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« Reply #380 on: October 10, 2008, 05:59:32 AM »

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Posted by Pearl at BFN:

Comment from a IFA person on island after a story of a armed takeover of a taxi in Aruba.  The photos where the driver was told to get out and leave shows the taxi still there, and the scenery looks very familiar.  MO

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  As an Arubian by marriage and on the island about 25 years, I find myself in disbelief when reading about something like this happening on the perfect island that I left my country for. I am a realist and know that this kind of stuff happens everywhere in the world, however I always think that it can never happen here. I am sorry that we all must be careful about whom we let in our homes for a routine repair job and now we can't even open up the taxi door without crap like this happening. God, help us.....what is happening here? Wake up politicians and start cracking down on the JERKS that are ruining this wonderful country. I can't wait for the election.....we need help....we need change.....

THE ARTICLE AND PHOTOS:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/6284/8/


Thanks Buckeye. I posted this on the M&C thread.

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« Reply #381 on: October 10, 2008, 07:01:18 AM »

New filings in the Kalpoe/Dr. Phil saga:

10/07/2008 Stipulation (of the Parties to Continue the Ruling on Defendants' Second Motion to Dismiss )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/07/2008 Miscellaneous-Other ( Third Joint Separate Statement )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/07/2008 Order (Re: Stipulation of the Parties to Continue the Ruling on Defendants' Second Motion to Dismiss )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

10/06/2008 Response (TO PLTFFS' OBJECTION TO DECLARATION )
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent


http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/civilCaseSummary/index.asp?CaseType=Civil


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« Reply #382 on: October 10, 2008, 09:35:39 AM »

Thanks Buckeye...

Does anyone remember when it was that Greta had here change of heart?  She said she met some-one, at an airport somewhere, maybe NY or Philly and had changed her mind about some things?

Thanks in Advance...
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« Reply #383 on: October 10, 2008, 09:44:35 AM »

Million dollars extra in promotion
October 9, 2008, 14:46 (GMT -04:00)

Ahata recently its members for an emergency meeting convened to determine a strategy for the declining tourism.


ORANGE CITY - Ahata invests 1 million dollars in additional promotion of Aruba in the United States. It also attracts the hotel and tourism organization 150,000 dollars for tourism promotion in Europe.


This was recently decided at an extra meeting, the organization after six weeks ago was faced with declining bookings for the first quarter of 2009. The 113 members gave the green light for the administration additional financial injection. "The credit crisis of recent weeks has not directly with the decision to make," explains director Rob Smith Ahata-off. The signals of a declining market, especially the United States, according to Smith, there were so al With the extra promotional money, which in the U.S. especially in regional TV spots will be stabbed, the tourism industry reacts differently than the other tourist destinations in the region. "We are dependent on the U.S. economy, so certain events, we can not prevent. But we are not going to drastically reduce our prices, like other destinations have done to the market developments. We maintain, as in previous crises, the integrity of our product. "
The extra advertising in the two weeks of January on the American tube and the spots will be about six to eight weeks to see. The strategy for Europe has not yet been determined, says Smith. "Marketing only has little meaning because the air supply from Europe is still too limited. There must also be done about this. "

The branch is tomorrow at the table with its public equivalent Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA). "The cooperation is good. We will now discuss the possibility of their side also extra money in promotion to stabbing, "said Smith who is still strongly in favor of a public-private fund for tourism promotion. Only in this way can Aruba on a structural, sustainable and continuous way abroad are promoted as a tourist destination, is the view of Ahata. That view is also shared within the government, but a decision still many years off.

Finally, Smith says that the outlook for tourism remains generally positive. Because of the tourists who are loyal timeshare hold the position of this island for tourists from both North and South America is favorable and the flight range. "We have a very good first quarter and the year can thus conclude with stable rates. But we continue to monitor, because there is no doubt that the market inkrimpt and also continues to shrink next year. "Ahata has therefore decided to further monitor developments in time for action. Instead of once a month now every Friday put up an intermediate position.
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« Reply #384 on: October 10, 2008, 11:25:11 AM »

Thanks Buckeye...

Does anyone remember when it was that Greta had here change of heart?  She said she met some-one, at an airport somewhere, maybe NY or Philly and had changed her mind about some things?

Thanks in Advance...


Shortly after her personal interview w/ Joran. Exact date I don't have yet, but this may help>>
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/06/greta-van-susteren-i-am-inclined-to-believe-him/
THEN here is where she says she may be wrong>>
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/06/natalee-holloway-greta-van-susteren-finally-admits-she-was-wrong-about-joran-van-der-sloot/
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« Reply #385 on: October 10, 2008, 11:31:34 AM »

Thanks Buckeye...

