Natalee Case Discussion #770 9/20/08 - 10/04/08

[yapperz1]

Morning Monkeys. SandraK is as full of sh_t as a Christmas Turkey. 

[CapsLockWizard]

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/09/new_witness_in_holloway_disapp.php

New witness in Holloway disappearance
Wednesday 24 September 2008

A new witness has emerged in the disappearance of US teenager Natalee Holloway on the holiday island of Aruba in 2005, the AD reports on Wednesday.


The paper says the witness saw the main suspect, Dutch student Joran van der Sloot, walk past his house in one shoe and a stained shirt followed by his father in a red car on the night the girl disappeared.

Aruban prosecution department chief Hans Mos told the AD the new witness statement is ‘interesting’ but ‘one of many’. Van der Sloot and his father Paul have always sworn they were not together that night.

Joran van der Sloot has admitted being with Holloway on the beach the night she died. He told an undercover tv reporter that a friend had dumped her body at sea.

Mos confirmed earlier reports that he hopes to have the case finally wrapped up by the end of the year. Van der Sloot has twice been arrested and released because of a lack of evidence.

Now Solo Di pueblo Aruba paper also ran the story, but at bit to it that MOS now want to investigate.

[Nut44x4]

SandraK can't string two words together without making a mistake.
She doesn't have enough sense to make the Shango or Simian posts.

LOL...But I am trying to work out if she has found out recently who Shango is.

Maybe she and a friend of hers has known for some time who it was. 

The statement that she is Shango is not new.  She has been making that
claim for years now.  She has also said that she is Lorenzo's mother
and that Steve Croes is her boy.  She makes outrageous claims. 
I would lay odds that she has never set foot on Key West or Aruba.

[Blonde]

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Quote from: oceanexploration on March 03, 2008, 01:47:47 PM
There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.  Video 1 : 29th Dec - ROV visual inspection of the trap.  (very small clip of this video on Dateline).  Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor.  The footage is not the recorded ROV footage.
Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them. 

What you all really didn't know (nor Tim Miller when he said his statements to the press, neither Dateline NBC when they broadcasted their lovely special):

Video 3:  Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap.  The trap was not recovered.  Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis.  Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

The trap in Video 1-3 was found from the first conducted ROV dive.  I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning.  It was my #1 ranked priority target and therefore the first of the ROV dive series. 

Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets.  None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.
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And Kermit said...

John sent the pics to his sister who is an active poster at BFN.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360082#msg360082


Then Kyle accused Red of posting the pictures.
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Is Robin John Silvetti's sister???   

 You are right they were posted On BNH  by ROBIN HOLLOWAY
I was a member there but I did not see them ,but went in that site that day for one Minuit and then got accused of taking them and sending them to Klaas.
I got nasty emails from Robin, Lois Reality .
 I left that site because I DID NOT EVEN SEE THEM until they were posted on SM.

[Kermit]

Well all I'm saying is that the pics were not posted on BFN by Robin....she posted them at BNH...just wanted to clear that up.... 

So Robin posted the photos at BNH and not BFN.  Thanks for clearing that up.

You are welcome...I wish everything about this case was so easy....

That's a fact! 

So, we have established that Robin posted the trap photographs at BNH.  We understood that Robin got them from Dave, who had requested them from the FBI.  Kyle claimed that Dave had asked him for the photographs, but Kyle says he didn't them to Dave.  Kyle says he gave them to the FBI.  Robin is not John's sister.  Where does the information about John giving his sister the photographs fit in here?

According to KyCat, Kermit says that John gave the photographs to his sister (who isn't Robin).  Kermie, where did you get that information????  Is it possible that the FBI didn't give the photographs to Dave, but that John did give them to his sister, who in turn gave them to Dave and Robin?????  Why would John give the TES photographs to someone after Kyle wouldn't give them to Dave?

Ah THE PICTURES!

Therein lies the rub for Aruba's cover-up!

In the words of Robots - COUNT ON IT!

[Kermit]

But CAPS and Kermit have both given hope that big things are coming.
I have faith in both of them.

And RED said big things are coming in "in the next months and YEARS!

