Lively Case Discussion #523a 9/12 - 9/15/2006 (use this one)

[Anna]

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And what two other last names is he rumored to use in The Netherlands?

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[Lala'sMom]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA


You guys knew I coudn't resist.    

[Anna]

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Sunfreak2,
Joran's blonde gf Fabianne had a link on her myspace or tickle site to a girl with dogs photos.  She took it down pronto when monkeys began to comment on it.  Many saw it before she did, however.  You can go down in the threads and see any of the still of the rock painting to see what looks like a big black dog to me.  The one by Spock has good stills of the photos from the vids.  The one with black streak down in crevice in the rock looks just like large black front leg of a dog to me.  Not the one that appears to show tiny little arm and hand of a human but the ones with the black in the rocks.

Just what I see but like looking at clouds I think we all see something different every time we look.  At least I do.

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[Anna]

I wonder how old Lorenzo was when he first came to Aruba.  Had his mother married Paul van Rijn by then or did she meet and marry him on the island?

[KatzHome]

Now, does anyone remember what Lorenzo's nickname was rumored to be?

Xtacy (sp)

Well...  that figures!  

[SunFreak2]

Lorenzo's house is isolated down a straight road...that is unpaved...and guess what color it is?   JMO, of course.

If Lorenzo is one of the top dogs on the island b/c of the drug dealing, AND he is Paulus's illegitimate son.....well.  Although, the house in Barcadera near the container port is suspicious.  I really think if LvR is so elusive he wouldn't live where he hold the parties do you?  The reports that the big house in the middle of nowhere is heavily fortified with security makes sense for a big drug dealer.  Lorenzo probably hosts the parties but doesn't attend them.  It is said that the succesful drug dealers don't partake of their own product.  His big house would be an ideal place to hide someone.  Now this would put the story at the opposite end of the island from what we've been thinking.  How would the gardener & the jogger witnesses play into this?  Also the cell phone triangulations, etc.?  

I still think the 3 not yet arrested suspects would be Koen, Sander & Alex G., though, b/c of their boat.

[KatzHome]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA


You guys knew I coudn't resist.    

It's blowing me away how this is tying right in now that more is known...  I sure hope Shango/Simian are helping now...

....  think?

Who's talking now?

[Tylergal]

XTC = LVR
DNA = Paulus, Joran & Lorenzo all related.

[SunFreak2]

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Sunfreak2,
Joran's blonde gf Fabianne had a link on her myspace or tickle site to a girl with dogs photos.  She took it down pronto when monkeys began to comment on it.  Many saw it before she did, however.  You can go down in the threads and see any of the still of the rock painting to see what looks like a big black dog to me.  The one by Spock has good stills of the photos from the vids.  The one with black streak down in crevice in the rock looks just like large black front leg of a dog to me.  Not the one that appears to show tiny little arm and hand of a human but the ones with the black in the rocks.

Just what I see but like looking at clouds I think we all see something different every time we look.  At least I do.

Thanks, Anna.  Why would the Visibility team & ALE make such a big deal about a dead dog at the rocks?  Why would what happened there be so secretive if it was just a dog?  I mean the Aruban newspapers publish pictures of accident victims lying on the ground and dead bodies in trash piles.  The whole secrecy of what happened up there is so suspicious b/c of the timing with the confession, "Natalee is dead", & retraction of those statements.

[Tylergal]

There is a store front and place that sells porn type stuff in Aruba by the name of XTC or Xtacy, something similar.  Wonder if this is a facade for drug dealing ,and if this is owned by "my Renzo" (did I Hear SK here?)

[Lala'sMom]

Truly, I don't think Shango or Simian have done much to help this case.  If anything they have hindered it by not speaking up and standing for what is right.  Still, they may have very good reason to do so.  I have thought about Lorenzo about as much as I have thought about Shango. I like a good mystery.  Lorenzo's house is very fortified and I agree with Sunfreak that he most likely would not partake in the parties he gives.  He has other reasons to be elusive also, I am not sure what they might be at this time, but I do have my suspicions. As Tyler said, he is big, but not the BIG GUY.  Maybe he just works for the BIG GUY.

[Anna]

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Why, indeed, Sunfreak.  

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[Tylergal]

Dogs love the smell of blood and they will tear into it.  Makes you wonder if their blood was mixed with that of Natalee.  Could they have attacked her if she fought them off, or was it a Sloot owned dog when Natalee was trying to get away from that weird-o house, and their dogs attacked her.

[Lala'sMom]

Oh I forgot about "my Renzo".  Yes, I think I hear a faint cry from a land far away...India maybe?   Nope, it's just Michigan.    

[Tylergal]

"Mary was not a virgin when she entered the maze."

Had she been raped before they took her to Renzo's?

[Anna]

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And speaking of DNA and evidence that the world must never see, something bad happened, things that would shock the world.  Even the white plastic bag in the basin drain looks like a dog inside to me.  One in the rocks and one in the bag but as I said, I see things when looking at clouds sometimes.

Just thinking outside the box a little.  Trying to consider all aspects and anything that is remotely possible and fits with the few believed facts and timelines, etc.

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[Anna]

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If Lorenzo used to work as a DJ would there be photos if we went far enough back in the DJ photos?

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[SunFreak2]

Anna - I'm a little slow tonight. Could you please elaborate for me?

Tylergal - Could you elaborate too, please.  If dogs attacked and killed Natalee, that would be a tragic accident, but could alos be explained, and not warrant this huge cover-up.

[Tylergal]

Anna - I'm a little slow tonight. Could you please elaborate for me?

Tylergal - Could you elaborate too, please.  If dogs attacked and killed Natalee, that would be a tragic accident, but could alos be explained, and not warrant this huge cover-up.

Well, I don't think I need to elaborate if we are talking about beastiality.

[Anna]

Anna - I'm a little slow tonight. Could you please elaborate for me?

Tylergal - Could you elaborate too, please.  If dogs attacked and killed Natalee, that would be a tragic accident, but could alos be explained, and not warrant this huge cover-up.

Did you see my post to you about Joran's gh having the link to the girl having sex with dogs?  Possibly a new video theme as even the grade school boys were making the regular rape variety on their cell phones, etc. Too ordinary.  Something new and novel like maybe their own bestiality vid.

It is just a thought and since I don't really buy any particular theory at this time, just keep thinking of things that could have been.

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