Lively Case Discussion #523a 9/12 - 9/15/2006 (use this one)

[Tylergal]

Would that be the ultimate in porn videos to sell at the place that sells porn and "adult" items that is named XTC?

[KatzHome]

Truly, I don't think Shango or Simian have done much to help this case.  If anything they have hindered it by not speaking up and standing for what is right.  Still, they may have very good reason to do so.  I have thought about Lorenzo about as much as I have thought about Shango. I like a good mystery.  Lorenzo's house is very fortified and I agree with Sunfreak that he most likely would not partake in the parties he gives.  He has other reasons to be elusive also, I am not sure what they might be at this time, but I do have my suspicions. As Tyler said, he is big, but not the BIG GUY.  Maybe he just works for the BIG GUY.

Yeah ~ good reason maybe like winding up dead...  and that might be it ~ works for the big guy ~ and that guy has direct connections to the Mob ~ or something like that...

If he just works for the big guy ~ he might be goofy enough to have attended the party ~ or not ~ because I do agree with SunFreak ~ but this is Aruba...  Even if he wasn't there ~ and if Natalee died from this party ~ and dogs ~ oh my gosh...  at his house...  THAT would be good reason for him to help dispose of her body...

And that makes perfect sense, Tyler...  the XTC ~ Lorenzo and DNA ~ Paulus, Joran and Lorenzo thought...

[Anna]

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The Front Page is up but the comments section seems to not be working.  Guess this is related to the new server a notice is posted about there?

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[klaasend]

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The Front Page is up but the comments section seems to not be working.  Guess this is related to the new server a notice is posted about there?

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Red and Tom are in the middle of switching servers on the front page.  Looks like it got late and Tom wasn't able to finish.  Red has asked me not to Moderate/process posts on the front page until Tom finishes in the morning.

[Anna]

[Red and Tom are in the middle of switching servers on the front page.  Looks like it got late and Tom wasn't able to finish.  Red has asked me not to Moderate/process posts on the front page until Tom finishes in the morning.

Well, you're not going to listen to him, are you??      

Just kidding!  That's a sign it is time for me to head to the Monkey Bunkey as I always get punchy right before going to sleep!

Goodnight, all. . . . . .

[klaasend]

Nite Anna

[SunFreak2]

Anna - I'm a little slow tonight. Could you please elaborate for me?

Tylergal - Could you elaborate too, please.  If dogs attacked and killed Natalee, that would be a tragic accident, but could alos be explained, and not warrant this huge cover-up.

Well, I don't think I need to elaborate if we are talking about beastiality.

Ughhhh, I didn't realize that was what y'all were discussing.  

Personally, I think that is a little too far out there, even for the PIMPS.  I think it was a combination of overdose & head trauma whether that was accidental or an assault.  Something "bad happened" and then the next night Paulus was surfing the net reading about it.

[Lala'sMom]

Well, now that I have everyone thinking again I need to get to bed.  Just ponder these thoughts. Why is Lorenzo so elusive? Is he really that powerful?  Does he know most of the dirty secrets on the island?  Who is his boss?  Does he assist in the money laundering business?  Does he assist in procuring drug runners to the island? Is his house located in an area where the movement of drugs would be easy?  Is there a special location in his house that films and distributes pornography?  How lucrative is that compared to drugs?  Why can't we get any pictures of Lorenzo?  Why is everyone so afraid of him?  Just thoughts from my weary mind.

Goodnight all...and sweet dreams.  SHHHHH!  Don't wake Nemo.

[klaasend]

Well, now that I have everyone thinking again I need to get to bed.  Just ponder these thoughts. Why is Lorenzo so elusive? Is he really that powerful?  Does he know most of the dirty secrets on the island?  Who is his boss?  Does he assist in the money laundering business?  Does he assist in procuring drug runners to the island? Is his house located in an area where the movement of drugs would be easy?  Is there a special location in his house that films and distributes pornography?  How lucrative is that compared to drugs?  Why can't we get any pictures of Lorenzo?  Why is everyone so afraid of him?  Just thoughts from my weary mind.

Goodnight all...and sweet dreams.  SHHHHH!  Don't wake Nemo.

Exactly what I've been saying for over a year now!!  Why?

[LilPuma]

XTC = LVR
DNA = Paulus, Joran & Lorenzo all related.

I don't know if you're right, but boy that's a good catch.  Smart!

[klaasend]

I need to call it a night myself - have class tomorrow and need to get up at 5.

See you all later tomorrow!  Goodnight!

[Tylergal]

Sunfreak, I do not think it is that far out there for the Dutch or perhaps even Aruba.  If you had seen the things people were searching for (from the NL) in regard to Natalee, you would not think that it is too far out for them.  That is a drug-infested country where incest is rampant and occurs by the age of 12 in most cases, and a large percentage of the population participates, and beastiality is a form of entertainment.

[KatzHome]

Boy ~ this is not really a note anyone wants to go to bed on...  but, you're right, Tyler ~ nothing seems to be too far out there for these people...

::sigh::  good night everyone.

[SunFreak2]

Sunfreak, I do not think it is that far out there for the Dutch or perhaps even Aruba.  If you had seen the things people were searching for (from the NL) in regard to Natalee, you would not think that it is too far out for them.  That is a drug-infested country where incest is rampant and occurs by the age of 12 in most cases, and a large percentage of the population participates, and beastiality is a form of entertainment.

