Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #27

[stayhomemommy]

3 year old pornography? willingl by a 23 year old mother possibly abused as a child?  GET A GRIP PEOPLE.

Ummm. You should check this out: http://www.religionnewsblog.com/11223

Notice some were INFANTS!

[Tony]

After watching Oprah the other night, about internet child porn (it was sooooooo distrubing) anything is possible.  I just hate to even think she that evil.  She is evil enough with what we do already know!  I also think the media, some investigating journalists, would have uncovered some of this and it would have been mentioned already.  JMO

You would think.  That girl who recently died at the hands of her uncle, who tried to initiate her into a supposedly sex ring.. before they even found her body (IIRC), there was talk of that, between the uncle and the girl's step-dad.

It's just so amazing how sick people are. It's bad enough when you're hurting children, but when you're doing it to a child you're related to, who is supposed to trust you? 

So true So disgusting,

The child killed in Vermont was a 12 year old I think, not a baby like Caylee,she was takenby her uncle a sick pervert. Caylee was last in the hands of her MOTHER, casey Anthony. Not even close analogy.

[anothermonkey]

WAY TOO FAR, STRETCH TO UNBELEIVABLE,  SPECULATION OR STUPID CONJECTURE, SAME THING. STOP THE CRAP. THINK CLEAR'

I don't personally think it's the most likely scenario.. I don't see evidence supporting it, to this point. However, I wouldn't call it stupid or "crap", because you know.. either way, we really have NO clue.  Casey is a twisted person, that is for sure.  Do I think she sold her daughter for sex? I have to say I doubt it. Is it possible? She's sure as hell not going to tell us, is she?  She's capable of quite a lot, it seems like..  of how much remains to be seen.

[anothermonkey]

After watching Oprah the other night, about internet child porn (it was sooooooo distrubing) anything is possible.  I just hate to even think she that evil.  She is evil enough with what we do already know!  I also think the media, some investigating journalists, would have uncovered some of this and it would have been mentioned already.  JMO

You would think.  That girl who recently died at the hands of her uncle, who tried to initiate her into a supposedly sex ring.. before they even found her body (IIRC), there was talk of that, between the uncle and the girl's step-dad.

It's just so amazing how sick people are. It's bad enough when you're hurting children, but when you're doing it to a child you're related to, who is supposed to trust you? 

So true So disgusting,

The child killed in Vermont was a 12 year old I think, not a baby like Caylee,she was takenby her uncle a sick pervert. Caylee was last in the hands of her MOTHER, casey Anthony. Not even close analogy.

You messed the quote thing up Tony, but it doesn't matter if the kid is 3 or 12. It doesn't matter who she was last seen with. (Mothers can be just as sick as Uncles, in some cases).  If something this major was going on, MyT is right-  I think we would have heard about it by now. Don't you??

[iris44]

We knew at the beginning of this case that if Casey didn't tell the truth, then Baez would need to find a fall guy, someone to blame instead of Casey.  Jesse appears to be the fall guy.  I think he'll come out of this all right, as he appears honest and upright.  I wonder who they might choose as the next fall guy when Jesse is exonerated?

If Baez is truly bringing Jesse into this, either Casey is lying to Baez and told him Jesse was the accomplice, or Casey told Baez the truth and Jesse was the accomplice.  It's a simple as that.

[Switchy]

3 year old pornography? willingl by a 23 year old mother possibly abused as a child?  GET A GRIP PEOPLE.

Ummm. You should check this out: http://www.religionnewsblog.com/11223

Notice some were INFANTS!

Here's another:  http://www.thenewsherald.com/stories/010608/loc_20080106006.shtml

Anyway, we could go on with this all day.  Day after day.  I worked in a sex offender rehabilitation program in a federal prison for almost 4 years, and worked with hundreds, probably thousands, of people incarcerated for this stuff.  Infants, toddlers, middle school age, and teenaged victims were all well represented.  Lots of child porn - LOTS of it.

If you really want an eye-opening look at this issue, google is your friend.  It is EVERYWHERE.  I'm not stating as fact that this is what has occurred with Caylee, but it absolutely is entirely possible and plausible.

[Steel Monkey]

I'm sorry, but it really bugs me that Cindy - who claims Caylee is still alive, hence the passing out of fliers and t-shirts and going on all the media circuits - is now stating that Jesse Grund has something to do with Caylee's death- actually that he killed her and put her body in the trunk of Casey's car.

Is Cindy saying this because he's Hispanic?
Is she saying this because Casey told her so?
Is she willing to publicly state this and quit the "denial"?  It's put-up or shut up time!!

