Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #30

[Nut44x4]

I am getting discouraged.  I can picture Casey watching NG nightly smiling to herself...saying in her head that she might be able to pull this off.  I want LE to do something quickly!!! Put this girl in jail for good.  Casey has had enough fun messing with everyones heads...its time to end this circus.  (way overdue IMO)

BeachGirl, we're all anxious for that to happen, but we HAVE to trust that LE knows what they are doing. If we rush this, she may win. I'd rather take the time and have a good shot at putting her away for life or even the DP.

Well, that is what everyone has done for so long in Natalee's case...wait and wait and wait...and look where we are now, over 3 years and still no Natalee. The only difference I can see is at least the LE in Caylee's case DO appear to be on the up and up, want answers and to find her.

[O4Bull]

Interesting that Cindy received a text from Lee saying that they weren't supposed to mention the letters from Casey.   We had already heard mention of the letters in the jailhouse phone calls and then Baez adamantly denied that there were EVER any letters.   

Guess what.....apparently there were! 

I wonder if LE can subpoena those letters???

In Florida is there a law that any letters leaving or coming into a jail are read by jailhouse officials?  I know where I am from thats how it is, they monitor that stuff very closely.

they were "snuck out" by JB her atty

[can]

Can, thanks for the input.  I cannot help but feel some pity for Casey and her situation.  If she is a monster, I think Cindy is Mommy Frankenstein.  I also realize that all the "verbal disturbances" at the home---heard by the neighbor and sometimes attended by police---occurred with Caylee in the home.  Caylee could not have been indifferent to or uneffected by the tension and bickering and sometimes outright fighting and namecalling that occurred in that family.  This was not a stable family, as far as I can tell, it was a highly dysfunctional one.  You called it correctly...an unhealthy co-dependency. 

Cindy was supposedly seeing a therapist who told her what she wanted to hear.  You need to do this and this and this to get control of the situation. But did the therapist ever meet with Casey?  As far as we know, she did not.  Casey needed to be seeing a therapist, too. It is not as if Cindy were the only sane voice in a sea of insanity.  Cindy was hardly the model mom, from what I have read and heard.  She was a part of the problem, if not the very root of the problem.

And the pawn in all this is the child, the mistake.  It is not a coincidence, imo, that Cindy and George were on the road to divorce shortly after the baby was born.  The baby was a catalyst for all kinds of things.  I think there is an untold story here that would blow the roof off this forum. No telling what went on behind those closed doors.

We all have our problems and pains.  I am a mother and one of my sons was quite rebellious...well, compared to the other one.  I did not always handle it the way I should have.  But I did not try to hang onto him until he was well into his twenties.  I had my fears and doubts, but I did not tell them to him.  I let him make his own decisions and mistakes, and that was hard to do sometimes.  My husband and I supported him and tried to help him without smothering him.  It is fine line to walk, but I think Cindy expected Casey and/or Caylee to be under her roof forever, and that in itself is unhealthy. 

Since reading the latest docs, I am inclined, for the first time, to think that Casey might have simply given Caylee away to someone.  I can recall being a young first-time mom.  I had a husband, but I also had a great need for positive feedback. I am not sure how I would have coped if someone has been standing at my elbow telling me that I was a terrible mom and a failure.  And I was 27 when my first child was born.  We all want to feel that we can do the job of raising a child and we all have our doubts. It seems to me that Cindy used Caylee as a stick to beat Casey with...and that is just plain wrong.

And if Cindy did not want to "feed, cloth, pay medical bills," etc. for Caylee, she should not have done it.  It never pays for a parent to help a child and then rub it in. In the docs, Lee says that that night, when Cindy first found out Caylee had been missing for a while, she and Casey started to argue about a lot of past things. How in the world would that help?  This mother and daughter seem to have a history of grievances against each other that rise up whenever there is a stress of any kind, insignificant or serious.  I can see how it happens.  YOU called me a name two years ago.  YOU did this and you made me do that. But it is a terrible way to live.  Sooner or later you have to bury the past and stop digging up old hurts.  Maybe that is what Casey, in her altered state of mind, was trying to do.  Bury the past and get own with a life of some kind on her own.  Unfortunately, poor little Caylee got in the middle of all this.

