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« Reply #320 on: September 14, 2006, 09:49:28 AM »

I posted this one on the Murder & Crime thread. dkpen (or anyone) - do we have more details about this? Interesting source cited.

Posted by dkpen at BFN:
Aruba Police rescue kidnapped sisters

Blackanthem.com, KIRKUK, Iraq, May 21, 2005

Aruba police successfully rescued two sisters, the victims of a kidnapping, on May 14. Police received information about the kidnapping and conducted a search of the area. Police located the women unharmed and took three men, including a brother of the women, into custody. Police charged two men with kidnapping, while the brother of the women faces kidnapping and murder charges. Police accuse him of killing his brother before taking his sisters hostage.

News Brief By 42nd Infantry Division PAO
http://www.blackanthem.com/TheAllies/2005052116.html

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« Reply #321 on: September 14, 2006, 10:17:59 AM »

msmarple - I am  Embarassed embarassed to say I haven't checked your thread for a little while.  I just went back and read it... I must say - It gives me chills!!!!  How in the world - after reading this - can ANYONE in their right mind want to go there???????
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« Reply #322 on: September 14, 2006, 10:23:50 AM »

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I posted this one on the Murder & Crime thread. dkpen (or anyone) - do we have more details about this? Interesting source cited.

Posted by dkpen at BFN:
Aruba Police rescue kidnapped sisters

Blackanthem.com, KIRKUK, Iraq, May 21, 2005

Aruba police successfully rescued two sisters, the victims of a kidnapping, on May 14. Police received information about the kidnapping and conducted a search of the area. Police located the women unharmed and took three men, including a brother of the women, into custody. Police charged two men with kidnapping, while the brother of the women faces kidnapping and murder charges. Police accuse him of killing his brother before taking his sisters hostage.

News Brief By 42nd Infantry Division PAO
http://www.blackanthem.com/TheAllies/2005052116.html

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I know that there is an area in Iraq called Aruba.  It looks like this story might be from Iraq.
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« Reply #323 on: September 14, 2006, 10:34:49 AM »

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I posted this one on the Murder & Crime thread. dkpen (or anyone) - do we have more details about this? Interesting source cited.

Posted by dkpen at BFN:
Aruba Police rescue kidnapped sisters

Blackanthem.com, KIRKUK, Iraq, May 21, 2005

Aruba police successfully rescued two sisters, the victims of a kidnapping, on May 14. Police received information about the kidnapping and conducted a search of the area. Police located the women unharmed and took three men, including a brother of the women, into custody. Police charged two men with kidnapping, while the brother of the women faces kidnapping and murder charges. Police accuse him of killing his brother before taking his sisters hostage.

News Brief By 42nd Infantry Division PAO
http://www.blackanthem.com/TheAllies/2005052116.html

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I know that there is an area in Iraq called Aruba.  It looks like this story might be from Iraq.


Right you are, Chicago510!  Nice to see you.  When this story made the rounds last time, I believe we determined the story to be from the "other" Aruba.....in Iraq.
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« Reply #324 on: September 14, 2006, 10:46:03 AM »

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I posted this one on the Murder & Crime thread. dkpen (or anyone) - do we have more details about this? Interesting source cited.

Posted by dkpen at BFN:
Aruba Police rescue kidnapped sisters

Blackanthem.com, KIRKUK, Iraq, May 21, 2005

Aruba police successfully rescued two sisters, the victims of a kidnapping, on May 14. Police received information about the kidnapping and conducted a search of the area. Police located the women unharmed and took three men, including a brother of the women, into custody. Police charged two men with kidnapping, while the brother of the women faces kidnapping and murder charges. Police accuse him of killing his brother before taking his sisters hostage.

News Brief By 42nd Infantry Division PAO
http://www.blackanthem.com/TheAllies/2005052116.html

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I know that there is an area in Iraq called Aruba.  It looks like this story might be from Iraq.


