Natalee Case Discussion #771 10/4/08 - 10/26/08

[Pita]

Texasmom, the Gallery at the 107.5 Blazin Hits site is now password protected.   

[LoRain]

The following is not exactly what we are talking about at the moment but can anyone shed any light on the following post?...from Scrux...

Kissel had made a statement something like this:

Because he was asked about Natalee leaving with someone, he had answered, it wasn't out of the ordinary because Natalee had met someone and was leaving with them and he knew a bartender whom he was waiting for. In one interview he said he didn't ride with the rest because he had a ride from the fellow he had befriended.

[2NJSons_Mom]

The following is not exactly what we are talking about at the moment but can anyone shed any light on the following post?...from Scrux...

Kissel had made a statement something like this:

Because he was asked about Natalee leaving with someone, he had answered, it wasn't out of the ordinary because Natalee had met someone and was leaving with them and he knew a bartender whom he was waiting for. In one interview he said he didn't ride with the rest because he had a ride from the fellow he had befriended.

This was from an interview.....let me see if I can find a transcript.

[texasmom]

Texasmom, the Gallery at the 107.5 Blazin Hits site is now password protected.   

I noticed that!  Guess we know now who Julia's dance partner was! 

[Pita]

The following is not exactly what we are talking about at the moment but can anyone shed any light on the following post?...from Scrux...

Kissel had made a statement something like this:

Because he was asked about Natalee leaving with someone, he had answered, it wasn't out of the ordinary because Natalee had met someone and was leaving with them and he knew a bartender whom he was waiting for. In one interview he said he didn't ride with the rest because he had a ride from the fellow he had befriended.

This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Watch "The O'Reilly Factor" weeknights at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET and listen to the "Radio Factor!"

BILL O'REILLY, HOST: In “'The Factor' Investigation" segment tonight, we're trying to get eyewitness reports on the Natalee Holloway case for you, talk to people who were actually involved in that trip. That's proven to be very, very hard to do, because there's pressure on the 130 students who went on the trip and their seven chaperons not to talk. But our persistence paid off.

Joining us now from Birmingham, Alabama, is 18-year-old Edward Kissel, who was at the bar where Natalee was last seen, and 18-year-old Alana Jordan, who was also at Carlos and whatever it was, and was one of the last to see Natalee.

Alana, we'll begin with you. You saw Natalee where, what time and in what condition?

ALAN JORDAN, FRIEND OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: The last time I saw Natalee, we were leaving the club, and a friend of mine went back to the club because we were going to make sure that no one got left because we were leaving at closing. And we ran into her and asked her if she was OK. And she said yes and indicated that she was going back to the hotel with some other Mountain Brook students.

O'REILLY: So you saw her when the club was closing. Was she intoxicated?

JORDAN: She looked OK to me. I asked her if she was all right, and she said she was fine.

O'REILLY: Was there any...

JORDAN: And obviously, if I didn't believe her, then I wouldn't have let her go.

O'REILLY: All right. So she looked OK to you. She didn't look like she was weaving or sick or anything like that? She looked fine?

JORDAN: No.

O'REILLY: Was she with this Van Der Sloot guy?

JORDAN: Yes, she was.

O'REILLY: Did you know this guy, Van Der Sloot? How did she hook up with him?

JORDAN: I never met him before, and that night he didn't talk. He was just walking next to her. But I assumed that it was him. It was a tall guy with dark hair. I never knew his name, though.

O'REILLY: Had you seen her with this guy before, before this night?

JORDAN: No, but he was in our casino a lot.

O'REILLY: All right. So -- but you knew him? You knew his face? You had seen him around?

JORDAN: Yes. Well, I didn't recognize him that night because it was dark, but we had seen him, yes.

O'REILLY: Now, in this bar, everybody was drinking, right? Seventeen, 18-year-old, the whole crew was drinking, right?

JORDAN: Eighteen-year-olds were, because that's the legal drinking age.

O'REILLY: All right. So...

JORDAN: I don't think anyone 17 could get into the club.

O'REILLY: So the last time you saw her was after the club closed you walked out. She was standing there. This Van Der Sloot guy was with her. You asked her if she was OK. She said she was and she'd get home on her own. She'd get back to the hotel on her own. Do I have it?

