT CONFUSE THE ISSUES




Caps - that is not my quote.  That is a quote from Oceanexploration from March 3, 2008.  I did not say that.
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« Reply #474 on: September 23, 2008, 08:01:36 PM »



Well all I'm saying is that the pics were not posted on BFN by Robin....she posted them at BNH...just wanted to clear that up.... 
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« Reply #475 on: September 23, 2008, 08:21:01 PM »

caesu or another Dutch poster:

Debbie at BFN posted this  (you will need to click the pdf link when you go to the link).  I believe it is the explanation of why the Dutch prosecutors will not be able to be involved with the Natalee case.  Could you please tell me what it says?  Something about their only job is drugs and money launderering...they cannot be involved in homicide. etc.  That needs to be Aruban??  TIA

http://www.om.nl/algemene_onderdelen/uitgebreid_zoeken/@143437/opportuun_maart_2008/
(Click on the PDF link on this page)

One more thing...if this is true...then who is the "Aruban" prosecutor that is really responsible for this case?  Is Hans Mos only a mouthpiece and taking direction from an Aruban?


If this is the case they need to quit sending their losers to Aruba. The Prosecutors and Dutch judges they have sent to the Netherland Antilles are quickly corrupted by the lure of drug money and the laundering that goes with it. Every one of them has proven to be ineffective. There hasn't been a single Dutch person sent to that island that hasn't been a loser.

I agree with bastibro, Holland should have taken command a long tiome ago. The judiciary in Holland should have realized the first week that Paulus had worked and gained the acquaintance of every judge in the three islands. That horseshit about bring judges in from Curacao was just that, HORSESHIT. Paulus' good friend Van der Straten is assigned as lead investigator on the case. That's HORSESHIT. Paulus' best friend Ben Vocking works for Prosecutor Jannsen and takes off for two weeks openly declaring he wants to help his good friend Paulus. That's HORSESHIT.

If Holland is going to send these people to Aruba they need to take some ownership into what they are doing.


jorg and mos both have made statements about the roadblocks set up people in the aruban govt. when they've tried to investigate or prosecute anything above street crime on aruba. 
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« Reply #476 on: September 23, 2008, 08:34:36 PM »

caesu or another Dutch poster:

Debbie at BFN posted this  (you will need to click the pdf link when you go to the link).  I believe it is the explanation of why the Dutch prosecutors will not be able to be involved with the Natalee case.  Could you please tell me what it says?  Something about their only job is drugs and money launderering...they cannot be involved in homicide. etc.  That needs to be Aruban??  TIA

http://www.om.nl/algemene_onderdelen/uitgebreid_zoeken/@143437/opportuun_maart_2008/
(Click on the PDF link on this page)

Aruba has a seperate justice system from The Netherlands.
it's a seperate country.
Mos however is Dutch, as are most of the judges.
but they work for the Aruban justice system.
there arent's enough Arubans to fill these jobs.

Aruba can however ask The Netherlands for help.
that's what they did a few years ago.
but that is admitting to their own failures.
so they will hesitate doing that.

if Aruban law and order falls apart completely.
then The Netherlands has to step in.

there is a lot of cooperation mainly with fighting drugssmuggling, money laundring en human trafficking.
also now with this missing girl on Bonaire the combined investigation team stepped in.
and the combined coast guard.

but in my opinion the Dutch should have cleaned up the islands a long time ago.
the Dutch just won't admit on record that the islands are very corrupt (or in other words huge law and order problems).
because if they do, consequence is that they have to do something to fix it.
they hope it will get better before it gets worse.
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« Reply #477 on: September 23, 2008, 08:53:35 PM »

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Quote from: oceanexploration on March 03, 2008, 01:47:47 PM
There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.  Video 1 : 29th Dec - ROV visual inspection of the trap.  (very small clip of this video on Dateline).  Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor.  The footage is not the recorded ROV footage.
Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them. 

What you all really didn't know (nor Tim Miller when he said his statements to the press, neither Dateline NBC when they broadcasted their lovely special):

Video 3:  Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap.  The trap was not recovered.  Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis.  Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

The trap in Video 1-3 was found from the first conducted ROV dive.  I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning.  It was my #1 ranked priority target and therefore the first of the ROV dive series. 

Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets.  None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.
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And Kermit said...

John sent the pics to his sister who is an active poster at BFN.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360082#msg360082


Then Kyle accused Red of posting the pictures.
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Is Robin John Silvetti's sister???   

No.  Silvetti's sister is Lex or something on to that order.

IIRC, Caps is the one who said John sent pics to his sister who is a poster at BFN and it was pics of the pond after being drained not the crab trap footage.
Edited to correct sp.

Correction,

CAPS NEVER SAY THAT....I ONLY DO My OWN RESEARCH AND FACT FINDING.

I HAVE ALL MY EMAIL and NEVER SAID THAT...DO NOT CONFUSE THE ISSUES


CAPS, I APOLOGIZE, I WAS THE ONE WHO WAS CONFUSED.  NOT TRYING TO ACCUSE ANYONE OF ANYTHING.. IT WAS KERMIT THAT SAID JOHN SENT THE PICS TO HIS SISTER.  THAT'S WHAT I GET FOR TRYING TO READ WHEN AT WORK.   

 
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« Reply #478 on: September 23, 2008, 08:55:54 PM »


Aruba has a seperate justice system from The Netherlands.
it's a seperate country.
Mos however is Dutch, as are most of the judges.
but they work for the Aruban justice system.
there arent's enough Arubans to fill these jobs.

Aruba can however ask The Netherlands for help.
that's what they did a few years ago.
but that is admitting to their own failures.
so they will hesitate doing that.

if Aruban law and order falls apart completely.
then The Netherlands has to step in.

there is a lot of cooperation mainly with fighting drugssmuggling, money laundring en human trafficking.
also now with this missing girl on Bonaire the combined investigation team stepped in.
and the combined coast guard.

but in my opinion the Dutch should have cleaned up the islands a long time ago.
the Dutch just won't admit on record that the islands are very corrupt (or in other words huge law and order problems).
because if they do, consequence is that they have to do something to fix it.
they hope it will get better before it gets worse.


Caesu, always good to see you! 


You hit on some very good points. It is obvious the way it is set up that the Dutch in Holland have their balls in a vise. They have to be asked to help in an investigation, but a bunch of corrupt Dutch on Aruba aren't going to ask them because they are covering up their own crimes. Unfortunately, Aruba is known to operate under the "Dutch system" so when the Dutch in Aruba abuse it they give Holland a bad name by association.

I have to say I am delighted the Dutch in Holland are involved in any capacity they can be. There is no way the corrupt ones on Aruba would ever solve or prosecute the case. As Bastibro said, it is a shame they came in so late. I hope Holland and the U.S. working together can still clear up the case, because they made a hell of a mess out of it in Aruba.
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« Reply #479 on: September 23, 2008, 08:59:32 PM »


If Holland is going to send these people to Aruba they need to take some ownership into what they are doing.[/b]

jorg and mos both have made statements about the roadblocks set up people in the aruban govt. when they've tried to investigate or prosecute anything above street crime on aruba. 
dennisintn


They have some hellaciously bad problems on Aruba, all stemming from everyone running the island having their fingers up each others' butts. They are so far gone, so deeply corrupt, there is no way they can correct their problems without Dutch intervention.
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