Does anyone remember when it was that Greta had here change of heart?  She said she met some-one, at an airport somewhere, maybe NY or Philly and had changed her mind about some things?

Thanks in Advance...


Shortly after her personal interview w/ Joran. Exact date I don't have yet, but this may help>>
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/06/greta-van-susteren-i-am-inclined-to-believe-him/
THEN here is where she says she may be wrong>>
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/06/natalee-holloway-greta-van-susteren-finally-admits-she-was-wrong-about-joran-van-der-sloot/


Thanks Nut...All I can remember is her running into some-one at the airport, made it sound like she found out something she didn't know before.
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« Reply #386 on: October 10, 2008, 11:37:01 AM »

Thanks Buckeye...

Does anyone remember when it was that Greta had here change of heart?  She said she met some-one, at an airport somewhere, maybe NY or Philly and had changed her mind about some things?

Thanks in Advance...


Shortly after her personal interview w/ Joran. Exact date I don't have yet, but this may help>>
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/06/greta-van-susteren-i-am-inclined-to-believe-him/
THEN here is where she says she may be wrong>>
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/06/natalee-holloway-greta-van-susteren-finally-admits-she-was-wrong-about-joran-van-der-sloot/


Thanks Nut...All I can remember is her running into some-one at the airport, made it sound like she found out something she didn't know before.

I'm pretty sure that was in the Boston airport and someone approached her. She never revealed who or what.
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« Reply #387 on: October 10, 2008, 11:46:00 AM »

Mum,

Friday, January 20, 2006

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184328,00.html


Speaking of planes, I missed my first plane out of Boston on Monday. Missing that plane turned out was annoying at first, but it turned out to be a stroke of luck because on the flight I did board, I ran into someone who had some important information for me on the Natalee Holloway case. The person approached me and we talked for a few minutes. We could not talk long because the doors to the plane were closing. We talked later that night by phone and again yesterday by phone for about 45 minutes. The person is reluctant to come forward, so I am working on persuading him/her. I guess the headline is: Stay Tuned. Incidentally, I don't want to overstate this since I am not giving you lots of information. The person has some very important information to the news story, but this information will not solve it.
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« Reply #388 on: October 10, 2008, 11:51:32 AM »

Hans Mos
Hans Mos: Yes, that was… I have also seen the program where Joran and his parents were present, where was spoken about the way in which he was educated and how he was supposed to handle girls. We know from the files already that this was different. It astonished me that it was told this way. Everyone could have known that this was different and what his intentions generally were in the weekends when he went out with this type of girls, particularly American tourists. The way he expresses himself, again testifies very little respect and I find that in fact, however, shocking.

So there were earlier police rapports from before may 2005 ?
Must be, otherwise Hans Mos could not talk about files.

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« Reply #389 on: October 10, 2008, 11:54:50 AM »

Mum,

Friday, January 20, 2006

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184328,00.html


Speaking of planes, I missed my first plane out of Boston on Monday. Missing that plane turned out was annoying at first, but it turned out to be a stroke of luck because on the flight I did board, I ran into someone who had some important information for me on the Natalee Holloway case. The person approached me and we talked for a few minutes. We could not talk long because the doors to the plane were closing. We talked later that night by phone and again yesterday by phone for about 45 minutes. The person is reluctant to come forward, so I am working on persuading him/her. I guess the headline is: Stay Tuned. Incidentally, I don't want to overstate this since I am not giving you lots of information. The person has some very important information to the news story, but this information will not solve it.


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iirc -- we did find out who the person greta ran into was -- it turned out to be someone related to getting Joran the ABC interview.
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« Reply #390 on: October 10, 2008, 11:55:32 AM »

AAAAAAahhhhhh YEAH! VMS! That's it!!
 
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« Reply #391 on: October 10, 2008, 11:57:39 AM »

Mum,

Friday, January 20, 2006

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184328,00.html


Speaking of planes, I missed my first plane out of Boston on Monday. Missing that plane turned out was annoying at first, but it turned out to be a stroke of luck because on the flight I did board, I ran into someone who had some important information for me on the Natalee Holloway case. The person approached me and we talked for a few minutes. We could not talk long because the doors to the plane were closing. We talked later that night by phone and again yesterday by phone for about 45 minutes. The person is reluctant to come forward, so I am working on persuading him/her. I guess the headline is: Stay Tuned. Incidentally, I don't want to overstate this since I am not giving you lots of information. The person has some very important information to the news story, but this information will not solve it.