I have been playing catch up today... Nothing even surprises me anymore.. but I have to have faith that something will big will be coming....
How is everyone tonight?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
« Reply #770 on: March 07, 2008, 10:40:46 AM »
   
As far as the beak-in at the huts:
As I see it there are two possibilities.  First, the fish huts were actually broken into and therefore likely related to the case. Alternatively, the door was kicked in by the Police during the search within a couple days of Natalee's dissapearance and a lovely new knife taken in the process.
In either case, a trap, a sneaker, and a girl went missing.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362152#msg362152



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[Lala'sMom]

Well all I'm saying is that the pics were not posted on BFN by Robin....she posted them at BNH...just wanted to clear that up.... 

So Robin posted the photos at BNH and not BFN.  Thanks for clearing that up.

You are welcome...I wish everything about this case was so easy....

That's a fact! 

So, we have established that Robin posted the trap photographs at BNH.  We understood that Robin got them from Dave, who had requested them from the FBI.  Kyle claimed that Dave had asked him for the photographs, but Kyle says he didn't them to Dave.  Kyle says he gave them to the FBI.  Robin is not John's sister.  Where does the information about John giving his sister the photographs fit in here?

According to KyCat, Kermit says that John gave the photographs to his sister (who isn't Robin).  Kermie, where did you get that information????  Is it possible that the FBI didn't give the photographs to Dave, but that John did give them to his sister, who in turn gave them to Dave and Robin?????  Why would John give the TES photographs to someone after Kyle wouldn't give them to Dave?

Ah THE PICTURES!

Therein lies the rub for Aruba's cover-up!

In the words of Robots - COUNT ON IT!

Bingo!  I understand you now.  Whew!  I was beginning to think I had lost my touch. 

[Lala'sMom]

Kermie
Help me here...how many shoes?  One in a closet at home...one in a trap in the ocean...and Jossy says one in a pond.  I am still perplexed on that one issue.

[Lala'sMom]

Who does this sound like?

He thrives on any kind of perceived power or authority and will readily craft up ambiguous statements or manufacture situations which increase his influence. The sad part, is that although he excels in finding people to lead, he lacks the basic integrity to do them any good.

[Lala'sMom]

OOOPS!  Sorry, posted that in wrong thread.

[Lala'sMom]

SS
This is what i was looking for the other day...when we were talking about the 4 AM sightings and such...ran across it just now.

CapsLockWizard
Scared Monkey


Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #2
« Reply #191 on: March 26, 2008, 03:55:02 PM »
   
Remeber Simian :

3 car are involved.

I believe that Duedekom (CAR-3) came to give the Kalpoes instruction, around the pool

Kalpoe's went home (CAR-1) but the father was not there.
Deudekom in (CAR-3) drive Joran to the pond to Drop the body, (Car -3 Leaves) leaving Joran at foot. Deudekom call Paules to come pick his son up.
Joran Run to Mc Donalds from pond and
so the father in (CAR-2) had to pickup Joran at 4:00 at Mcdonalds

[klaasend]

Here is the latest from Natalee's Freebirds:
 
HANS MOS – PROSECUTOR OR SABOTEUR?

Dutch Prosecutor Hans Mos rode into Aruba with his guns blazing, but like so many Dutch officials before him he has yet to prove his mettle.

Ever since Natalee Holloway disappeared from the island of Aruba, a long line of Dutch government officials and judicial officers have proven that there is no honor or justice in the Aruban legal and judicial system, beginning with former Aruban prosecutor Karin Janssen, Police Commissioner Jan van der Straten and Detective Dennis Jacobs, who made highly dubious decisions including the lack of a timely detention of prime suspects Joran van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, which afforded them 10 days to dispose of all forensic evidence. Also, the supposed search of the van der Sloot residence – a search that was thwarted by another Dutch judicial, Judge Bob Wit, who limited the warrant on the spot to exclude the main residence and property surrounding the van der Sloot home. A few months later Dutch Judge Rick Smid would release the three suspects unconditionally despite the fact they each had radically different stories of what happened the night Miss Holloway disappeared and admittedly lied to Aruban police officials.

What has become painfully apparent throughout the case is that those Dutch officials seemingly have no integrity when it comes to policing their fellow countrymen on Aruba- no matter how dire the crime. Prosecutor Hans Mos seems to be simply the latest proof in this long line of deception with an apparent lack of moral compass and judicial prudence. Mos talked a good game, but failed to deliver and his statements and lack of action now look like just more lies.

The recorded statements made by Joran van der Sloot to an independent undercover agent in which he admitted he had Miss Holloway disposed of at sea - without knowing for certain if she was deceased at the time - seemed a sure fire nail in the coffin of this Prime Suspect.