Once again, great evaluation mo.  My goodness you must be a fast typist lol!
As a Mother myself, yes, I think it is natural that we question our parenting.
Are we giving to much or to little?  Are we allowing them to grow and become who they are meant to? Are we encouraging them?  Are we willing to accept who they are if their character differs from our own.  Gregarious, quiet...etc?  How can we best help assist them to be accountable, take responsibility, learn from their mistakes and grow to adulthood with the ability to care for themselves and take care of themselves in the real world. 
Unfortunately I see none of these things in the fractious relationships of the Anthony's.
How confusing and scarey it must have been at times for Caylee.  God rest her soul.

[kristipartyof5]

Casey's life reads like the Perils of Pauline.  Not one but TWO flat tires at the same time.  Running out of gas twice.  And this is important because when there is murder within a family, especially murder of a child by a parent, we have to look at possible stressors.  It is one stress piled on top of the other that usually leads to a parent killing a child.  Casey had some pretty big stressors.

  1.  The competition and jealousy between Casey and her mother, and I think that stream flowed in both directions.  Pardon the amateur psychology here, but just as Casey was supposedly jealous and resentful of Cindy, I think Cindy was just as jealous and resentful toward Casey.  Cindy wanted to be the Superior Mother and the one who pulled all the strings, but I think she resented having to pay for a "mistake, although it was a good mistake."  Living in that kind of tense and volatile situation kept everyone on edge, especially Casey, and she may have thought that her parents wanted to get rid of her and keep Caylee.

 2.  Being called an Unfit Mother would be hard for anyone to take, even if it were true.  To have her own mother call her such a name must have hurt a lot.  Casey has feelings somewhere and to be labeled unfit, not just once but many times, by her mother would be a terrible stressor.  From what I have read, most women who kill their children believe that they are bad mothers and not really capable of raising a child.  It is very tied to low self-esteem and a sense of failure.  Here, Casey's own mother was telling her over and over that she was a bad mom.

 3.  Cindy let Casey know that if she left with Caylee, she would not be able to make it.  Cindy wrote in her post online that she was distraught over Caylee being "missing" and worried about the safety and security of the child.  She said Casey had no money, no future.  In other words, she had no faith at all that Casey could make it on her own with Caylee.  I am sure that every problem and failure that Casey encountered was a validation of that....Mama was right, I am no good, I cannot make it on my own.

 4.  I think Casey's greatest fear was having to go back to her mother's house and be under her mother's thumb and contant judgement.  Casey told the cops that her mother was her biggest stress.  At 22, she was still totally dependent on her mother, and when Mom arrived at Tony's, she hauled Casey out of there as if Casey were a ten year old.  Get your things, we're going home. 

 5.  The things Cindy told Casey's friends are very telling to me.  She was deliberately trying to sever any ties that Casey had with anyone outside the family.  "Don't trust Casey, she is a thief and a sociopath," she told Ryan.  "Casey lies all the time," she told Amy.  "I hope you have a lot of money, because she will empty your bank account."  Cindy wanted to make it impossible for Casey to stay away from the home.  Maybe that is why Casey was reaching out to brand new people like Tony and his friends.  Her mother was horning in on her other friendships.  Amy and Ryan are not kids anymore.  They are adults, and they should make judgements about Casey on their own, not through Cindy. 

 6. Cindy forced Casey to have a child and to keep it.  Casey had wanted to give the child up for adoption, but her mother refused to let that happen.  Having a child is one of the most important decisions a person can make and keeping it is another very significant decision.  Casey was not allowed to make those decisions for herself.  Her mother made them, and her mother really did not have the right to do that.  In a way, Casey showed some self-knowledge and maturity by saying in effect, I am too young to have this child and keep it.  Cindy insisted she keep the child.  Who is making the mistake here?

 7.  I think Cindy alternated between spoiling Casey rotten and berating her as a failure and a bad person.  I think it had been going on for years, maybe all of Casey's life.  One day Casey was the precious little princess and the next she was the bad seed.  That is very damaging to the psyche and it keeps the child a child for life and the mother always in control.  Mom literally dispenses love on a daily basis, and it certainly is not unconditional.  It hinges on how well the little puppet responds to mom's control.  We all know that inconsistency and mixed messages are very confusing to children and even to grownups.  Cindy established a pattern.  She babies Casey, Casey shows some independence or makes a mistake, she berates Casey, Casey cries or tries to pull away, Cindy apologizes and makes excuses for Casey.

