Natalee Case Discussion #771 10/4/08 - 10/26/08

[RoxiBalboa]

OT
SS, I love your halloween icon. Reminds me of my rotten baby, Chaos.
THat's her over there
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[SS]

OT
SS, I love your halloween icon. Reminds me of my rotten baby, Chaos.
THat's her over there
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Thank you.  CBB dressed me up for Halloween.  She'd so creative.  She put me in the cauldron and my a$$ is getting pretty hot.   

[Magnolia]

Deepak already had one computer seized by the ALE.
He knew to be very guarded in what he said.
He has stated that he says things to confuse the investigation.

I read last week that Dr. Phil's attorneys were to go to
Miami to get a statement and computer records from John Charles Croes.
Deepak told JCC that Nat put her hands down his pants, etc.

[sharon]

klaas

thanks for finding and posting those 'chat' records. incredibly interesting.

i'm trying to figure exactly 'who' Deepak thinks he's chatting with? has he known this person for awhile? does he know he is being bugged (he is -- isn't he?)

i'm trying to put it in context so i can figure out his angle.

i'm confused

The girl Deepak is chatting with is someone he has known for a long time.  It is the same girl that went to the FBI.  I'm assuming they tapped her phone and her computer after she went to them.  I don't know if Deepak was aware during those chats that she was assisting the FBI.

Is this the same person and the same emails that Dr. Hodge's based his book on?  That book is a mental challenge, to say the least.

Betty (the emal friend that WonderWoman was 'involved' with) was an older woman.

There was a younger woman who went to the FBI when Deepak asked her to provide an alibi for him.

I believe this is the younger woman who went to the FBI when Deepak asker her for the alibi.

jmo

[sharon]

Lala's & Mum

Yes! SO MUCH to be disturbed about.

But definite confirmation of some 'real' FBI involvement

And, thank you Deepak, for your greed & arrogance in bringing the suit against Dr Phil.

I LOVE DISCOVERY 

[texasmom]

Deepak already had one computer seized by the ALE.
He knew to be very guarded in what he said.
He has stated that he says things to confuse the investigation.

I read last week that Dr. Phil's attorneys were to go to
Miami to get a statement and computer records from John Charles Croes.
Deepak told JCC that Nat put her hands down his pants, etc.

Good morning Monkeys!

Good points Magnolia, I've been thinking along the same lines.  Glad to hear that Dr. Phil's attorneys plan to follow up with JCC...wonder why they waited so long!

[texasmom]

Lala's & Mum

Yes! SO MUCH to be disturbed about.

But definite confirmation of some 'real' FBI involvement

And, thank you Deepak, for your greed & arrogance in bringing the suit against Dr Phil.

I LOVE DISCOVERY 

Me too!   

[MumInOhio]

Lala's & Mum

Yes! SO MUCH to be disturbed about.

But definite confirmation of some 'real' FBI involvement

And, thank you Deepak, for your greed & arrogance in bringing the suit against Dr Phil.

I LOVE DISCOVERY 

Me too!   

Me Three!   

Thanks Magnolia…I hadn’t connected the disposition to Deepak’s chat friend.

Joran and Deepak were told to go to the casinos on the Monday night, so they would be caught on tape. They were told to communicate with each other as there would likely  be surveillence. Heck even “Freddy” told them this! They knew this when all the recordings where made…

SS…Thanks on the flip flops…missed it!

Lala’s…From reading the FP all J2K's social sites were altered before they were arrested! New pics, new friends around the 4th and changes I thought through the 7th. Posters even commented why Joran would be changing his sites when a girl he was seen with last was missing.

They left the sites and content they wanted to be seen…

[klaasend]

klaas

thanks for finding and posting those 'chat' records. incredibly interesting.

i'm trying to figure exactly 'who' Deepak thinks he's chatting with? has he known this person for awhile? does he know he is being bugged (he is -- isn't he?)

i'm trying to put it in context so i can figure out his angle.

i'm confused

The girl Deepak is chatting with is someone he has known for a long time.  It is the same girl that went to the FBI.  I'm assuming they tapped her phone and her computer after she went to them.  I don't know if Deepak was aware during those chats that she was assisting the FBI.

Is this the same person and the same emails that Dr. Hodge's based his book on?  That book is a mental challenge, to say the least.