Prosecutor Hans Mos went so far as to state that Joran's recorded statements support 80 percent of their investigative file.

Yet, to date, there have still been no formal charges filed against this self-proclaimed murderer.

HANS MOS HAS A HISTORY OF NOT FOLLOWING THROUGH IN THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE:


Why hasn't Hans Mos filed a complaint against the Judges who gave preferential treatment to the suspects? Why has he simply rolled over for these judges who just happened to be friends and colleagues of Paulus van der Sloot? Is Hans Mos part of the conspiracy?


Jossy Mansur - NANCY GRACE - 10/04/05
GRACE: Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work.


Paulus van der Sloot - Pauw & Witteman Show - 01/11/08
Paulus:Well look uhhhh… Mister De Vries can’t hear that good… If he would have listened carefully he would have heard that Joran said that he didn’t have any confidence in the OM (public pros.)! That’s what Joran has said. Joran didn’t talk about the judicial authorities. What you see now.., what has happened is that luckily we have judicial authorities… And we sit here again! So in the end it’s because of the judicial authorities that all has ended well. Translation Credit: EURobert


THE SUPERIOR COURT RULING: PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT RELEASED BY HIS FELLOW JUDGES.

Paulus van der Sloot was released on June 26, 2005 following four days in detention. A ruling by a judge in the Aruban court reversed his suspect status in regards to the Natalee Holloway case. Paulus then sued for compensation claiming he was wrongfully detained and he was subsequently awarded compensation by an Aruban court. However, the award was appealed by the prosecutor.

In January of last year, the Superior Court reversed the compensation that was awarded Paulus van der Sloot. The Superior Court ruled that there was taped evidence as well as a declaration by Paulus which implied, according to witnesses, that he had picked up Natalee and Joran at McDonalds on the morning of May 30, 2005. The ruling of the Superior Court was that Paulus van der Sloots detention was indeed justified.


Superior Court - 01/2007
The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.


CARIBBEAN COURT OF JUSTICE - CODE OF JUDICIAL CONDUCT

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/codeofethics.html

I. PROPRIETY

1.3 A judge shall avoid close personal association with individual members of the legal profession, particularly those who practice in the judge’s court, where such association might reasonably give rise to the suspicion or appearance of favouritism or partiality.

1.4 A judge shall avoid the use of the judge’s residence by a member of the legal profession to receive clients or other members of the legal profession in circumstances that might reasonably give rise to the suspicion or appearance of impropriety on the part of the judge.

1.9 A judge shall not allow the judge’s family, social or other relationships improperly to influence the judge’s judicial conduct and judgment as a judge.

1.10 A judge shall not use or lend the prestige of the judicial office to advance the private interests of the judge, a member of the judge’s family or of anyone else, nor shall a judge permit others to convey the impression that anyone is in a special position improperly to influence the judge in the performance of judicial duties.


Why hasn't Hans Mos charged the suspects and brought them to trial? Joran van der Sloot admitted to molesting Miss Holloway while she was unconscious, which is a felony under Aruban law. He also admitted to disposing of her body, not knowing whether she was alive or deceased. Under Aruban law, that is Manslaughter at the very least.

Why hasn't Hans Mos charged Joran van der Sloot?


HANS MOS – PROSECUTOR, OR JUST ANOTHER STALL MERCHANT IN A CORRUPT LEGAL SYSTEM

Hans Mos ABC NEWS November 26, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years ago.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.
http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737


HANS MOS STATES THAT HE KNOWS JORAN DISPOSED OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY, YET HAS TAKEN NO ACTION

DIARIO Aruba 02/05/2008
What was very important in this case, according to Mos, is that Joran said that they threw the girl at sea, without being certain if the girl was truly already dead. Legally, this means that Joran could be accused of murder and all variants related to this.

Aside from this, Joran chose not to call police or an ambulance. The press brought forth that the supposed public phone that Joran would have used is one that uses credit cards and Mos said that they are investigating this.
[translated by Getagrip]
Posted by Getagrip at 2/06/2008 01:15:00 PM


Amigoe 1/31/08
OM Aruba investigates ‘Joran’s confession’
After having seen the recordings, Hans Mos said that ‘the truth is going to be revealed’ and that he ‘can actually close the case’. All the OM in Aruba said: This information can to a great extent contribute to the mystery around the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Police and OM are currently investigating the trustworthiness and value of the information received.