 8.  I am not giving Casey a pass at all.  But I think she is an abused child all grown up and unable to face life.  The abuse, imo, was verbal, not physical.  It was also pyschological.  Cindy is a game-player, imo, and she taught Casey to play games, too.  Cindy appears unable to face the truth of this situation now, while Casey, in her conversation with Lee, said, "Maybe it's time for the police to be involved." 

 9.  In short, I hold Cindy responsible for much of what has happened.  I know it is difficult to deal with a child who makes mistakes and does not live up to expectations.  Her intentions toward Caylee may have been good.  But there are other ways that she and George could have helped.  For one thing, they should have insisted that Casey get her GED.  She was supposedly just one credit short but that credit was a big stumbling block toward getting a job.  Did Cindy like having Casey so totally dependent?  If Cindy can march into a house and demand that her adult daughter pack her things and come home, surely Cindy could have said, "You get that GED and then you enroll in some sort of class at a community college or trade school."

10.  For another, they should have let her decide what to do about the pregnancy.  Casey was an adult when the child was born.  It was her decision to keep the baby or put it up for adoption, not Cindy's and not George's.  If the father truly was out of the picture, Casey should have made that decision on her own and her parents should have supported it, whatever she decided.  Casey clearly had doubts about being read for motherhood and all its responsibilities. 

11.  Casey was, imo, young and beautiful but beaten down by her mother.  She literally did not know what to do or where to turn.  And I think there was a lot of fear, too.  A girl does not wait until the seventh month to tell her parents she is pregnant unless she truly fears their reaction.  I think Casey was and is afraid of her mother.  She probably goes to the Baez office every day to get out of the house and away from her mother.

12.  Casey felt unloved.  That is why she went from guy to guy and bed to bed.  She was looking for love and acceptance and many abused children go the promiscuous route for the same reason .  When Tony teased her about staying in New York, she started to cry, even though she had known him a very short time.  Tony, or some other guy, was her ticket out of the house and into a life of freedom.  Casey did not want the life her mom had mapped out for her.  She was rebelling against her mother's ironclad rules about what she should do and who she should be.

13.  Almost everyone says that Casey was a good mother, a loving mother, that she took good care of Caylee and treated her with great kindness and affection, from what they could see.  Cindy even says that now.  Too bad she never gave Casey that positive feedback until this happened.  But Casey also wanted to live a life of a single woman, going to parties, having fun.  I think her mother convinced her that the two could not be combined.  You cannot party and be a good mom.  And if you don't listen to me, I will take Caylee away from you, get complete custody of her and toss you out.  I think that is what went down in that house.  And it is a recipe for disaster.

14.  What was the final stressor that sent Casey over the edge, if she did indeed kill Caylee and dispose of her body?  It may have been the baby crying and asking to go home to her grandmother.  It may have been the way that Tony was starting to be a bit lukewarm about the relationship.  It may have been hearing that her mom was telling her friends how bad a parent and person she was.  It could have been the series of little things like running out of gas, not having enough money, sponging off friends, sleeping on sofas and sharing an apartment with several other people.

15.  Jesse Grund showed tremendous insight when he said that Caylee was Casey's last foothold on reality and once Caylee was gone, Casey slipped into the abyss as far as reality was concerned.  She simply put it out of her mind and out of her reality.  It was time to party and paint her nails and get tattoos and erase all those pictures of Caylee on her webpages.  It was time to pretend it all never happened.  And when mom finally realized that something terrible had happened, instead of sticking to her anger and disappointment and fear, she turned the page and gave Casey permission to stay in that state of unreality.  In fact, Cindy joined her there.  Caylee is still alive.  Caylee will come home soon.  Caylee is all right.  Casey is a good mom.  The car smelled like pizza.  Casey may have taken Caylee's life.  But Cindy took Casey's heart and soul and yes, her life, too.  Maybe the biggest stressor of all was the thought that Mom might end up raising Caylee.  Casey could not let that happen.  In her mind, that would be the ultimate failure. 

These are just my opinions, nothing more, and I could be completely wrong.

IMO this is a terrific appraisal !!!! 

Wow....IMO, this is the most believable explanation I've heard yet....I keep wondering "WHY?", and maybe your right. I don't believe she gave Caylee to anyone, what ever happened to Caylee was either an accident or reaction to the compiling stresses in her life. Either way I pray she finds the courage to come forward with the truth! 

