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mrsrocko19
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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Reply #1640 on:
September 24, 2008, 02:06:17 PM »
Quote from: KiahJ on September 24, 2008, 01:54:09 PM
Quote from: Tot on September 24, 2008, 01:47:59 PM
Quote from: KiahJ on September 24, 2008, 01:40:14 PM
Quote from: mrsrocko19 on September 24, 2008, 12:45:37 PM
I take it tony didn't ell Le about the text message from Casey..The one that states.. if they don't find her guess who will be spending eternity in jail??? I wonder if she meant her of if that was a threat? I really don't know what to think about that..I wasn't really convinced with Tony's statement
Funny that you say that b/c when I first read it, I read it as a threat.... that she was telling him that she was going to tell on him basically...
Well now that you mention it,it very well could be a threat..Good catch there KiahJ..Hmmmmmmmmmm....
Except for I am not sure that I buy that the text message actually ever happened. In Amy's statement, it seemed to me that LE was surprised about the mention of this message, as if perhaps Tony had not told THEM about it (though Amy said that Tony said he told LE)...
He seems shifty to me. This whole "I may not come home from NY" and her flipping out and getting all upset that he wasn't coming home seems to me that perhaps she killed her kid for him, and now he wasn't coming back, and her whole plan was falling to pieces.
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Or she was afraid he was leaving her to take all the blame..I could be wrong i just wasn't crazy about his statement.. He made no sense to me anyway. I do believe there is something le was doing on the side with tony..Maybe wear a wire or something...The 40 dollars and if you read the statement of Tony's the det stated he didn't want o put it on tape..Then talks about 40 dollars and read it from there..I get the impression they were gonna wire tony.
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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Quote from: Kristin on September 24, 2008, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on September 24, 2008, 02:01:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 24, 2008, 01:41:26 PM
Who is clint?
Clint is Tony L's friend and ex-roommate.
Kristin
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I started a new thread for Clint. Is it Tony L. that you want the other thread for? I did not sticky Clint's....if it gets used a lot in the future, perhaps it should be.
Thank you !
Yes Tony L. Please
Clint is waiting to be approved so he can post.
Is their a way you can approve him so he does not have to wait?
I have his email if that will help I can email it to ya
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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Quote from: Kristin on September 24, 2008, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on September 24, 2008, 02:01:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 24, 2008, 01:41:26 PM
Who is clint?
Clint is Tony L's friend and ex-roommate.
Kristin
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I started a new thread for Clint. Is it Tony L. that you want the other thread for? I did not sticky Clint's....if it gets used a lot in the future, perhaps it should be.
Thank you !
Yes Tony L. Please
Clint is waiting to be approved so he can post.Is their a way you can approve him so he does not have to wait? I have his email if that will help I can email it to ya
I wish I could help ,but Klaas and Red are the only ones
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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Quote from: Kristin on September 24, 2008, 02:03:17 PM
Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on September 24, 2008, 02:01:27 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 24, 2008, 01:41:26 PM
Who is clint?
Clint is Tony L's friend and ex-roommate.
Kristin
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I started a new thread for Clint. Is it Tony L. that you want the other thread for? I did not sticky Clint's....if it gets used a lot in the future, perhaps it should be.
Thank you !
Yes Tony L. Please
Clint is waiting to be approved so he can post.Is their a way you can approve him so he does not have to wait? I have his email if that will help I can email it to ya
As Blonde has already posted, only Klaas, Red & Dugga can approve.
FYI, anyone can start a new thread....it's just mods/admins that can sticky/lock them, etc.
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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Quote from: klaasend on September 24, 2008, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: Kristin on September 24, 2008, 01:06:11 PM
Quote from: klaasend on September 24, 2008, 12:55:02 PM
Quote from: Kristin on September 24, 2008, 12:44:18 PM
Klaas can you check your email please and let me no as soon as possible. I did not get your other email.
TIA
Kristin
- I answered the ONE email I received from you yesterday. The answer was fine with me and we could set up a separate thread. Not sure why they would want to though.
I don't know why your emails, except that one, aren't getting to me.
I don't know either anyway I emailed you what T had said if you can set up a different thread for Him and Have whatever people would ask him and he will answer
Sorry, had to run out for about an hour. Let me catch up than I'll work on this.
Great thank you I sent you an email with his email addy if that helps
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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Quote from: Kristin on September 24, 2008, 01:37:48 PM
Klaas or another mod Can you set up a thread for Clint H.
he is willing to come over and answer questions and also a thread for Tony he said he would answer any questions that we have or atleast try. Clint has registered and is waiting to be approved
Still catching up - Clint's account is approved
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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Quote from: klaasend on September 24, 2008, 11:03:54 AM
Does anyone know if the Target could also have groceries? Like a Super Walmart?