Betty (the emal friend that WonderWoman was 'involved' with) was an older woman.

There was a younger woman who went to the FBI when Deepak asked her to provide an alibi for him.

I believe this is the younger woman who went to the FBI when Deepak asker her for the alibi.

jmo

Sharon - you are correct, two different people.  The chat transcript in the Dr. Phil discovery docs is with Wendy Terry.  The Deepak email person was Betty.  Betty sent the emails to her friend WonderWoman who in turn posted them here at SM.

[texasmom]

For Johan555, in case you don't already have these.  

http://i15.tinypic.com/33f97ih.png

http://i10.tinypic.com/2ngevc9.png

HT Grande 2006

[johan555]

thanks mom
i  will post my conversation with "glenda" about her "famous letter" here this week 

[San]

Just reading Deepak's Chat Session Review.  He mentions a surprise.  What surprise.

[San]

Anita stated that Joran didn't know the Kalpoes long.  According to Deepak he would die for his friends.  He also says that the Van der Sloots were rich.

[Ono]

Thanks for posting the info Klaas;  Yes, Discovery is good!!  Dr. Phil becoming involved was great bait for Deepak's greedy little schemes.  The callousness of the parties who were involved is still so stunning to me.

[Ono]

Just reading Deepak's Chat Session Review.  He mentions a surprise.  What surprise.

Good question....For me, it's hard to decide what is fact and what is fiction with him  -  [ even his mother said that everybody lies ] ....  I also think he likes to "jive" people, in an attempt to make himself seem extremely important.  Who knows ?

[San]

THE MASTER PLAN.  WAS IT WHEN THE JUDGE RELEASED THEM.  SO DEEPAK KNEW THE JUDGE WAS GOING TO RELEASE THEM.

[San]

Just reading Deepak's Chat Session Review.  He mentions a surprise.  What surprise.

Good question....For me, it's hard to decide what is fact and what is fiction with him  -  [ even his mother said that everybody lies ] ....  I also think he likes to "jive" people, in an attempt to make himself seem extremely important.  Who knows ?

Yes but Deepak was privy to Joran's statements.  If the Kalpoes were mentioned in any of Joran's statements they were able to have access to them.

[Buckeye]

Just reading Deepak's Chat Session Review.  He mentions a surprise.  What surprise.

The sentences before this statement are important.  Deepak writes: For now I'm ok because they can't charge me if she is found (dead) what I don't hope for they will arrest me again and start murder charges.

Doesn't sound like someone that only dropped his friend and a girl at the beach.

Then Terry says: If your story clears you..you have nothing to worry about.  Deepak responds, well I know something

Then the part about the surprise.  My guess is they have something on him, he knows it and that's why his story doesn't clear him.

[SS]

My thoughts....
Feel free to add to this.

Sunday, May 29th
Late Afternoon – Paulus and Joran are photographed by the security camera in the Casino, sitting with Natalee and MB girls.
4:00-7:00 PM – Joran calls Jamie Carrasquilla to go out with him that
night. (Jamie 6/17) *He was planning to go to C&Cs even though he told the MB girls that he might not.
After Dinner – MB girls went to the Excelsior Casino where they met Joran and an older 
man.  Joran helps Ruth McVeigh (Whatley 5/12).  Natalee reportedly sees Joran again near the poolside bar where they spoke about going to C&Cs.  The MB students went to C&Cs for their last vacation night.
7:00 PM - Natalee used her Holiday Inn card for the last time (Dave p.72)
11:00 PM - Paulus picks Joan up at McDonalds (Dave p.148)

Monday, May 30th
12:00 AM – Deepak and Satish pick Joran up at the Sloots. (Deepak 6/9) *Where was Paulus – back at the casino?  Why didn’t he know that Joran
left the house?
12:30 AM – Deepak, Satish, Urine arrive at C&Cs.
1:15 AM – Deepak, Joran, Satish leave C&Cs with Natalee (Hodges p. 185) *She was probably starting to feel drug effects from something given to her from the bar.
1:30 AM – Joran, Satish, Deepak left C&Cs with drunken Natalee and went to another bar (David Kock). *Did they stop for more drugs or to tell others that they
had the newest American victim?
1:40 AM – Joran, Deepak, and Satish with Natalee stop in front of the Sloot house. (Joran 6/14)  *She was probably drugged by this point and Joran stopped to get something or pick someone up – maybe Freddy?

