Natalee Case Discussion #771 10/4/08 - 10/26/08

[texasmom]

More pics here:
http://www.myspace.com/clubarias

thanks vms!

[vms]

More pics here:
http://www.myspace.com/clubarias

thanks vms!

YW.

See anyone in the pics you think might be Arias? There is a facebook pic of he and Flory (I think) but it is so small, I'm not sure...

[vms]

Well, today is the 8th.  Natalee is still missing and those responsible for her disappearance have yet to be arrested.

The dog blood on the mattress was something that we explored in Shango not long ago.  There are reports that LVR is involved with dog fighting and may have a connection to Michael Vick.  There is also a report that Vick and a teammate were actually there.  From what we learned owners of dogs used in fights shoot them (and worse) if they don't perform.

I think that Urine and the Alpoes were seen at the pond near the Racquet Club.  I think that initially they tried to dispose of Natalee by themselves.  After someone saw them, they turned to Paulass and his friends for help.  This sighting at the Racquet Club has probably worked in their favor, because it put the focus near the beach instead of Monserat.  They didn't build sandcastles.

Hi SS,

Reports that Michael Vick and a teammate were in Aruba? I have never heard that before. My husband has had Falcons tickets for years so I know I would have been interested, had I ever heard anything like that. Where did these reports come from, if you can share? TIA.

[texasmom]

More pics here:
http://www.myspace.com/clubarias

thanks vms!

YW.

See anyone in the pics you think might be Arias? There is a facebook pic of he and Flory (I think) but it is so small, I'm not sure...

Not yet, but I really have no idea what I'm looking for...more work to do.  I was hoping that someone else could point them out for us. 

[Lala'sMom]

Well, it's October 8th - where's all the action??? 


I have suspected LVR as being the 5th for a long time.  I also thought of something else.  If he was the "cool and crazy guy" from earlier in the week, maybe Natalee did spend some time with him.  Natalee was a bright young woman.  If she saw LVR's layout with barbed wire, dogs, and obviously a small fortune for a guy in his twenties, do you suppose that she figured him out and ditched him real fast? She might have also been warned by Haylee and her sister.  This might have been why he was angry when Urine showed up her at the video party.  She had dumped him, he was embarrassed, and he's obviously a crazy psycho.  LVR is someone who is accustomed to getting what he wants and Natalee had kicked him to the curb.  He killed dogs who didn't perform - is this what he did to Natalee?

I think that we were set up to think Natalee had met Lorenzo.
Simian drew attention to Lorenzo to take attention off of Steve Croes.
Checkme joined the Simian bandwagon to create doubt about Joran.
I sincerely doubt that Natalee ever met Lorenzo.

I don't think Simian thought the 5th suspect was Lorenzo.   Checkme was most likely a friend of the Sloots.  He is the one that points to Lorenzo. 

[texasmom]

http://www.bilzin.com/news/pdfs/tdm-schwartz.pdf   

Maybe I'm wrong...but my gut says these may be connected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO7UIADT3os

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dah9YE_-UC0&feature=user

[texasmom]

ok...maybe not...   

http://www.paradisebymarriott.com/news/press_release_details.php?id=3276

08/07/2007
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The Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino today awarded Schwartz and his girlfriend, Nicole Grenwis, a weeklong, all-inclusive return vacation to the resort after learning that Schwartz posted the video to the popular video-sharing Web site YouTube.com (Schwartz’s video can be viewed at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO7UIADT3os).

“We want to thank Aaron and Nicole for showing the world how much they enjoyed their time at our resort,” said Paul Gielen, general manager for the Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino. “The footage of their vacation is a true depiction of a typical stay here.”

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Schwarz, of Fairfax, Va., and Grenwis, of Arlington, Va., enjoyed a five-night stay at the Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino late last month.

“It truly is paradise,” Schwarz said. “We had a great view of the pool and the Caribbean Sea, and we spent the entire week enjoying everything the resort had to offer: the private Renaissance Island, the pool and swim-up bar at the Renaissance Ocean Suites and visiting the restaurants and shops at the Renaissance Mall.