Hans Mos On the Record with Greta November 27, 2007
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news from Aruba, Joran van der Sloot ordered to stay behind bars for at least eight more days. Now, the Kalpoe brothers already got the same news last week. Now, all three suspects were re-arrested. Why? The prosecutor has now charged all three with voluntary manslaughter of Natalee Holloway.

MOS: And this decision to re-arrest these three suspects was a decision taken by 10 lawyers, by 10 lawyers sitting around a table (INAUDIBLE) whole afternoon, being presented the new material.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313168,00.html


ARUBAN OFFICIAL SAYS HOLLOWAY SUSPECT REFERRED TO HER AS DEAD IN INTERNET CHAT

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Aruba's chief prosecutor says one of three suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway wrote during an Internet chat session that the teenager was dead.

Prosecutor Hans Mos refused to identify the person who wrote the message.

But he told a news conference today that the discovery contributed to the decision to rearrest Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe last month.

The men were subsequently released after they refused to speak to authorities about newly uncovered evidence.

The Aruba Public Prosecutor's Office said Tuesday it would not charge any of the three unless new evidence surfaces. http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5ji_lrY1LnUJC4blDU3WqVxbERywQ

Judge Approves Transfer for Suspect in Natalee Holloway Disappearance Case
Thursday, November 22, 2007

THE HAGUE, Netherlands — A Dutch judge on Thursday approved the transfer to Aruba of a student suspected in the 2005 disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway on the Caribbean resort island, a prosecutor said.

Joran van der Sloot, 20, was arrested Wednesday in the central city of Arnhem on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in Holloway's death.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312568,00.html


Aruba Officials Detail Holloway Evidence
Dec 20, 1:41 PM (ET)
By MARGARET WEVER

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - One of three top suspects in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway wrote during an Internet chat session that the teenager was dead, Aruba's chief prosecutor said Thursday.

Prosecutor Hans Mos refused to identify the person who wrote the message but said its discovery had contributed to the decision to re-arrest Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe last month.

The men were subsequently released after they refused to speak to authorities about newly uncovered evidence. The Aruba Public Prosecutor's Office said Tuesday it will not charge the three.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071220/D8TLBFJ01.html


Prosecutors to detail evidence against Holloway suspects
Associated Press - December 20, 2007 2:23 PM ET

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - Prosecutors in Aruba are releasing evidence from the investigation into the disappearance of an American teen.

The country's chief prosecutor says the file includes an Internet chat session in which 1 of the three top suspects in the case said Natalee Holloway is dead.

The Alabama high school student vanished during a May 2005 vacation in Aruba with her graduating class. Her body has never been found.

The prosecutor didn't reveal the identity of the person who wrote the message. But he said its discovery helped lead to the recent decision to re-arrest the three suspects. All three have since been released. The Aruba Public Prosecutor's Office said this week it won't charge them.

Prosecutors say the re-arrests had been warranted by the circumstantial evidence. Those include witness statements saying the suspects had been behaving strangely in the hours after Holloway vanished.

They have said they still believe the trio was somehow involved in Holloway's disappearance, but can't prove it because no body has turned up.

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=7523161&nav=menu191_10_5_1


PROSECUTOR HANS MOS, ANOTHER DUTCHMAN SENT TO SABOTAGE THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE?


LIKE KAREN JANSSEN- HANS MOS GOES ON VACATION DURING THE MOST HIGH-PROFILE INVESTIGATION IN ARUBA'S HISTORY
Hans Mos is with his family in Holland, on a pre-planned holiday. The Press Prosecutor also confirmed that Van der Sloot has offered to meet with investigators in Holland, and that he will do so sometime in the future. She will not say when.
http://tinyurl.com/5la7gf



HANS MOS, THE MASTER OF DOUBLE-TALK. DOES HE REALLY WANT TO PROSECUTE THE CASE OR IS HE JUST ANOTHER KARIN JANSSEN WAITING FOR HIS TERM OF SERVICE TO END?