I'd like to know:
-When would Jesse have done this?
-How would he have known where Caylee was, and how to get access to her?
-Why that day/night?
-If he was willing to marry Casey and raise Caylee as his own, why the hell would he kill her?
-IF he would have done such a thing, why would he put the body in Casey's trunk, and basically frame her for murder?  (Unless he hated Casey that much!)

It just doesn't make any sense. And I dare Cindy to come out publicly - on national television - and state this.  It's completely outrageous, IMO.

Sorry - a few pages behind.  Other than Geraldo mentioning this the other night, have we heard Cindy directly state her position on this?  That would be a HUGE change for her, for it would assume Caylee is dead.

[jjayinthemorning]

If Baez is truly bringing Jesse into this, either Casey is lying to Baez and told him Jesse was the accomplice, or Casey told Baez the truth and Jesse was the accomplice.  It's a simple as that.

Well said. I don't think Baez can dream up a defense and then go after someone unless his client confesses.
So what info do we have on Jesse? Age, residence, jobs, other women, how long he knew Casey, did the Anthony's approve?

[anothermonkey]

We knew at the beginning of this case that if Casey didn't tell the truth, then Baez would need to find a fall guy, someone to blame instead of Casey.  Jesse appears to be the fall guy.  I think he'll come out of this all right, as he appears honest and upright.  I wonder who they might choose as the next fall guy when Jesse is exonerated?

If Baez is truly bringing Jesse into this, either Casey is lying to Baez and told him Jesse was the accomplice, or Casey told Baez the truth and Jesse was the accomplice.  It's a simple as that.

OR, this is all Cindy's idea?

Baez doesn't talk to anybody but Casey (and the occasional mic).  I doubt he would tell Cindy what Casey told him in confidence.  If Casey herself told Cindy this, then my thought is that she (Casey) is using another Hispanic to get Cindy all worked up- first a supposed Hispanic babysitter, now an Hispanic ex fiance.  If Cindy is so racist, this is perfect- yet another reason to deny the idea that her daughter could be capable of murder.

[stayhomemommy]

I'm not stating as fact that this is what has occurred with Caylee, but it absolutely is entirely possible and plausible.

Ditto.

[Blonde]

this gets more confusing by the day!! Was it a NG or LP tidbit that LE thinks KC had help? If so I sure hope it wasn't J Grund. I'm hoping he was set up to be the fall guy in all of this. all the way down to maybe showering DNA down his drain pipes. Wonder did police check his phone records to see if KC's usual  calls showed up on his phones for that 24 hr. period or whatever she made no calls. I hope that man passed his poly. if so and someone did try to set him up would that make it M # 1 if a friendship was renewed out of the blue quite recently? Introduced to Tony so feelings of jealousy could be said to be motive to mom. Oh my just thinking about the possibilities here.

I wonder how much help Tony gave her.  She was really desperate to talk to him from jail.

Don't forget her was in NY from June 30th to July5th so not much. in this time frame.



6/27 Casey calls Jessie, asks him if he wants go out partying 6/27 Casey's car is spotted at Amscot next to a dumpster approx 7AM backed into a space near their dumpster
6/30 Car towed and impounded
6/30 to 7/5 Tony Lazarro was reported to be in New York Late June to Mid July: Casey was in touch with a Marine in CA Mark Hawkins (mid July) She said she wanted to visit him in CA soon to tell him something, she had another relationship with a Marine in 2006-2007 (Brad or Brandon -see his myspace I posted several pages back here). My theory is she was planning to flee to CA.
7/2 Casey gets Bella Vida tattoo (Meaning in Italian, Beautiful Life) She told the tattoo people that she was supposed to go to PR with the gang but couldn't b/c of $-plans on coming back later that month for another tattoo
7/2 to 7/6 Amy says Casey with her almost nonstop w/o Caylee unless Amy was at work
7/3 Casey tells Jesse not to talk to her parents if they call & to "stay out of it". 7/3 Pictures of Casey emerge of her at a 4th of July party at Tony's house, shes naked draped in an American flag having a good ole time
7/4 Casey tells Jesse she's tell him the whole story - maybe when she's drunk

[Steel Monkey]

WAY TOO FAR, STRETCH TO UNBELEIVABLE,  SPECULATION OR STUPID CONJECTURE, SAME THING. STOP THE CRAP. THINK CLEAR'

I don't personally think it's the most likely scenario.. I don't see evidence supporting it, to this point. However, I wouldn't call it stupid or "crap", because you know.. either way, we really have NO clue.  Casey is a twisted person, that is for sure.  Do I think she sold her daughter for sex? I have to say I doubt it. Is it possible? She's sure as hell not going to tell us, is she?  She's capable of quite a lot, it seems like..  of how much remains to be seen.