Hi Klaas, i don't know if anyone answered you, I'm 10 pages behind, but in FL we had Super Target they had groceries and meat departments.
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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Quote from: Tony on September 24, 2008, 01:41:26 PM
Who is clint?
Tony's roommate that was interviewed by Greta.
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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The mods are echoing....
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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Are Clint and Tony allowed legally to talk about the case?
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Quote from: nikkibnurse on September 24, 2008, 12:49:07 PM
Quote from: FL Grammy on September 24, 2008, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on September 24, 2008, 12:10:23 PM
Where is Casey today? At Baez' office again?
This entire family knows by now that Casey killed Caylee....I was leaning toward accident but after reading all this stuff...I am about to change my mind.
I've been leaning toward accidental too until I read these docs. Now, I firmly believe it was premeditated murder. Caylee's doll in the auto - the one she never went anywhere without? Nothing missing from Caylee's room? This is just a very sad state of affairs.
Hey FL Grammy..cool pic!! Who is he?
That's my son. He's in Fed. LE
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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Quote from: bleachedblack on September 24, 2008, 02:10:22 PM
Are Clint and Tony allowed legally to talk about the case?
Good question. In any case 2NJ has set up a thread for questions for Clint:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3433.0
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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Quote from: 2NJSons_Mom on September 24, 2008, 02:09:53 PM
The mods are echoing....
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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We have more pieces of the puzzle, but there are still some big pieces missing. Since discovery only pertains to current charges, and the puzzle is actually bigger than those charges, I am confident that LE has many of those "missing" pieces and continues to locate the rest. Since there is no statute of limitations on murder, I support LE in taking their time building the case. It doesn't make the wait any easier! My sadness, disgust, and outrage at the behavior of this family continue to grow with each bit of information released.
Based on what we know now, I believe:
-Casey is solely responsible for Caylee's fate on June 15 or 16 - driven by spite, selfishness, jealousy and rage. I can't even consider "accident" as a possibility anymore. She has laid too much groundwork in advance for this to be anything accidental (fictitious nanny, car smell, faulty gas gauges)
-There was at least one accomplice in disposal/cleanup. I'm currently leaning toward a non-family member as one accomplice. I think Casey is too lazy and too much of a princess to get her hands too dirty – of course, there would be plenty of motivation in this instance, wouldn’t there???
-Casey isn't overly smart, but she's watched enough crime TV to know a few tricks and possibly throw out some red herrings to detour investigation - chloroform, maybe, maybe not, can't decide.
-At least one person in the family has been actively involved in cover-up from very early on. If other family members have not been in cover-up mode and believe even .000000001% of the stuff they dish out, there is some major idiocy in the gene pool. (OK, make that even MORE idiocy)
-Regardless of whether charges are filed and proven against any other member of the family, I believe they will live the rest of their lives in a hell of their own making. The seeds for this tragedy were sown long ago. It's a wonder this powder keg didn't blow some time ago with Cindy and George as Casey's prey
-Get your score cards ready because the twists and turns at trial, finger pointing, blame games are going to be of epic proportions! It will definitely be a battle between good and evil.
Of course, this is all just my opinion and subject to change. My utter disdain for this family's actions only deepens by the hour and will not change. Sorry for the rant - I stay quiet most of the time, but I have to vent occasionally. Thanks for letting me hang out with you Monkeys!
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #2
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Quote from: Brandi on September 24, 2008, 02:06:00 PM
Quote from: yuknomenot on September 24, 2008, 01:56:03 PM
Does anybody know where I can find the full video of the 7/22 hearing, or at least George's testimony beginning with his approach to the stand? I have searched and searched, but can only find parts of the hearing and none with George. TIA
Just found it for you at
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7038761&version=1&locale=EN-US
Thank you so much! I don't know how I missed it there. Does anyone else find Casey's facial expressions interesting as George begins to speak?
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I have just requested 591 pages from the Kinkos in Orlando that has the complete document. Their address is 47 E Robinson St, Suite 105 in Orlando. They will ship via Federal Express the entire 591 pages (hardcopy) for a cost of $47.21 + shipping or they will send it electronically for a cost of $591. I emailed them at
usa3994@fedexkinkos.com
and requested that they send it to me via Federal Express. In the email they ask for you to tell them what it is you want, where to send it and how you will pay for it. I'll let you know what I find out - but I'm hoping to receive it tomorrow.
Kinko's phone number is: (407) 839-5000.
This is the phone number of the states attorney's office that gave me the kinkos info: 407-836-2400
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71797&page=2
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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Quote from: Gizmo on September 24, 2008, 02:12:50 PM
We have more pieces of the puzzle, but there are still some big pieces missing. Since discovery only pertains to current charges, and the puzzle is actually bigger than those charges, I am confident that LE has many of those "missing" pieces and continues to locate the rest. Since there is no statute of limitations on murder, I support LE in taking their time building the case. It doesn't make the wait any easier! My sadness, disgust, and outrage at the behavior of this family continue to grow with each bit of information released.