Well, I choose to stick my head in the sand then.  That is too perverted to even try to comprehend, especially to someone against their will and I'm not naive by any means. I just don't want to go there with THAT happening to Natalee.

[Bearlyhere]

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In re-reading Satish's original statement as a witness, I did find where he says he and Deepak waited alone in Joran's apartment while Joran went to the "Big House" to print out his homework.  This would eliminate the computer in Joran's apartment or at least the printer there as I had thought existed.

This does surprise me for I would think three boys and one computer would make for very contentious household.  Maybe that explains some of the fighting.     Don't think that would have worked at my house, at least not very well.

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Yes, Anna, I agree.  

Add that to the fact that Jordan's spending habits both at the casino and at C&C's, as reported by him are outrageous.  Then add in the fact that Paulus has money to procure lawyers for everyone on the island and it does not add up, imo.

Let's not forget Anita who is a school teacher and needs to keep current.  They must have to take a number to get on the darn thing.  No wonder the poor delicious sporter has to stay up late, that must be his time on the computer.

If Joran would stay in for a week, I think they would have enough money to buy computers to go around.  

[blah]

Spock, some of those pictures you have enhanced, appear to look more like dead dogs than human.  Do you think there might have actually been dogs there?  No, I know no one agrees, but I do think it was meant to be canines, and not "sorry people."  I really think this plays right in with what I see some of the Europeans searching for when they come to this site.  I watched that site meter for months now and I have seen searches of "girls having sex with dogs" many times, and I believe they were talking about "dogs" as in animals.

after seeing what I saw on Joran's girlfriends friends website, I wonder about this.  Especially with all of the other dog references in this story including dogs blood on a matress, Joran killing his dog, etc..

The problem with this is people just cannot fathom it and prefer to just shut it out and not consider it.

Those movies/pictures have to come from somewhere and I just cannot comprehend a woman commiting such acts (as the ones I saw on that website) unless drugged and threatened beyond the point of reason.  Was that really a monkey that Beth heard in the background of that phone call?

[blah]

Anna - I'm a little slow tonight. Could you please elaborate for me?

Tylergal - Could you elaborate too, please.  If dogs attacked and killed Natalee, that would be a tragic accident, but could alos be explained, and not warrant this huge cover-up.

Did you see my post to you about Joran's gh having the link to the girl having sex with dogs?  Possibly a new video theme as even the grade school boys were making the regular rape variety on their cell phones, etc. Too ordinary.  Something new and novel like maybe their own bestiality vid.

It is just a thought and since I don't really buy any particular theory at this time, just keep thinking of things that could have been.

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I saw that website and reported it here.  Shortly afterwards, jorans girlfreind removed the link from her website and took down the pictures from aruba on her own website.

The website that had the dog sex pictures - it was on a website of a girl named Bridgette or Brigette not sure of the spelling.  It was MANY pictures of many different women performing every sex act you can think of with many different dogs.  Some of the pictures had improvised condoms on the dogs, others had nothing (bare). It made me so sick I had to close the webpage after maybe 10-15 seconds.  One thing I remember is some of those girls were good looking girls and I just dont see how they could do something like that without being drugged and threatened.

[Bearlyhere]

Good morning, Spunkeys!

San there is something for you in the testing section of the Monkey Lounge.

[Easywriter]

Anna - I'm a little slow tonight. Could you please elaborate for me?

Tylergal - Could you elaborate too, please.  If dogs attacked and killed Natalee, that would be a tragic accident, but could alos be explained, and not warrant this huge cover-up.

Did you see my post to you about Joran's gh having the link to the girl having sex with dogs?  Possibly a new video theme as even the grade school boys were making the regular rape variety on their cell phones, etc. Too ordinary.  Something new and novel like maybe their own bestiality vid.

It is just a thought and since I don't really buy any particular theory at this time, just keep thinking of things that could have been.

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I saw that website and reported it here.  Shortly afterwards, jorans girlfreind removed the link from her website and took down the pictures from aruba on her own website.

The website that had the dog sex pictures - it was on a website of a girl named Bridgette or Brigette not sure of the spelling.  It was MANY pictures of many different women performing every sex act you can think of with many different dogs.  Some of the pictures had improvised condoms on the dogs, others had nothing (bare). It made me so sick I had to close the webpage after maybe 10-15 seconds.  One thing I remember is some of those girls were good looking girls and I just dont see how they could do something like that without being drugged and threatened.

I remember following the links to several of FM's friends and there was a kinky them running through much of it.  I didn't have the nerve to click on that particular link, but do remember it being suggestive.

Hate to categorize people, but something is wrong with the young people in that part of the world and I think it has to do with dead brain cells and a complete lack of morality in their upbringing.

[San]

I remember following the links to several of FM's friends and there was a kinky them running through much of it.  I didn't have the nerve to click on that particular link, but do remember it being suggestive.

Hate to categorize people, but something is wrong with the young people in that part of the world and I think it has to do with dead brain cells and a complete lack of morality in their upbringing.

Guess what idiot c l i c k e d  on the link   And you are right Easy there is something wrong with the young people in that part of the world.

I think even FM realized that it is wrong because she took the pictures down pretty fast.  She might have thought it was a joke doing it but she got a rude awakening especially when she was monitority the SM board that day.  Could Joran have put her up to it?