The Associated Press
Published: December 8, 2007
Prosecutor Hans Mos said he does not anticipate ever finding Holloway's remains. "It's very hard to try a case without a body," he said. "It's not impossible, but you need substantial evidence that somebody was killed."
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/08/news/CB-GEN-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php



John Q. Kelly On the Record w/ Greta December 4, 2007

KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY: I can say it with 99 percent.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html




Joran VDS Suspect Statement 06/09/05

It is possible that I called someone or that someone called me. It is also possible that I sent or received messages


Former suspect in Holloway disappearance regrets no trial
December 23, 2007
Public prosecutors on the island closed their investigation Dec. 18, saying they believed Holloway was dead but they did not have enough evidence to prosecute Van der Sloot or two other former suspected accomplices of a crime in her disappearance.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/23/europe/EU-GEN-Netherlands-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php

Prosecutor's Press Release December 18, 2007
Since the release of all three suspects the Public Prosecutor’s Office has diligently considered and weighed all available evidence. It came to the opinion that the investigation did not bring about sufficient evidence to convince a Court of law that a crime of violence against Natalee Holloway has been committed, nor that her death has been caused by involuntary actions by either of the suspects. Neither was sufficient evidence gathered for sexual abuse. The Public Prosecutor’s Office expects that if this case would be tried in court it would lead to an acquittal of all three suspects on these various charges. Given that expectation the Public Prosecutor could no longer press charges against all three. It is contrary to the professional conduct to prosecute someone if the prosecutor himself expects an acquittal.
http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/news.apx.-content-articles-VTM-2007-12-18-0004.html


HANS MOS STILL DIDN'T FOLLOW THROUGH ON THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

Patrick van der Eem
Monday, April 14th, 2008
The ongoing boycot Aruba saga

April 16th, 2008 at 12:38 am
I do know that Hans Mos from the moment Peter R. de Vries has been showing him the tapes has been working incredibly hard to get the evidence on the table that Joran did not only dispose of a body (carries a maximum jail sentence of 6 months in Holland), but to find the evidence that Joran can be accused of “murder” or “manslaughter” because it became clear from his confession that he never checked if Natalee was really dead.
http://patrickvandereem.nl/uncategorized/the-ongoing-boycot-aruba-saga/


HANS MOS KNOWS PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT LIED TO THE JUSTICE SYSTEM AND THEN TRIED TO COLLECT MONEY

Superior Court El Diario - 02-14-2007
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.
(Translation Credit: Diario)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/


Jossy Mansur DANA PRETZER SHOW December 11, 2006

JOSSY: I have a video tape of Gerald Dompig that they do have sufficient material to bring these boys in on kidnapping and rape. Which would be 8 years imprisonment.
http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2006/12/11/jossy-mansur-and-tim-miller-on-the-dana-pretzer-show/

NEWLY REPORTED WITNESS ACCORDING TO EL DIARIO NEWSPAPER MIGHT HAVE INFORMATION PERTINENT TO THIS CASE - WILL MOS CHECK HIS STORY OUT?

Diario Aruba, September 9, 2008:
"Even though Prosecutor Mr. Mos and also the Van Der Sloot family,
want to or not, this gives a complete turnaround in the whole
investigation. Today DIARIO focuses on the first part of the
declaration of the witness. What is being published today is what the
local authority (e.o. Prosecutor Mos) know from him, since they have
his signed declaration."

"DIARIO again wants to put emphasis on the fact that Prosecutor Mos
has knowledge of this part, but doesn't know what he did with it. The
second part which will appear soon in the DIARIO contains information
that the Prosecution of Aruba has no knowledge of at this point,
simply because every time the witness gave his declaration he was
pushed into a corner of fear for reprisals."

"IN another article, DIARIO will show how Prosecutor Mos paid little
attention to this witness and on the contrary, tried to discredit him.
This makes you wonder: Is it true that they want to protect Van der
Sloot cost what it may?"
(Translation Credit: Diario)

HANS MOS, SENT FROM HOLLAND TO GLOSS OVER THE INVESTIGATION?

In an A & E Mysteries "What Happened to Natalee Holloway?" television interview with news journalist Bill Kurtis ( air date September 19,2008) Hans Mos states that he has seen no evidence of a cover-up, thinks Aruba did all it could to solve the case, and blamed the U.S. media for disrupting the investigation.

After all the evidence that has come to light over the past three and a half years that shows otherwise, does this sound like a prosecutor trying to solve the Natalee Holloway case - or one who is looking to place blame on the FAILURE of the investigation at someone else's feet?


*Why has Aruban Prosecutor Hans Mos refused to prosecute the case when he clearly has Joran dead to rights on kidnapping and rape charges?

*Why has Aruban Prosecutor Hans Mos refused to prosecute Joran van der Sloot on Manslaughter charges?

*Why has Aruban Prosecutor Hans Mos refused to take on the friends of Paulus van der Sloot in the Dutch judicial system?