JORDAN: Well, we just assumed that she was going with -- there was two groups of students, and we assumed that she was going with a group that was in front of us. And we turned the corner to go to another club, me and a couple of my friends, to make sure that no one got left in that club, because we weren't sure if anyone had gone there.

O'REILLY: Were you...

JORDAN: Make sure that no one got left there.

O'REILLY: Were you a close friend of Natalee?

JORDAN: She's pretty much the reason I passed calculus. Yes.

O'REILLY: All right, so you know her very well?

JORDAN: Yes.

O'REILLY: Would you be surprised to hear that she went off with some guy? Would that shock you?

JORDAN: Yes. She's not -- there's been a lot of allegations that she was a less than respectable girl, and that is completely false. That's really why I wanted to come on this show, to just clarify that she's a really good girl, a really smart girl, and that's why this is such a shock to us.

O'REILLY: OK. So she -- that wouldn't ordinarily be her modus operandi, to go in a car with three guys? That wouldn't have happened in your experience?

JORDAN: NO.

O'REILLY: And you know her very well?

JORDAN: I would say so, yes.

O'REILLY: All right. Now, Ed, when was the last time you saw Natalee?

ED KISSEL, FRIEND OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think I saw her a little later that night. I had stayed in Carlos 'n Charlie's pretty long, and I saw her dancing with Van Der Sloot later that night.

O'REILLY: Now, did you know Van Der Sloot? Did -- how did you know who he was?

KISSEL: I didn't know him, but I had seen -- he had been around the hotel and the casino with her and with her friends, her closer friends, just hanging out around the hotel for the last few days, two or three days.

O'REILLY: All right. So Natalee obviously knew him, then, was familiar with him. And when you saw him dancing with her, that didn't set off any bells. Was Natalee intoxicated, in your opinion?

KISSEL: I wouldn't say so. We were all having a good time. I'd go so far as to say that, but I wouldn't say intoxicated.

O'REILLY: She was drinking?

KISSEL: Drinking responsibly is what I would say.

O'REILLY: All right.

KISSEL: Along with the rest of us.

O'REILLY: Now, did you see her get into a car with Van Der Sloot and these two other guys?

KISSEL: I did not see her getting in the car. I saw her leaving, looked like with Van Der Sloot. I didn't see her getting in the car. You couldn't really see the road from inside the bar, so that is what I saw.

O'REILLY: But nothing set off any alarm bells for you, Ed? You didn't -- you weren't concerned or anything like that?

KISSEL: No. I wasn't personally concerned about anything. From what I've heard, I heard people talk about him and he sounded like a nice guy. So I didn't think any big deal.

I personally had ridden in the car over there. I made friends with one of the waiters. I'm fluent in Spanish, and you know, I was friends with somebody. And so I was thinking, you know, I rode in a car with somebody, she rides in the car with somebody, no big deal. I didn't think about it.

O'REILLY: OK. Now Alana, this was just one big party down there for the 130 Alabama students, right? It was just like a casual party. But there was no supervision. I mean, you guys could do pretty much what you wanted, right?

JORDAN: There actually was supervision. It wasn't -- they knew that this trip was for -- the chaperons, that is. And they weren't breathing down our necks, but they were looking after us very well. And there's -- that's another thing I wanted to address. A lot of people have said that the chaperons weren't doing their job, but by all means, they definitely were.

O'REILLY: But how could they be if you had -- how could they be, Alana, with all due respect, if Natalee Holloway's disappearance wasn't discovered until the next morning? I mean, Natalee, nobody knew where she was or where she went. I mean, that's not supervision, is it?

JORDAN: Well, the thing is, you have to keep in mind there are 130 of us. Natalee is a pretty popular girl. She's friends with a lot of us. So if she wasn't with one group of friends, it wasn't that no one was looking out for her. It was that everyone was looking out for her, and we all thought she was with another group of friends.

We were all out really late. There was no way the chaperons could have kept up with all of us. I was sitting by the pool until about 5 a.m. And our plane left three hours later.

So I don't blame the chaperons in any way at all. They definitely did their job.

O'REILLY: All right. Well, I appreciate you guys coming in and talking about what is a very painful experience. And good luck in college and thanks again. If there's ever anything else you want to tell us, let us know. OK?

JORDAN: Thank you.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159764,00.html

[Pita]

Texasmom, the Gallery at the 107.5 Blazin Hits site is now password protected.   