*From about 1:40 until 2:15 Natalee was reportedly taken to the Matty Apts.
Where a waiting group of party-goers were gambling and filming a porn video.
This was not the first time that a video party like this had been arranged with tourist victims.  There was a confrontation with the 5th suspect, someone Natalee knew from earlier in the week.  Natalee died from severe injuries or a drug overdose.    

1:50 AM - Joran reports that Deepak and Satish drop Natalee and him at the beach
(Joran 6/14). *Probably false,  They didn’t build sancastle.
2:30 AM - Gardener sees Joran, Deepak, Satish near the Racquet Club (Dave p.103). *They were probably looking for a place to hide Natalee.

*At this point, Joran was most likely very frightened because they had been seen.  They took Natalee to the Sloot home for Paulus to help them.  Paulus
called Voking and DTKM for help.  The adults cleaned Natalee of any DNA.    Val saw an injured woman in the bathtub that had been hit with a baseball bat.  The Kalpoes were sent home to clean the car and set up an Internet alibi.  The other Party-goers were instructed to use the 5th suspect’s house party as an alibi -Lorenzo?  DTKM drove Urine and Natalee back to the pond in his black SUV to dump Natalee’s body.  Paulus followed shortly to pick Urine up and they were seen by the witness.  Paulus must have taken Joran to Lorenzo’s for the party alibi, because Dave was told by the bus driver that Joran was picked up for school near Lorenzo’s house.

3:00 AM - Nadira Ramirez says the boys came home (Dave p.104) They were sent home by Voking and DTKM.  They were reportedly seen by the neighbor cleaning the car. *Probably false because the gardener sees all three near the Racquet Club at 3:00 AM.
3:00 AM – Gardener sees Deepak, Satish, Joran in the field behind the Racquet
Club (Dave p.153).
3:00 AM – Jogger sees three men in the area of the Racquet Club (Dave p.76)
3:30 AM - Joran says Deepak picked him up at Fisherman’s huts (Joran 7/14).*Probably false and maybe an excuse to cover why they had been in the area.4:00 AM - Paulass picks Joan up near McDonalds (Dave p.102)  Reportedly seen by MB
students.  *Paulus probably took Joran to Lorenzo’s house.
4:05 AM - Witness sees Joran walking and Paulus picking him up in a red jeep.
6:30 AM  - Cell or text message to Steve Croes from Sloot phone in Santa Lucia area.
6:30 AM – Paulus on computer researching drugs/alcohol (Hodges p. 186)
6:45 AM - Joran gets bus near Lorenzo’s house.  Bus driver tells Dave the location
where he was picked up.
8:00 AM - Joran reports that he is in school. The headmaster confirms that
Joran was in school, moved cabinets, and went to the medical center (Wardlaw 6/30) *Joran was probably told to be in school as per his van der Eem confession.
8:00 AM - Paulus reports that he went to work (Paulus – 6/18).
10:00 AM – Paulus goes to bank, but doesn’t get money because of crowd (Paulus 6/23)
12:00 PM - Satish reports that he woke up. (Satish 6/13)
2:45 PM  - Joran reports that he came home from school.
3:00 – 3:30 PM – Paulus goes to bank again (Paulus 6/23)
3:30 PM - Deepak reports that Satish drove him to work (Deepak 6/13)
4:00 PM - Joran gets home from school and calls Deepak (Joran 6/14)
Afternoon – Joran goes to Freddy’s house (Freddy 6/12)   
4:30 PM - Paulus reports that he went home (Paulus 6/18)
5:00 PM - Joran says Paulus dropped him at the Racquet Club for a tennis lesson. (Joran
6/14)  *Proved false by Art Wood
5:00 PM - Paulus drops Joran at Racquet Club (Paulus 6/18)
6:00 PM – Paulus changes his drop off story and claims to have eaten dinner with
Val and Sebastian (Paulus 6/23)
6:00 PM - Deepak calls Joran with Guido at the Wyndham (Deepak 6/11)
7:00 PM – 2:00 AM – Urine and Guido are together (John Q. Kelly)
7:15 PM - Joran reports that he left his gym bag at the club and went to the Wyndham.
He also changed his story and admitted that he didn’t have a tennis lesson (Joran 6/14).
8:00 PM - Paulus reports that he took the gym back to the Racquet Club. (Paulus
6/25). Joran is supposedly walking to the Wyndham. *Probably false
because Joran is at the Aruba Grand at 7:45)

  *According to the van der Eem confession, Joran had been told to go to school and be seen at the casinos the next night as if nothing had happened.