[mrsrocko19]

Just got finished reading the 317 pages released..  odd how a page of Jesse's interview (at least?) is missing..  it goes from 1547, skips a page, 1549 is blank, and then jumps to 1578 with the calendar pages..  Curious what he said that was perhaps evidentiary..  or could be more so than anything else he said about her.

Didn't Casey supposedly pay for these PR tickets herself, with her mom's cc?  That's what was previously stated, I believe.  Since she backed out at the last minute, I'm thinking she had arranged for them all to be out of town for a reason.  Perhaps not just to steal from people.. I don't know.

I also think Casey was homeless during these two weeks nobody saw her.   Maybe staying out in the woods where those clothes were found... 

Her friends did say she "dropped off the face of the earth." So living in her car or staying in the park or woods is plausible. Did she stay w/ Tony during this time at all? The week of the 15th?

I know we've talked about it ... but I want to know where was Caylee after June 5th while Casey was spending all her time at Tony's? I mean GA and CA both worked, right? There was no actual Nanny. So???

Lp stated that Casey was staying at a hotel..That's what made him think about exactly where she was for the cell phone pings...He said that it was close enough that Casey could have been at either place...Yet there was no receipts for a hotel that were made public.. so i wonder how he knows about the hotel..I also got the impression when he said it on ng he tried to back track out of it...Like he wasn't supposed to mention it yet i can't remember the dates he was saying.

[Dolce]

Interesting that Cindy received a text from Lee saying that they weren't supposed to mention the letters from Casey.   We had already heard mention of the letters in the jailhouse phone calls and then Baez adamantly denied that there were EVER any letters.  

Guess what.....apparently there were!  

I wonder if LE can subpoena those letters???

In Florida is there a law that any letters leaving or coming into a jail are read by jailhouse officials?  I know where I am from thats how it is, they monitor that stuff very closely.

Yes they do check the mail very closely.  If you send a page that has just been used like a quarter of a page they send back the blank part of the page to you so that the inmate can not use it, they require all items used for writing letters in the jail be purchased.  (Atleast that is how it is down south here.  I had a half page returned to me in the mail from a letter I had written to a family member who was in jail for DUI)  I thought at the time it was pretty ridic.

[always 1]

Dolce, Im going to Austin City Limits tomorrow - probably be the oldest person there!!!

[always 1]

I can't believe there is a new Always - are you a girl monkey or a boy monkey???

[can]

I am getting discouraged.  I can picture Casey watching NG nightly smiling to herself...saying in her head that she might be able to pull this off.  I want LE to do something quickly!!! Put this girl in jail for good.  Casey has had enough fun messing with everyones heads...its time to end this circus.  (way overdue IMO)

BeachGirl, we're all anxious for that to happen, but we HAVE to trust that LE knows what they are doing. If we rush this, she may win. I'd rather take the time and have a good shot at putting her away for life or even the DP.

Well, that is what everyone has done for so long in Natalee's case...wait and wait and wait...and look where we are now, over 3 years and still no Natalee. The only difference I can see is at least the LE in Caylee's case DO appear to be on the up and up, want answers and to find her.

I have faith in LE team and hope that justice will be served. 
Unfortunately after forty months we are still waiting for Natalee to be returned to Alabama and justice to be served.  Many of us still have hope, after all this time!  No thanks to Aruba's LE.

[MuffyBee]

Dolce, Im going to Austin City Limits tomorrow - probably be the oldest person there!!!

MMM...maybe not.  There are a lot of our more senior music lovers that attend Austin City Limits.  You will be in good company.  Music crosses many ages and barriers.  BTW did you get your clothes from the cleaners?  I haven't seen anyone there nekid that I can recall.  Maybe Hippie Hollow, but not at Austin City Limits..

[Dolce]

Dolce, Im going to Austin City Limits tomorrow - probably be the oldest person there!!!

Aw...no you wont!  There are lots of people in denial that they are old.  I am sure you will not be the oldest there!!  Wear something cute 

[Tamikosmom]

Did this Puerto Rico thing come from cindy's statement or did i miss something new?

I speculate the "source" referred to in the following article may be CHUCK AND ANITA.