The problem with this whole porn ring conspiracy, IMO, is that people make a lot of money at this.  Casey would have had access to a lot of cash.  She did not.  That is why she was stealing from everyone.  Just doesn't make sense from a financial perspective.

[sandy leiva]

  Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #27
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Casey says She Left Her Daughter In Park
Last Edited: Saturday, 06 Sep 2008, 7:59 AM EDT
Created: Friday, 05 Sep 2008, 9:53 PM EDT

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- The public story that has been most often attributed to Casey Anthony concerning the disappearance of her daughter Caylee may not be the same one she is telling privately.

According to the man who drove Casey Anthony around during the time she was first released on bond said Friday that Casey told him she left three year old Caylee with her babysitter at Blanchard Park in East Orange County.

Rob Dick is a bounty hunter who took Casey Anthony to and from her parent’s home in East Orange County to the jail for appointments and her attorney’s office in Kissimmee. 

Dick said that Casey was very talkative during the rides and spoke of her missing daughter in the present tense. And even though he wasn’t allowed to ask her any questions about the case, she gave him several names she said were involved in the disappearance of her daughter.

“She would try to, you know, give me leads and things to look into,” he said. “A lot of confirming of her story that she gave police.”

Dick also said that Casey never really showed any emotion.

“There was no crying,” he said. “There was no frustration other than the fact it seemed like it wasn't getting anywhere. She was telling a story and nobody was believing her.”

Caylee Anthony has been missing since the middle of June. Casey didn’t report her disappearance until July.

According to investigators the story she told them, and the one most often quoted in the media, was that she left Casey with a babysitter named Zanida Fernandez -Gonzalez at an apartment in Orange County. But when investigators went to the apartment, no one by the name lived there. Shortly after Casey was arrested and charged with child neglect making false statements and obstructing the investigation into her daughter's disappearance.
Investigators eventually did find a woman matching the name who had visited the apartment Casey named, but she said she didn’t know Casey Anthony or the child.

According to Dick, the story Casey told him was that she had left Caylee with Zanida Fernandez –Gonzalez and Gonzalez’s sister Samantha at Blanchard Park in East Orange County, and according to Dick, Casey Anthony was given a ‘script’ to use for 30 days that would be used to explain Caylee’s disappearance to Casey’s parents and the authorities.    

[mytime]

Please go to Oprah's website. It was just on last week.  It is unbelievable.  Only maybe 2% of these sick, sick predators are being caught.  Only half of 1% ever get prosecured.  We don't have the money or the resources to keep up the internet porn and the predators know it.  There is a new bill, generic letter and website for you to email or mail your letter to do.  We all need to participate in this.

http://www.oprah.com/slideshow/oprahshow/20080911_tows_predators/1

To be honset, I am no a die hard Oprah fan, but I will watch if the topic is interesting and this show just blew my mind!!!!

[Tamikosmom]

I speculate that Jesse did assist Casey on June 16th in some compacity or ... at the very least ... he was made aware of what happened to Caylee.

I do not believe that Cindy implicating Jesse is something she pulled out of the blue.  There must be a foundation.

Think about it.  Phone records reveal that Casey called Jesse in that flurry of cell phone activity on the afternoon of June 16th.  However ... Jesse fails to address this call specifically to Geraldo last night.

Also ... Jesse still claims to Geraldo that he "thinks" he heard Caylee in the background when he was conversing with Casey on August 24th.  I speculate that this is a futile attempt to take the focus off of June 16th.

Then when you consider Jesse backing Casey to Geraldo up in regards to "Zanny".

Then there is his sudden departure from the police force.  I am not sure how this happening fits into the the entire scenario but ... I believe it does.

I realize that he has taken a lie detector test but ... the article does not state that he passed.  It does not imply if there were some discrepancies.

I could be wrong.  Story of my life.