“My girlfriend complained about us looking like tourists while I was taping our trip, but now she’s happy that I did,” Schwarz added. “She loved the final product. We sent it around to our friends and family, and I posted it on YouTube and on my MySpace page and everyone loved it!

“We can’t wait to return,” he added.

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[texasmom]

http://www.bilzin.com/attorneys/atty_profile.php?first=Martin&last=Schwartz

[finngirl]

I think that we were set up to think Natalee had met Lorenzo.
Simian drew attention to Lorenzo to take attention off of Steve Croes.
Checkme joined the Simian bandwagon to create doubt about Joran.
I sincerely doubt that Natalee ever met Lorenzo.

I don't think Simian thought the 5th suspect was Lorenzo.   Checkme was most likely a friend of the Sloots.  He is the one that points to Lorenzo. 

and he's not the only one ...
not by a long shot

[finngirl]

<snipped>
I have suspected LVR as being the 5th for a long time.  I also thought of something else.  If he was the "cool and crazy guy" from earlier in the week, maybe Natalee did spend some time with him.
<snipped>

This reminds me of the rumors about Natalee drinking free "all week long".  Natalee wasn't on Aruba that long.  From the time of her arrival in Aruba until she was last seen was how long?  I couldn't tell you off the top of my head, but it wasn't  very long.  And if I remember correctly, some monkeys worked out time lines and a lot of her time was accounted for, with other students and etc.  JMHO   

I never took "earlier in the week"
as implying that they were there for a week

"earlier in the trip" or "earlier in the vacation"
would be more accurate and ruffle less feathers ...
but "earlier in the week" means the same thing

just sayin' ... 

[johan555]

Johan and Bastibro aren't the only monkeys thinking of posting the same things at the same time.

 

Right Texas mum , Bastibro is also on Fok and keeps this case allive on the dutch
forums .And that is not always easy because there are many dirty  troll's  and they treat us shabbily .

[MumInOhio]

Talking about addresses...Does anyone have a home address for Charles Croes? TIA

SHIRIBANA 3-I, PARADERA, ARUBA

abracadabra 

you're good 

Thanks Pita...I found a Charles A. in the phone book and thought maybe he had moved!

Residence is the same as his business address...he couldn't live in the booth at the airport...LOL

Anyone know when he opened his Internet Cafe? TIA

NEW SERVICES

The Fast Phone Internet Café
• For Internet users, we have the Fast Phone Internet Café which is conveniently located at the Paseo Herencia mall, directly above MAGGY’S and Capriccio retail outlets.  We are directly across the street from the Holliday Inn and Playa Linda and our rates are as attractive as is our café environment.  Go on line using our computers or bring in your lap-top and go on line using yours.  We will supply you with a convenient office working desk that will allow you to conduct your business as if you were home.

http://arubafastphones.com/services.html

[dennisintn]

Hello monkeys, reading all your posts and seeing Natalee again, I remember seeing on Fox news a close up of her leaving a club, maybe c&cs, and yelling ,"Aruba, YooHoo!".  That picture if forever in my mind.  I believe that is the last time her friends saw her.  She did not look drunk or drugged.  She looked like she was having a good time, laughing and smiling.  Does anyone else remember this???

i think you must be thinking of the program from holland that "reenacted" her leaving c&c's.  to my knowledge there are no pictures or videos of natalee actually leaving the club. 
dennisintn

[Pita]

Tracey any connection to Clive?  Anyone know?

Texasmom, I was thinking the same!

[MumInOhio]

The Aruba Chamber of Commerce no longer allows you to view their Board of Directors without being logged in. Not sure why any honest hardworking group would need to do this...but then I have seen entries that I don't believe they are being honest about...JMO...of course...

[RoxiBalboa]

the 8th came and went, and nothing. I tried to not get my hopes up, although I couldn't help but hope hope hope.
CLW hasn't been on since Sept 30, nothing out of Jossy. Quiet before the storm? Or maybe they meant the 8th of Never. Frustrating!!!!!

[johan555]

Why is there so  little attention to the  Bonaire case  and 100 people on the Caylee Tread ? The Marlies vd Kouwe case is almost similaire with the NH case .

[SS]

Well, it's October 8th - where's all the action??? 