IMO

Janet
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Source Says Casey Said Caylee Was Sold To Someone In Puerto Rico
POSTED: 5:24 pm EDT September 24, 2008
UPDATED: 8:01 pm EDT September 24, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Is there a Puerto Rico connection to Caylee Anthony's disappearance or is it just another lie from Casey? Sources who knew the family intimately during the past few months told Eyewitness News that Casey convinced her mother that Caylee was sold to someone in Puerto Rico.

You can find mention of the Puerto Rico connection buried in the documents investigators just released. On July 22, after Caylee was reported missing, Casey's former best friend, Amy Huizenga, got a text message in the middle of the night from an unidentified person about a trip she and two of Casey's friends took to Puerto Rico.

"Won't take a genius or the Feds to start talking to you guys about the trip, because you three left at different times to [go] out of the country while Caylee was unaccounted for. Know what I mean?" Huizenga's friend wrote.

The friend then asked: "You guys keep your ticket stubs?" and "Just out of curiosity why did you, Troy and Ricardo go to Puerto Rico separately?"

Wednesday, sources who spent a lot of time with the family in recent weeks, told Eyewitness News that when Casey got out of jail the first time, she convinced her mother that she sold her daughter to someone in Puerto Rico. The only interview Cindy's done since then is with Univision, where she talked about a tip that Caylee was in Puerto Rico.

But Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter who originally sprung Casey from jail, told Eyewitness News on Wednesday that it's just another crazy lie cooked up by Casey.

"Baby's dead. Baby's deceased," he said.

Padilla said he stationed a female employee in the house for nine days with Casey and claims Casey confided in her regularly, but never said anything about Puerto Rico.

"Her whole methodology the whole nine days that the young lady was in there with her was one of denial, guilt, that she had done away with her own daughter," Padilla said.

Those same exclusive sources close to the family also told Eyewitness News that Casey confides in Cindy a lot, while her father George spends most of the day away from the two women and, if he is home, he keeps to himself.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17550086/detail.html

[anothermonkey]

Lp stated that Casey was staying at a hotel..That's what made him think about exactly where she was for the cell phone pings...He said that it was close enough that Casey could have been at either place...Yet there was no receipts for a hotel that were made public.. so i wonder how he knows about the hotel..I also got the impression when he said it on ng he tried to back track out of it...Like he wasn't supposed to mention it yet i can't remember the dates he was saying.

Maybe she paid for the hotel with the cash she probably stole from Amy.. that $400.   By paying cash, she'd think there would be no paper trail.  (I don't know what information is required for people paying cash). If this is the case, she may have used a fake name.  But if she was staying at a hotel with Caylee - if anybody had seen them (or her) at a hotel during that time period where she was "missing"- somebody would have come forward by now, I would have to assume?  I wonder if hotels in this particular area have been searched outback with cadaver dogs?

[always 1]

Dolce, Im going to Austin City Limits tomorrow - probably be the oldest person there!!!

MMM...maybe not.  There are a lot of our more senior music lovers that attend Austin City Limits.  You will be in good company.  Music crosses many ages and barriers.  BTW did you get your clothes from the cleaners?  I haven't seen anyone there nekid that I can recall.  Maybe Hippie Hollow, but not at Austin City Limits..

Yep, some of the people here last nite had costumes on!!!

[always 1]

Dolce, Im going to Austin City Limits tomorrow - probably be the oldest person there!!!

Aw...no you wont!  There are lots of people in denial that they are old.  I am sure you will not be the oldest there!!  Wear something cute 

Can I borrow something of yours????

[Hudsunn]

Out4Bull, make no mistake, I still think that Casey killed Caylee, and the main reason is that the car smelled like a dead body and everybody else around Casey is alive and counted for...accept Caylee.

Still, we do not know for certain that the forensics evidence re the hair is strong enough to say without a doubt that the dead body was Caylee. 

The circumstantial evidence against Casey is strong.  But apparently they feel that they need more, or she would be in jail now and charged with murder or manslaughter.

I think those charges will eventually come. 

My point was that I could see Casey just walking away from Caylee, perhaps giving her to someone or even abandoning her in a swamp or something.  I think her state of mind was such that she might have done something like that, if she did not kill her.

I had not even entertained those as possibilities before reading these latest docs.  But I think Casey was in dire straits mentally and/or emotionally and fading in and out of reality and becoming increasingly desperate.  If she had not killed Caylee, either deliberately or accidentally, I think she would have found some other way to get rid of her.