Thank You both, Rob and vms...Now do either of you know where Vanity fair could be doing their articles from?...TIA
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« Reply #392 on: October 10, 2008, 11:59:43 AM »

Mum,

Friday, January 20, 2006

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184328,00.html


Speaking of planes, I missed my first plane out of Boston on Monday. Missing that plane turned out was annoying at first, but it turned out to be a stroke of luck because on the flight I did board, I ran into someone who had some important information for me on the Natalee Holloway case. The person approached me and we talked for a few minutes. We could not talk long because the doors to the plane were closing. We talked later that night by phone and again yesterday by phone for about 45 minutes. The person is reluctant to come forward, so I am working on persuading him/her. I guess the headline is: Stay Tuned. Incidentally, I don't want to overstate this since I am not giving you lots of information. The person has some very important information to the news story, but this information will not solve it.


You guys never cease to amaze me Smile I could use you in my regular life 

iirc -- we did find out who the person greta ran into was -- it turned out to be someone related to getting Joran the ABC interview.


Ditto Sharon...thanks again Rob and vms...
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« Reply #393 on: October 10, 2008, 12:32:48 PM »

You know who dumped Natalee into the sea huh?

To this question van der Eem said:
 

"That is speculation.
But I do know.
In the very beginning Joran mentioned a name.
He didn`t say that the boy has done anything, but that he was hangin around a lot with him.
When I gave this name to the cops in Aruba, they went crazy, cause it confirmed their own suspicions. There were two names.
One has left Aruba the day after the disappearance of Natalee.
He is a f***t from a rich family.
The police asked me wether Joran has bisexual tendencies."

The f** is Wever, Who`s the other one?
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« Reply #394 on: October 10, 2008, 01:15:46 PM »

Thanks Buckeye...

Does anyone remember when it was that Greta had here change of heart?  She said she met some-one, at an airport somewhere, maybe NY or Philly and had changed her mind about some things?

Thanks in Advance...


Shortly after her personal interview w/ Joran. Exact date I don't have yet, but this may help>>
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/06/greta-van-susteren-i-am-inclined-to-believe-him/
THEN here is where she says she may be wrong>>
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/06/natalee-holloway-greta-van-susteren-finally-admits-she-was-wrong-about-joran-van-der-sloot/


Thanks Nut...All I can remember is her running into some-one at the airport, made it sound like she found out something she didn't know before.

I think that was at the airport in Boston, IIRC.
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« Reply #395 on: October 10, 2008, 01:19:15 PM »

Thanks Buckeye...

Does anyone remember when it was that Greta had here change of heart?  She said she met some-one, at an airport somewhere, maybe NY or Philly and had changed her mind about some things?

Thanks in Advance...


Shortly after her personal interview w/ Joran. Exact date I don't have yet, but this may help>>
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/06/greta-van-susteren-i-am-inclined-to-believe-him/
THEN here is where she says she may be wrong>>
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/06/natalee-holloway-greta-van-susteren-finally-admits-she-was-wrong-about-joran-van-der-sloot/


Thanks Nut...All I can remember is her running into some-one at the airport, made it sound like she found out something she didn't know before.

I think that was at the airport in Boston, IIRC.

Oops, sorry.....I see that question was already confirmed by Rob and vms.   
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« Reply #396 on: October 10, 2008, 01:19:38 PM »

Thanks Buckeye...

Does anyone remember when it was that Greta had here change of heart?  She said she met some-one, at an airport somewhere, maybe NY or Philly and had changed her mind about some things?

Thanks in Advance...


Shortly after her personal interview w/ Joran. Exact date I don't have yet, but this may help>>
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/03/06/greta-van-susteren-i-am-inclined-to-believe-him/
THEN here is where she says she may be wrong>>
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/02/06/natalee-holloway-greta-van-susteren-finally-admits-she-was-wrong-about-joran-van-der-sloot/


Thanks Nut...All I can remember is her running into some-one at the airport, made it sound like she found out something she didn't know before.

I'm pretty sure that was in the Boston airport and someone approached her. She never revealed who or what.

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« Reply #397 on: October 10, 2008, 01:38:13 PM »

Hope it's ok to post this here and it may have already been posted, if you need to just delete and Hi everyone!!!

liesbeth Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 12:52 pm   
About Natalee and her mother: by Renee Gielen

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Americans even called for a tourism embargo Aruba, while the brill was simply a junkie. Did she really disappear? Or did she take an overdose and was her body secretly taken by the yanks to the States?
Although the lie is fast, the truth is faster and what if appears Natalee was/is just a junky and her mother disturbed the investigation and probably made money out of it?
Natalee Holloway not a goody-goody

AMSTERDAM – The on Aruba disappeared Natalee Holloway was not the goody-goody as her mother keeps describing her. She had an alcohol problem, was very close with different men and was just released from a drugs rehabilitation centre.This cynical portrait gives Renee Gielen who is making a documentary about the mother of Natalee. Beth Holloway-Twitty created a portrait of the dream daughter, a virgin who never made a false step in her live, does not drink, does not smoke and has never experienced with drugs.