I have suspected LVR as being the 5th for a long time.  I also thought of something else.  If he was the "cool and crazy guy" from earlier in the week, maybe Natalee did spend some time with him.  Natalee was a bright young woman.  If she saw LVR's layout with barbed wire, dogs, and obviously a small fortune for a guy in his twenties, do you suppose that she figured him out and ditched him real fast? She might have also been warned by Haylee and her sister.  This might have been why he was angry when Urine showed up her at the video party.  She had dumped him, he was embarrassed, and he's obviously a crazy psycho.  LVR is someone who is accustomed to getting what he wants and Natalee had kicked him to the curb.  He killed dogs who didn't perform - is this what he did to Natalee?

I think that we were set up to think Natalee had met Lorenzo.
Simian drew attention to Lorenzo to take attention off of Steve Croes.
Checkme joined the Simian bandwagon to create doubt about Joran.
I sincerely doubt that Natalee ever met Lorenzo.

Good Morning Magnolia - as much as I think LVR is the 5th, you could be absolutely correct about Natalee not having been with him earlier in the week.  It doesn't make sense.  I have hunted everywhere for evidence that Natalee had spent time wth LVR and I have never found anything.  The story about "the cool and crazy guy from earlier in the week" could be Simian's attempt to throw us off.  Natalee could have met LVR somewhere during the first few days that she was there, but I don't see her involved with him - she was too smart.

[MumInOhio]

Why is there so  little attention to the  Bonaire case  and 100 people on the Caylee Tread ? The Marlies vd Kouwe case is almost similaire with the NH case .

Johan...Most that post in Caylee's thread joined because of Caylee's case. Most have not posted in Natalee's thread. Many don't even go to another thread. LOL...some may not even know we have other threads...

If it makes you feel any better...I read all the posts in Marlies thread, mostly agree with what is said, so don't post very often. Keep up the good work!

[SS]

Well, today is the 8th.  Natalee is still missing and those responsible for her disappearance have yet to be arrested.

The dog blood on the mattress was something that we explored in Shango not long ago.  There are reports that LVR is involved with dog fighting and may have a connection to Michael Vick.  There is also a report that Vick and a teammate were actually there.  From what we learned owners of dogs used in fights shoot them (and worse) if they don't perform.

I think that Urine and the Alpoes were seen at the pond near the Racquet Club.  I think that initially they tried to dispose of Natalee by themselves.  After someone saw them, they turned to Paulass and his friends for help.  This sighting at the Racquet Club has probably worked in their favor, because it put the focus near the beach instead of Monserat.  They didn't build sandcastles.

Hi SS,

Reports that Michael Vick and a teammate were in Aruba? I have never heard that before. My husband has had Falcons tickets for years so I know I would have been interested, had I ever heard anything like that. Where did these reports come from, if you can share? TIA.

Hi VMS - from 8/30 to 9/1 there was a discussion in Shango about LVR killing his dogs and possibly being involved with dog fighting.  There was much discussion about Michael Vick and DeAngelo Hall because of their connections to Viginia Tech, the Detroit Lions, and the Atlanta Falcons.

AllyinMiami Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:38 pm
The cowboys have their feet deep in the dirty water. They are confident in their equipment. Babylonians are there to pick up when necessary. From Montana to Moko there is not much to walk The monkey is connected to a microwave. The monsters have come to eat from the anguished. The birdie has come down from the cable. We have to wait a while until it becomes known to all why he leaves all his dogs dead there

5/16/06 the grey whisper said...
He thrusts his fists into the posts (GOAL POSTS?) but still insists he sees the ghosts. Was Michael Vic in Aruba? Or one of his other team mates? Heavy gamblers need ca$ino's when they vacation, or dog fights to bet on.Crickets always chirp eventually, don't they? (Cricket is played in Europe - there's even a team called the "Lions Team". Maybe this is not about a Cricket player, but someone who wanted us to find the name Lions".

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
His ticket was changed. Needed to stay two more days on the island. Why don’t the others say that they saw him? He was with them!
The Babylonians know that the federales are on him. He needs to answer some questions. Can’t figure out which position he plays. America’s passtime.