8:00 PM - Joran reported that he left for the Wyndham (Joran 6/13).  *Probably false because he was already at the Aruba Grand.
8:34 PM - Paulus is on the Internet looking up drugs/alcohol   
8:45 PM - Joran loses his money in the tournament (Joran 6/14)
10:00 PM - MB students are back in Birmingham and describe the Dutch soccer
player (Dave p.7)
10:30 PM - Joran and Guido walk around the casino and play Blackjack for
about 45 minutes (Joran 6/14)
10:30 PM – *Joran was probably notified of Beth’s pending arrival (Klaas 10/24/07).

*When Paulus, Voking, and DTKM learned that Beth arrived it was necessary
to take Joran, Deepak, and Satish out of the house party alibi.  The beach story
was created.  Errors in the beach story were made at first because the three
did not have enough time to refine the story.  This is probably when it was decided that Natalee had to be removed from the pond because with Beth's arrival they couldn't risk have Natalee's body float to the surface.

11:00 PM – Paulus went to bed (Paulus 6/23).  *Why did he go to bed when he knew Joran was still not home?
11:00 PM – Deepak called Joran at the Radisson (Deepak 6/11) *Probably false because Joran was still at the Wyndham.
11:00 PM – Satish picked Deepak up at work and went home.  Deepak told him
that Joran was at the casinos (Satish 6/10 and 6/11).
11:10 PM - Deepak claims Satish picked him up at work.  He then went home and to the
Radisson to watch Joran in a pocker tournament. Joran was drunk and Deepak stayed for about two hours (Deepak 6/13)
11:15 PM – Joran arrived at the Radisson with Guido (Joran 6/14)
11:35 PM – Deepak reported that he drove to the Radisson (Deepak 6/13)

Tuesday, May 31st
1:00 AM – Joran says Deepak arrived at the Radisson.  He was with Andre (Joran 6/14)
*Probably false because Deepak says he went to the Radisson at 11:35.  Where were they for an hour and a half?  Is this when DTKM, Voking, and Paulus
created the beach story because they knew Beth was on the way?
2:00 AM – Jorans reported that he stopped playing poker (Joran 6/14).
2:30  AM – Deepak and Joran leave the Radisson (Joran 6/14).   
2:30 AM - Joran reported that Paulus called him at the Wyndham parking lot
because Beth had arrived (Joran 6/14)
2:30 AM – Deepak’s car is reported at the Sloot residence (Klaas 10/24/07).
2:40 AM - Deepak says he and Joran arrived at the Sloots because Paulus had called
them (Deepak 7/13)*Beth did not arrive at the Sloot home until 3:30.  The Sloots were tipped off about her arrival on Aruba.
2:50 AM – Beth talks to the police prior to going to the Sloots (McGraw documents)
3:30 AM - Beth arrived at the Sloot home with Charles Croes.  Pauluss waited 15 minutes before coming to the door.  Joran was supposedly at the casinos on a school night.  Paulus called Joran and the Kalpoes to come back to the Sloot house, so he knew where Joran was.
8:00 AM – Beth arrived at the Bulbai Police Station and saw Deepak’s car
parked in the rear (Beth p. 58) *Was it being sanitized and the interior changed?

June 2nd or 3rd

Man sees someone with Natalee at the landfill.
 

[johan555]

1:40 AM – Joran, Deepak, and Satish with Natalee stop in front of the Sloot house. (Joran 6/14)  *She was probably drugged by this point and Joran stopped to get something or pick someone up – maybe Freddy?

OR paul brough/MR PINK?


*From about 1:40 until 2:15 Natalee was reportedly taken to the Matty Apts.
Where a waiting group of party-goers were gambling and filming a porn video.
This was not the first time that a video party like this had been arranged with tourist victims.  There was a confrontation with the 5th suspect, someone Natalee knew from earlier in the week.  Natalee died from severe injuries or a drug overdose.