*Why has Aruban Prosecutor Hans Mos failed to tackle the corruption in his legal and judicial system?

*Is Aruban Prosecutor Hans Mos simply another pawn in the apparent corrupt legal system? Is he just stalling the case until he can return to Holland like so many before him?

HANS MOS COULD CHARGE THE SUSPECTS AND FORCE THE ARUBANS TO ALLOW NATALEE'S BODY TO COME HOME - TO THE U.S. WHERE SHE BELONGS!


Greta Van Susteren: "So it's physical evidence, something you can actually touch or feel

John Q Kelly: Or see. Sure.

Greta: or some scientific thing

John: Absolutely

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KzAAC0Mxcro


Natalee Holloway and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!

Natalee’s Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

[Nut44x4]

OOOPS!  Sorry, posted that in wrong thread.

 

[LoRain]

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Quote from: oceanexploration on March 03, 2008, 01:47:47 PM
There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.  Video 1 : 29th Dec - ROV visual inspection of the trap.  (very small clip of this video on Dateline).  Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor.  The footage is not the recorded ROV footage.
Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them. 

What you all really didn't know (nor Tim Miller when he said his statements to the press, neither Dateline NBC when they broadcasted their lovely special):

Video 3:  Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap.  The trap was not recovered.  Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis.  Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

The trap in Video 1-3 was found from the first conducted ROV dive.  I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning.  It was my #1 ranked priority target and therefore the first of the ROV dive series. 

Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets.  None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.
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And Kermit said...

John sent the pics to his sister who is an active poster at BFN.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360082#msg360082


Then Kyle accused Red of posting the pictures.
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Is Robin John Silvetti's sister???   

 You are right they were posted On BNH  by ROBIN HOLLOWAY
I was a member there but I did not see them ,but went in that site that day for one Minuit and then got accused of taking them and sending them to Klaas.
I got nasty emails from Robin, Lois Reality .
 I left that site because I DID NOT EVEN SEE THEM until they were posted on SM.

I don't want to accuse someone that may be innocent....but I was under the understanding that they figured that JackB copied the pics and sent them around....

[Lala'sMom]

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Quote from: oceanexploration on March 03, 2008, 01:47:47 PM
There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.  Video 1 : 29th Dec - ROV visual inspection of the trap.  (very small clip of this video on Dateline).  Remember, the Dateline footage was taken over our shoulders by filming the ROV monitor.  The footage is not the recorded ROV footage.
Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them. 

What you all really didn't know (nor Tim Miller when he said his statements to the press, neither Dateline NBC when they broadcasted their lovely special):

Video 3:  Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap.  The trap was not recovered.  Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis.  Neither Tim Miller nor the media were on board.

The trap in Video 1-3 was found from the first conducted ROV dive.  I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning.  It was my #1 ranked priority target and therefore the first of the ROV dive series. 

Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets.  None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks.
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And Kermit said...

John sent the pics to his sister who is an active poster at BFN.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360082#msg360082


Then Kyle accused Red of posting the pictures.
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Is Robin John Silvetti's sister???   

 You are right they were posted On BNH  by ROBIN HOLLOWAY
I was a member there but I did not see them ,but went in that site that day for one Minuit and then got accused of taking them and sending them to Klaas.
I got nasty emails from Robin, Lois Reality .
 I left that site because I DID NOT EVEN SEE THEM until they were posted on SM.

I don't want to accuse someone that may be innocent....but I was under the understanding that they figured that JackB copied the pics and sent them around....

Jackb doesn't work here anymore. I think they found him and locked him up again.

[LoRain]

Ya...and I think he might have been a member at BNH but got the boot there too...not completely sure though...probably not even important....the pics got posted and that's that....

[klaasend]

Ya...and I think he might have been a member at BNH but got the boot there too...not completely sure though...probably not even important....the pics got posted and that's that....

LoRain - I can tell you those photos did NOT come from JackB.  It really doesn't matter though because the error was made by ROBIN.  Nobody else is to blame for anything.  If the photos were supposed to be "secret" they should not have been posted on the internet. 

[texasmom]

Thanks for posting the latest from Natalee's Freebirds Klaas! 

I agree with them about Mos for sure. 

[Lala'sMom]

If Mos is out...who's in for the next round of deception? Hmmmm.

[texasmom]

I was reading some of Getagrip's translations looking for something else and came across these articles.  Found them interesting, in that I didn't recall Judge Smid being the judge.