The Christian girl that propagated her biblical ideas in voluntary work and was an example for all other younger people, as is written by the paper Amigo.
According to Gielen Natalee ended in a drugs rehabilitation centre short before she came to Aruba.
The American allowed the mail bar visitors licking belly jellies of her body, she was blowing on the beach, her friends warned her not to drink so much, enumerates the documentary maker in the newspaper.

Natalees addiction is discussed in an interview with an Aruban taxi driver, which the producer has on tape. Natalee’s family asked in the taxi for the addresses of drug addicts, apparently in order to obtain drugs for her.
Gielen says that she was from day one suspicious about the disappearance. "When I looked her in her eyes, I knew that there was something wrong. I knew that this was not a distressed mother.
Now I know what I saw: a mother with major problems. "

Gielen describes the book released by the mother of Natalee about the disappearance, as a first degree loud and noisy image building story”. After reading the book the feeling “this is not right ' dominates in every aspect." Her suspicion was even strengthened. "With the lies in the book and the many, dubious claims and events in the last 2.5 years, the question arose: ” did Beth really want Natalee to be found?

Gielen believes that mother BethTwitty only wanted one thing: to cover Natalees shameful behavior and way of disappearance. And she needed a scapegoat for that. That became Joran van der Sloot, the boy last seen with her, according to Amigo.

DOCUMENTARY MAKER TO VS FOR "THE REAL" HOLLOWAY STORY

Willemstad/Oranjestad: ”When I looked into her eyes, I knew there was something wrong and from that moment I started to investigate this case: up till today”.
This tells documentary maker Renee Gielen about Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway. Gielen started to investigate world’s most discussed disappearance and was especially affected by the weird behavior of Natalee’s mother who she interviewed in June 2005 in the Holliday Inn Hotel on Aruba for the Dutch television program Twee Vandaag (today Een Vandaag). ”I did not know what I saw in her eyes, I did know that it was not a sad mother I talked too. Now I know what I saw then: a mother in big trouble”.

Earlier this year, the program maker who works and lives on Curaçao, showed video material with statements of people involved which show a new light on the matter. Amigo wrote about it and the Dutch topic program Netwerk showed it on Dutch television. Now she works, also because of the recently released book of Beth Twitty “Loving Natalee”, the true story of the Aruban kidnap, on a documentary with new material on tape. She does this in cooperation with …………………

Gielen is now preparing for a visit to the United States for further research. She describes the book released by the mother as ”a first degree loud and noisy image building story ”. After reading the book the feeling " this is not right ' dominates in every aspect." Her suspicion was even strengthened. "With the lies in the book and the many, dubious claims and events in the last 2.5 years, the question arose: ” did Beth really want Natalee to be found?

IDEAL DAUGHTER

Gielen points out that Natalee never was mentioned in the official missing list of the FBI. She also indicates that the tape of the Holiday Inn on which was to see a blond woman not was send to the forensic Institute in Rijswijk, because Twitty had said that it was not Natalee. In addition, she says she has information that Natalee was not the girl Beth would like to say she was: the dream daughter, a virgin who never made a false step in her live, does not drink, does not smoke and has never experienced with drugs. The Christian girl that propagated her biblical ideas in voluntary work and was an example for all other younger people.

According to Gielen the opposite is true. Natalee supposed to have ended in a drugs rehabilitation centre short before she came to Aruba. The girl supposed to have liked it that much on Aruba, that she did not want to leave anymore.Natalee allowed the mail bar visitors licking belly jellies of her body, was blowing on the beach, her friends warned her even not to drink so much, enumerates the documentary maker. Natalees addiction is discussed in an interview with an Aruban taxi driver Trina, (for protection no last name) who also in the book (as only taxi driver) with (first) name is mentioned. She tells that when Beth’s now second ex-husband, Jug Twitty, and his friend Mitch are sitting in her taxi, they ask the taxi driver to drive to the choller houses on the island. Gielen: “to her question why, the answer is: “because she was in the USA in rehab recently”.