Right you are, Chicago510!  Nice to see you.  When this story made the rounds last time, I believe we determined the story to be from the "other" Aruba.....in Iraq.


In that case, someone needs to bomb that place!  Hmmmmm, nevermind.....
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« Reply #325 on: September 14, 2006, 10:47:23 AM »

Hi Peaches.  

I still stop by to check in on things every once in a while.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Aruba's "Deepthroat" will have some info to break the case.  I hope its not just another episode of false hope.  Eventually someone will talk.  They must be feeling the heat.

I think everyone was right about the Steve Croes photos.  He looks like he's had a rough year.
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« Reply #326 on: September 14, 2006, 10:58:25 AM »

Here you go, Easy:

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« Reply #327 on: September 14, 2006, 10:59:02 AM »

Chicago & Peaches -

Well of course that did occur to me, and I tried to LOCATE an Aruba in Iraq, but didn't turn one up. So I thought I would throw it out there for the monkeys interpretation.

Maybe it's a military nickname for an area?

The site had tidbits of information, including state-side, so ...
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« Reply #328 on: September 14, 2006, 11:03:08 AM »

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msmarple - I am  Embarassed embarassed to say I haven't checked your thread for a little while.  I just went back and read it... I must say - It gives me chills!!!!  How in the world - after reading this - can ANYONE in their right mind want to go there???????


Kimmy - Scary, isn't it? Given what we know about the attitude there ... ("She'll probably turn up at C&Cs on Ladies Night ... ")
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« Reply #329 on: September 14, 2006, 11:03:55 AM »

Anna - check your email at the addy you posted for me.
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« Reply #330 on: September 14, 2006, 11:04:07 AM »

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Chicago & Peaches -

Well of course that did occur to me, and I tried to LOCATE an Aruba in Iraq, but didn't turn one up. So I thought I would throw it out there for the monkeys interpretation.

Maybe it's a military nickname for an area?

The site had tidbits of information, including state-side, so ...



Based on everything else we know... it could just as easily happen in the othe Aruba!  If I didn't see that story before, I would have thought it was in the non-Iraq Aruba.
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« Reply #331 on: September 14, 2006, 11:10:08 AM »

Good morning everyone! Today is the Unity Worldwide Day of Prayer...thousands of people will all be praying in a worldwide prayer chain!!

Chicago, so nice to see you. I often wonder how/where you are!!  Laughing  Cool
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« Reply #332 on: September 14, 2006, 11:10:51 AM »

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Here you go, Easy:



That works for me except there seems to be a slight abnormality with those eggs?  What have those chickens been eating?  Laughing
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« Reply #333 on: September 14, 2006, 11:10:51 AM »

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I remember following the links to several of FM's friends and there was a kinky them running through much of it.  I didn't have the nerve to click on that particular link, but do remember it being suggestive.

Hate to categorize people, but something is wrong with the young people in that part of the world and I think it has to do with dead brain cells and a complete lack of morality in their upbringing.

Guess what idiot c l i c k e d  on the link Shocked   And you are right Easy there is something wrong with the young people in that part of the world.

I think even FM realized that it is wrong because she took the pictures down pretty fast.  She might have thought it was a joke doing it but she got a rude awakening especially when she was monitority the SM board that day.  Could Joran have put her up to it?



I don't think that link was just an accident.  No, I am not suggesting that this is my #1 most likely theory of what happened to Natalee but in light of what has been said in the statements and the link and the constant references to dogs throughout as well as the total obsession with porn by the key suspects (not one but TWO screens in cars even) I just think it needs to be looked at and made a possibility.

I also wanted to let certain parties who leave their little rat droppings for us to find (and probably hoping to shock us) know that they can be just turned right around on them.  It is they who are posting the links to every perversion under the sun.

They need to know we will not shy away nor back down from them even when disgusted by their filth.
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« Reply #334 on: September 14, 2006, 11:14:26 AM »

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Yes, MsMarple, that story is from Iraq.  I suspect even neighborhoods have little local names and that country lacks modern-day mapping so it is difficult to find anything.  I have had trouble finding locale of folks deployed there right from the beginning.  No way to know what part of the country they really are in for they are not mapped well.