Based on what we know now, I believe:
-Casey is solely responsible for Caylee's fate on June 15 or 16 - driven by spite, selfishness, jealousy and rage. I can't even consider "accident" as a possibility anymore. She has laid too much groundwork in advance for this to be anything accidental (fictitious nanny, car smell, faulty gas gauges)
-There was at least one accomplice in disposal/cleanup. I'm currently leaning toward a non-family member as one accomplice. I think Casey is too lazy and too much of a princess to get her hands too dirty – of course, there would be plenty of motivation in this instance, wouldn’t there???
-Casey isn't overly smart, but she's watched enough crime TV to know a few tricks and possibly throw out some red herrings to detour investigation - chloroform, maybe, maybe not, can't decide.
-At least one person in the family has been actively involved in cover-up from very early on. If other family members have not been in cover-up mode and believe even .000000001% of the stuff they dish out, there is some major idiocy in the gene pool. (OK, make that even MORE idiocy)
-Regardless of whether charges are filed and proven against any other member of the family, I believe they will live the rest of their lives in a hell of their own making. The seeds for this tragedy were sown long ago. It's a wonder this powder keg didn't blow some time ago with Cindy and George as Casey's prey
-Get your score cards ready because the twists and turns at trial, finger pointing, blame games are going to be of epic proportions! It will definitely be a battle between good and evil.
Of course, this is all just my opinion and subject to change. My utter disdain for this family's actions only deepens by the hour and will not change. Sorry for the rant - I stay quiet most of the time, but I have to vent occasionally. Thanks for letting me hang out with you Monkeys!
I agree and I believe that family memeber to be LEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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Quote from: FL Grammy on September 24, 2008, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: nikkibnurse on September 24, 2008, 12:49:07 PM
Quote from: FL Grammy on September 24, 2008, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: Lala'sMom on September 24, 2008, 12:10:23 PM
Where is Casey today? At Baez' office again?
This entire family knows by now that Casey killed Caylee....I was leaning toward accident but after reading all this stuff...I am about to change my mind.
I've been leaning toward accidental too until I read these docs. Now, I firmly believe it was premeditated murder. Caylee's doll in the auto - the one she never went anywhere without? Nothing missing from Caylee's room? This is just a very sad state of affairs.
Hey FL Grammy..cool pic!! Who is he?
That's my son. He's in Fed. LE
Hey granny... my husband is also in Fed LE... is your son UD in DC?
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #29
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Quote from: mrskub on September 24, 2008, 02:15:07 PM
Posted on WS. I almost fell outa my chair!
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I have just requested 591 pages from the Kinkos in Orlando that has the complete document. Their address is 47 E Robinson St, Suite 105 in Orlando. They will ship via Federal Express the entire 591 pages (hardcopy) for a cost of $47.21 + shipping or they will send it electronically for a cost of $591. I emailed them at
usa3994@fedexkinkos.com
and requested that they send it to me via Federal Express. In the email they ask for you to tell them what it is you want, where to send it and how you will pay for it. I'll let you know what I find out - but I'm hoping to receive it tomorrow.
Kinko's phone number is: (407) 839-5000.
This is the phone number of the states attorney's office that gave me the kinkos info: 407-836-2400
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71797&page=2
They are going to have it quicker than that. Someone over there is on their way to pick up a copy right now.
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #2
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Quote from: KiahJ on September 24, 2008, 01:42:27 PM
Quote from: Blonde on September 24, 2008, 12:46:42 PM
Quote from: Katysmom on September 24, 2008, 12:38:29 PM
I am waaay behind you guys. I'm still reading the documents and haven't followed your discussion. I'm sure someone already caught this, if so ignore it. While reading Amy's interview she said she had $800.00 cash in her pocket, fell asleep on the couch and woke up the next morning in a different pair of pants. Casey told her she had been sleep walking and probably hid the money somewhere. CASEY USED CHLOROFORM ON AMY!!!!
I think Casey may have given her xanax in a drink, and the CHLOROFORM was use on the clean up.
um... i didn't see the thing about the $800 - though i did see the thing about the pants change... soooooo.... why in the world was she carrying around $800 in her pocket?
I was horrified when I read that part of the documents, because of all that has been posted regarding what chloroform is known to be used for. (Also, while I was reading about the child pornography on Oprah that someone had posted, it was stated that there is a demand for pictures taken of acts on sleeping individuals.)
From the documents, I thought that Amy was looking for her cash and Casey told Amy that she (Amy) was sleepwalking and doing something with the money. Now, Amy believed her, because Amy had a strange thing happen a few days or a week earlier, where she woke up with a different pair of pants on. And she didn't remember telling Casey about that. But Casey did know. Very, very creepy.
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=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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