Gielen dares to state that Beth Twitty in the days, months and years after the disappearance of her daughter only wanted one thing: to cover Natalees shameful behavior and way of disappearance. And she needed a scapegoat for that. That became Joran van der Sloot, the boy last seen with her, in the company of the two Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe; they must have done it, according to Gielen. According to Gielen Joran made a mistake by lying in first instance about leaving Natalee. ”He described that also in his book, the book in which he does not spare himself.”

WRONGFUL

The idea, that Twitty played a remarkable role is strongened by the statements done. Gielen names a few examples. “She managed to say in the Fox news, Geraldo, that the Dutch government used the tragic incidents around the Katrina to release the suspects in September 2005. ”Rape is not a crime for the Dutch government', Twitty adds in the interview. ”In the same interview the mother stated that there are five statements in which Joran admits he had sex with Natalee in his house and that Natalee was in and out of consciousness, while these statements do not exist”. Gielen tells.

"If you write in your book about making a remark during a meeting on Aruba with the Aruban Hotel and Tourism Association (Ahata) that it is all about a cover up on the Aruban side and the whispering reaction from the ex chairman of the Ahata was supposed to be “yes, you are right”, than you need guts. While you can count on it that this is going to be checked, which I did.”

About the Strategic Communications Task Force, established by Aruba she writes that this was done 'to combat the negative media and to combat us'. Gielen: "A member of the taskforce disputes this and states that the taskforce always tried to nuance. In the beginning the strategic taskforce even was a liaison for her. Hotels were arranged, her press conferences were made possible. Money was collected”. The member can only guess that Beth experienced the website, which nuanced her unfounded statements and accusations which were damaging the island, experienced as an attack on her.


Gielen tells that Twitty repeatedly told that her daughter did not bring her bank card “because this was left in her bedroom in Alabama". “This while Jug Twitty - stepfather of Natalee, Beth and he are divorced in the meantime – and a friend in a taxi discussed that Natalee after her disappearance twice took money from her bank account after with they blocked the account.

In the book Beth writes to have felt threatened by Charles Croes, who, as the owner of a 'rental cell phone Company” was quickly involved and helped on all fronts. According to Beth he presented himself as a 'clairvoyant "and he supposed to have informed to her sex life when she was alone with him in a car. A friend was supposed to have rescued her just in time. Gielen: ' it is not the only insult she makes in his direction. In an interview I recently had with him, Croes tells his story. And that is quite different. Furthermore, Croes confirms the ties Twitty between Twitty and the White House. Jug Twitty told him: ' I have very long fingers, reaching to the White House”. “Previously, it appeared that Beth Twitty contacted Condoleeza Rice by Jug Twitty, who managed by the Dutch Minister of justice that Aruba made a high profile case.
 

  this gielen is a f*****g bitch of a liar- how dare she call herself a documentress or a journalist  with the poece of shit she writes  jmho

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I'm pretty sure that was in the Boston airport and someone approached her. She never revealed who or what.

Joe Tacopino....my 2 cents only.

No, I don't think so.

If I remember correctly (and I 'usually' do) Greta told us that it was someone who told her in advance about the interview that was arranged for the ditchchits on ABC in NY with Mario Cuomo. Remember?? When the ditchchits got handed the civil suit subpoena because it was 'leaked' that they were coming into the US?

Now, I'll admit that I don't recall 'where' she told us. It may have been on her show or it may have been on her blog.

But she was asked. And she responded. I remember being disappointed -- sort of let down --  'is that all there is?'

(vms, pita, help me out here  )
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« Reply #399 on: October 10, 2008, 01:54:45 PM »

Mum,

Friday, January 20, 2006

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184328,00.html


Speaking of planes, I missed my first plane out of Boston on Monday. Missing that plane turned out was annoying at first, but it turned out to be a stroke of luck because on the flight I did board, I ran into someone who had some important information for me on the Natalee Holloway case. The person approached me and we talked for a few minutes. We could not talk long because the doors to the plane were closing. We talked later that night by phone and again yesterday by phone for about 45 minutes. The person is reluctant to come forward, so I am working on persuading him/her. I guess the headline is: Stay Tuned. Incidentally, I don't want to overstate this since I am not giving you lots of information. The person has some very important information to the news story, but this information will not solve it.


You guys never cease to amaze me Smile I could use you in my regular life 

iirc -- we did find out who the person greta ran into was -- it turned out to be someone related to getting Joran the ABC interview.


Ditto Sharon...thanks again Rob and vms...


Brian Burroughs was in California at the time of the Vanity Fair article.  How do I know? I listened to it on a local radio talk show at the time.  The host was speaking to him from California.  Several of our monkeys emailed comments to this host. The radio show no longer exists now.  He took a beating for being so accommodating to the reporter and his comments.  I remember it well. LOL
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