Replied to your email concerning Dr. Tarlow.

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« Reply #335 on: September 14, 2006, 11:16:20 AM »

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Anyone else get hooked on the Panda Cam MsMarple or Easy posted the link to? Very Happy

I don't sleep well and when I wake in the middle of the night, I have to see if they are OK after the one in China smothered one of her twins.  Confused

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« Reply #336 on: September 14, 2006, 11:19:34 AM »

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Sunfreak, I do not think it is that far out there for the Dutch or perhaps even Aruba.  If you had seen the things people were searching for (from the NL) in regard to Natalee, you would not think that it is too far out for them.  That is a drug-infested country where incest is rampant and occurs by the age of 12 in most cases, and a large percentage of the population participates, and beastiality is a form of entertainment.


I'd like to know what the laws are about porn in Aruba.  I know that Holland is much more lax than the US, but does anyone have info on their laws - where's the line where porn become illegal?  The beastiality part really disgusts me.  I jokingly said a few weeks ago that we should stop pulling our punches and send in PETA.  If this is a common problem, I would alert them.  I don't like a lot of their super-aggressive tactics and don't agree with everything they advocate, but in cases like this, where a society condones and/or ignores it, they just might make a very public fuss.  Do we know if it's commonplace and do we have proof?
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« Reply #337 on: September 14, 2006, 11:28:49 AM »

If anyone encounters any of these pictues, it should be sent to Julia and Jossy - throw in Amigoe.  Caption it Are Aruba Girls Easy?
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« Reply #338 on: September 14, 2006, 11:33:38 AM »

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Anyone else get hooked on the Panda Cam MsMarple or Easy posted the link to? Very Happy

I don't sleep well and when I wake in the middle of the night, I have to see if they are OK after the one in China smothered one of her twins.  Confused

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I don't watch the panda cam, because I don't want to see any accidents.  All those hours of labor for that little biddy thing made me think of a picture sent me along with several more.

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« Reply #339 on: September 14, 2006, 11:33:49 AM »

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I'd like to know what the laws are about porn in Aruba.  I know that Holland is much more lax than the US, but does anyone have info on their laws - where's the line where porn become illegal?  The bestiality part really disgusts me.  I jokingly said a few weeks ago that we should stop pulling our punches and send in PETA.  If this is a common problem, I would alert them.  I don't like a lot of their super-aggressive tactics and don't agree with everything they advocate, but in cases like this, where a society condones and/or ignores it, they just might make a very public fuss.  Do we know if it's commonplace and do we have proof?


LilPuma,
They will deny it but it was not until 1998 that child porn was illegal in Holland.  This was done under international pressure from countries like the U.S. and the rest of the EU.  Well, part of the rest of the EU for the laws were the same for several other countries, there weren't any.  I would suspect that as long as the animal is not permanently physically harmed, there is no law about it at all.  Freedom of speech and all that.

As for how prevalent the problem is, you can just do a Google on any combination of words and get more responses than you can even imagine.  Do not click on any of them, however.  If you do They will proceed to then fill your email with solicitations to sites featuring every combination possible on the planet.  And some jerk signed me up for newsletter about some of them, too.  I sure hope I don't drop dead of a heart attack and my kids find that on my computer!   Rolling Eyes

I know what you are saying about PETA and wonder what the European version of that might be and if they would help in any way with this for it is terrible abuse of animals.  Sickos abound but I do believe it is legal along with prostitution.  The Kingdom of the Netherlands has only recently moved up from a Tier III to Tier I rating with our government because of human trafficking and all  manner of sleaze going on there.  Lots of the women in their huge Red Light district have said when interviewed away from there that they are being held against their will which I can well believe.  Many from the fall of the former Soviet Bloc countries.  Very poor and no where to go.
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