The only thing she could not do, imo, was give the child to her mother to raise.  That she could not do and would not do.  If she could not keep Caylee, and she must have come to the conclusion that she could not, she had to see that her mother never got the child. 

I also agree with the poster who said that Casey and Caylee may well have been living out of her car for days. She really was in a desperate situation. She was stealing money from family and friends.  She was running out of gas and bumming off friends for transportation and food and shelter.  She was putting on a happy face but she must have been miserable and scared inside.  And she was telling one lie after another.

I still think she killed Caylee though I do not know how.  I think Caylee's body was in the trunk of the car long enough to leave the stench of death. 

But I think if she had not killed Caylee, she would have given her away or even walked away from her.  She would have done anything to keep her mother from getting Caylee.

[Dolce]

Dolce, Im going to Austin City Limits tomorrow - probably be the oldest person there!!!

Aw...no you wont!  There are lots of people in denial that they are old.  I am sure you will not be the oldest there!!  Wear something cute 

Can I borrow something of yours????

Sure!  What size do you need?  I have outfits ranging in sizes from 0-2 (2's are maternity stuff)  OR I could send you one of the outfits from my line, but you wouldnt get it in time as I would have to make it to your fitting size.

[tomm9298]

Dolce, Im going to Austin City Limits tomorrow - probably be the oldest person there!!!

A1 say hello to Alison Krauss for me....

A1 is spicey, are you a "Spice Girl" A1?

[da_wench]

I don't know if you guys followed the Lori Hacking case.  It was the family of Mark Hacking (I think that was his name) who went to him, his own brothers, and said, "Tell us the truth."  They apparently said it in a loving way, as in You are our brother and we love you but we have to know what happened here.  The guy confessed to killing his wife and they went to the police.  That is what a loving family does.  They do not abandon the family member, but they insist on the truth and they do not tell lies to protect a killer. 

Cindy and George, instead of ranting and raving, should have said to Casey, "Look, we love you and nothing can stop that, but you have to tell us and the authorities what happened."  It is possible Casey would have broken and told the truth.  It seems she was close to it.  Da Wench said this same thing below, and it is so true.  There comes a time when the parents have to let the person know that the fantasy cannot go any further.

But I think that once she saw her parents and Lee get on board with the charade, she decided to stick with her story.  And for Cindy to admit that Caylee is gone, she would have to accept a lot of the blame for what happened.  She does not want to do that, imo. 

We're on the same page here.  Thinking about Casey living in the pressure cooker that Cindy created makes me feel less hatred towards her.  I remember being a young, new mommy, living overseas alone, and wondering if I was doing the right thing by raising my son by myself.  If I had not had the love and support from my family (even if it was thousands of miles away), I don't know how I would have had the confidence to go on.  I loved my son more than anything in the world but often wondered in the first few months of his life if he would have been better off with another family...two parents, more money, more education and experience, etc.  If my mother had been standing over me drilling in my head that I was unfit for three years, I may have decided to give him up for adoption.  You want the best for your children, and I can imagine if you believe that you are ruining their lives, you might consider giving them away.  The Anthonys have terrible tempers.  I just keep hoping that Casey will break down and say, "It's my fault.  I lost my temper.  I loved my daughter but got angry and now she's gone.  Please forgive me."

I got pizzed one time and threw a plastic pitcher hard on the ground.  It bounced up and hit my son in the fourhead (he was about 6).  It left a terrible bruise and I felt like the mother from hell.  I cried and cried about that and begged him to forgive me.  The little guy just hugged me and said through his tears that he loved me and he knew it was an accident.

About Casey partying after Caylee died, there can only be (at least in my mind) two reasons for that.  One, she murdered Caylee and was glad to be rid of her; or two, Caylee's death was an accident and Casey pushed it out of her mind as a survival mechanism. 

I hate the lies that Casey and the rest of her family have been telling, but if they would just come clean (and if Caylee's death truely was an accident), I could forgive them for being scared and just plain stupid.

[BTgirl]

Dolce, Im going to Austin City Limits tomorrow - probably be the oldest person there!!!

Aw...no you wont!  There are lots of people in denial that they are old.  I am sure you will not be the oldest there!!  Wear something cute 

Sshhhh...it's not nice to talk about me that way in public.