 

Janet

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JESSE GRUND - GERALDO
September 20, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/user/bigjuicykungfu

Credit: Carpe


THE FLURRY OF CELL PHONE ACTIVITY - JUNE 16TH & JUNE 18TH

On the Record w/ Greta
Behind the CSI Return to Caylee's Grandparents' House
Thursday, August 07, 2008

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

MARK FUHRMAN, FMR LAPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: June 16, George and Cynthia still have Caylee and Casey in the house. And at about 12:50, Casey leaves with Caylee from the Anthony residence. Cindy is already at work, the mother. The mother of Casey is already at work. George leaves at approximately 2:30 PM that day

Now, what we're learning here is that this timeline is tightened up to June 16, and now we can even tighten up just exactly what kind of activity was actually going on that afternoon. Later in the afternoon, starting at about 3:00 o'clock, we have a source that has shown us that there is a flurry of cell phone activity from Casey's phone. Some of those calls, six in a row, that are just a two minute or two apart, trying to get ahold of her father, six phone calls to her mother and two other individuals which we are not describing at this time.

Now, the activity ceases for about two hours at about 4:00 o'clock, and then continues several other phone calls to the mother, the father and a couple of other individuals between about 6:00 and about 7:30. There are no other calls until the next day. That would be the 17th.

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(END VIDEOTAPE)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,399183,00.html


Leaked Phone Records Reveal Details About Casey Anthony Calls
POSTED: 11:51 am EDT August 13, 2008
UPDATED: 6:02 pm EDT August 13, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News learned Wednesday there's a more detailed record of some of Casey Anthony's calls made before Caylee was reported missing.

Eyewitness News learned deals of the leaked phone records, which show that on Monday, June 16 Casey Anthony called her parents six times in just over an hour. The records show exactly whom she called and what time the calls were made.

According to the leaked records, Casey made six calls to her parents on the afternoon of June 16, with the first call at 3:03pm to her father's cell phone and the last of the six made to her mom's cell phone at 4:24. During that time she also tried her mother at work and called her ex-fiancé, Jesse Grund.

The next day, June 17, neighbors told investigators that Casey borrowed a shovel from them. Then, on June 18, there was another spike in calls to her parents, six in 45 minutes during the early part of the afternoon. According to the leaked records, three calls were made to her parent's home phone, two to her mom's cell phone and one to her dad's cell phone, all between 12:33pm and 1:11pm.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17180007/detail.html


CELL PHONE LOG
Posted August 12, 2008
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68910


JUNE 16TH

3:03pm - George Anthony's Cell
4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work
4:11pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
4:14pm - Cindy Anthony's Work
4:19pm - Anthony Lazzaro
4:21pm - Jesse Grund
4:24pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
6:32pm - The Anthony Home
6:33pm - Voicemail
7:06pm - The Anthony Home
7:20pm - Amy Huizenga
 

JUNE 17TH - NOT REVEALED


JUNE 18TH

12:33pm - The Anthony Home
12:34pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
12:35pm - The Anthony Home
12:36pm - George Anthony Cell
1:09pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
1:11pm - The Anthony Home


JESSE GRUND TAKES LIE DETECTOR TEST

HOA Re-Filing Injunction To Keep Protesters Out Of Neighborhood
POSTED: 6:00 am EDT September 16, 2008
UPDATED: 12:55 pm EDT September 17, 2008

CASEY'S FORMER FRIENDS TAKE LIE DETECTOR TESTS

Detectives still can't shake the truth from Caylee's mom Casey, but her ex-fiancé, ex-lover and ex-best friend have talked and investigators want to make sure it's legitimate.

Sources told Eyewitness News exclusively that Casey's ex-fiancé Jesse Grund, ex-lover Ricardo Morales and ex-best friend Amy Huizenga all went through lie detector tests. Sources said they were conducted not because they were accused of anything, but to make sure detectives could confirm all the details of their stories.

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http://www.wftv.com/news/17483047/detail.html

[cubbeegirl]

3 year old pornography? willingl by a 23 year old mother possibly abused as a child?  GET A GRIP PEOPLE.

Unfortunately, it does happen , Tony, far more than anyone would like to believe. I do, myself have a grip, which is why I enjoy Scared Monkeys Forum, where I am free to explore any and all possibilities.

[AZLady]

A large part of the child porn business is the video and pics taken of children in sexual positions.  This is sold and traded extensively.  I believe Casey wanted to be a model at one time.  I wonder if she volunteered Caylee as a model. 

[bleachedblack]

After watching Oprah the other night, about internet child porn (it was sooooooo distrubing) anything is possible.  I just hate to even think she that evil.  She is evil enough with what we do already know!  I also think the media, some investigating journalists, would have uncovered some of this and it would have been mentioned already.  JMO

You would think.  That girl who recently died at the hands of her uncle, who tried to initiate her into a supposedly sex ring.. before they even found her body (IIRC), there was talk of that, between the uncle and the girl's step-dad.

It's just so amazing how sick people are. It's bad enough when you're hurting children, but when you're doing it to a child you're related to, who is supposed to trust you? 

Brooke Bennett

[iris44]

this gets more confusing by the day!! Was it a NG or LP tidbit that LE thinks KC had help? If so I sure hope it wasn't J Grund. I'm hoping he was set up to be the fall guy in all of this. all the way down to maybe showering DNA down his drain pipes. Wonder did police check his phone records to see if KC's usual  calls showed up on his phones for that 24 hr. period or whatever she made no calls. I hope that man passed his poly. if so and someone did try to set him up would that make it M # 1 if a friendship was renewed out of the blue quite recently? Introduced to Tony so feelings of jealousy could be said to be motive to mom. Oh my just thinking about the possibilities here.

I wonder how much help Tony gave her.  She was really desperate to talk to him from jail.

Don't forget her was in NY from June 30th to July5th so not much. in this time frame.



6/27 Casey calls Jessie, asks him if he wants go out partying 6/27 Casey's car is spotted at Amscot next to a dumpster approx 7AM backed into a space near their dumpster
6/30 Car towed and impounded
6/30 to 7/5 Tony Lazarro was reported to be in New York Late June to Mid July: Casey was in touch with a Marine in CA Mark Hawkins (mid July) She said she wanted to visit him in CA soon to tell him something, she had another relationship with a Marine in 2006-2007 (Brad or Brandon -see his myspace I posted several pages back here). My theory is she was planning to flee to CA.
7/2 Casey gets Bella Vida tattoo (Meaning in Italian, Beautiful Life) She told the tattoo people that she was supposed to go to PR with the gang but couldn't b/c of $-plans on coming back later that month for another tattoo
7/2 to 7/6 Amy says Casey with her almost nonstop w/o Caylee unless Amy was at work
7/3 Casey tells Jesse not to talk to her parents if they call & to "stay out of it". 7/3 Pictures of Casey emerge of her at a 4th of July party at Tony's house, shes naked draped in an American flag having a good ole time
7/4 Casey tells Jesse she's tell him the whole story - maybe when she's drunk

6/27 [/b] Casey calls Jessie, asks him if he wants go out partying 6/27 Casey's car is spotted at Amscot next to a dumpster approx 7AM backed into a space near their dumpster

Is there a transcript of this phone call?  Is Jesse accounted for on the night of 6/27?  If this is another coincidence, Jesse is having a huge run of bad coincidences.

[A_News_Junkie_Monkey]

Did anyone read this?

Casey Anthony said she used to call Zenaida Gonzalez "Zanny," which Eyewitness News found out is also the street name for the anti-anxiety drug Xanax.

   I finally got membership!   So, hello all!
First, I was gonna ask about the fact that Lisa brought up in this post.  Is it possible that CA gave Caylee xanax as a "babysitter"?  Similar to the theory of the Chloroform?
Second, tonight Jessie says, "I can't see her doing that intentionally."
Could it be that he knows that CA used the xanax and gave it to knock out Caylee?
Third, the other night on Nancy Grace - LP said something that has bugged me to no end - he said there is a book with zanny the nanny.  I found the book, I think :  http://www.amazon.com/Double-Trouble-Squared-Starbuck-Adventure/dp/0152241272/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product
if you do a search this book 70 pages mention Zanny.  He knows something.  Later in the week, he said she made the name up - did she or does he know she was referencing this book somehow?
My gut has told me since the day she told Lee that her phone was in Jay Blanchard park that that is where that child is.  That park keeps coming up to. 
Anyway, nice to meet you all!  

Okay, I linked off my first post on purpose.  Stayhomemommy - sorry I asked - sure didn't want you to get grief for expressing an idea.  However, I do think it is possible.  I actually said last night in my first post, that Zanny the babysitter might have been xanax.   At that time, I was pondering did she use it to knock Caylee out to party.  But whether we like it or not, this is a different world we live in than the Brady Bunch lived in. 
Your theory would also explain the DNA found, the reason not to report, the supposed list of what to say for 30 days, etc.  The family has tried to make us feel that this had undertones similar to mofia - that their lives were in danger or Caylee would be killed if they spoke.  Sure would explain the nagging question of why nobody seems to have ever said they saw her during the day when she was "working."
It would actually explain the "need" for all the lies.  God help her, if she was involved in something like that - I don't think there is a prison she would be safe in.
We know this is a bizarre case, so I hope that this forum is a safe place to explore even the ugliest of theories, safely.