I noticed that!  Guess we know now who Julia's dance partner was! 

I guess they didn't like all the drunken pictures of Julia posted here!   

[2NJSons_Mom]

The following is not exactly what we are talking about at the moment but can anyone shed any light on the following post?...from Scrux...

Kissel had made a statement something like this:

Because he was asked about Natalee leaving with someone, he had answered, it wasn't out of the ordinary because Natalee had met someone and was leaving with them and he knew a bartender whom he was waiting for. In one interview he said he didn't ride with the rest because he had a ride from the fellow he had befriended.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159764,00.html\

Tragic Trip?
Thursday , June 16, 2005



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This is a partial transcript from "The O'Reilly Factor," June 15, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Watch "The O'Reilly Factor" weeknights at 8 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET and listen to the "Radio Factor!"

BILL O'REILLY, HOST: In “'The Factor' Investigation" segment tonight, we're trying to get eyewitness reports on the Natalee Holloway case for you, talk to people who were actually involved in that trip. That's proven to be very, very hard to do, because there's pressure on the 130 students who went on the trip and their seven chaperons not to talk. But our persistence paid off.

Joining us now from Birmingham, Alabama, is 18-year-old Edward Kissel, who was at the bar where Natalee was last seen, and 18-year-old Alana Jordan, who was also at Carlos and whatever it was, and was one of the last to see Natalee.

Alana, we'll begin with you. You saw Natalee where, what time and in what condition?

ALAN JORDAN, FRIEND OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: The last time I saw Natalee, we were leaving the club, and a friend of mine went back to the club because we were going to make sure that no one got left because we were leaving at closing. And we ran into her and asked her if she was OK. And she said yes and indicated that she was going back to the hotel with some other Mountain Brook students.

O'REILLY: So you saw her when the club was closing. Was she intoxicated?

JORDAN: She looked OK to me. I asked her if she was all right, and she said she was fine.

O'REILLY: Was there any...

JORDAN: And obviously, if I didn't believe her, then I wouldn't have let her go.

O'REILLY: All right. So she looked OK to you. She didn't look like she was weaving or sick or anything like that? She looked fine?

JORDAN: No.

O'REILLY: Was she with this Van Der Sloot guy?

JORDAN: Yes, she was.

O'REILLY: Did you know this guy, Van Der Sloot? How did she hook up with him?

JORDAN: I never met him before, and that night he didn't talk. He was just walking next to her. But I assumed that it was him. It was a tall guy with dark hair. I never knew his name, though.

O'REILLY: Had you seen her with this guy before, before this night?

JORDAN: No, but he was in our casino a lot.

O'REILLY: All right. So -- but you knew him? You knew his face? You had seen him around?

JORDAN: Yes. Well, I didn't recognize him that night because it was dark, but we had seen him, yes.

O'REILLY: Now, in this bar, everybody was drinking, right? Seventeen, 18-year-old, the whole crew was drinking, right?

JORDAN: Eighteen-year-olds were, because that's the legal drinking age.

O'REILLY: All right. So...

JORDAN: I don't think anyone 17 could get into the club.

O'REILLY: So the last time you saw her was after the club closed you walked out. She was standing there. This Van Der Sloot guy was with her. You asked her if she was OK. She said she was and she'd get home on her own. She'd get back to the hotel on her own. Do I have it?

JORDAN: Well, we just assumed that she was going with -- there was two groups of students, and we assumed that she was going with a group that was in front of us. And we turned the corner to go to another club, me and a couple of my friends, to make sure that no one got left in that club, because we weren't sure if anyone had gone there.

O'REILLY: Were you...

JORDAN: Make sure that no one got left there.

O'REILLY: Were you a close friend of Natalee?

JORDAN: She's pretty much the reason I passed calculus. Yes.

O'REILLY: All right, so you know her very well?

JORDAN: Yes.

O'REILLY: Would you be surprised to hear that she went off with some guy? Would that shock you?

JORDAN: Yes. She's not -- there's been a lot of allegations that she was a less than respectable girl, and that is completely false. That's really why I wanted to come on this show, to just clarify that she's a really good girl, a really smart girl, and that's why this is such a shock to us.

O'REILLY: OK. So she -- that wouldn't ordinarily be her modus operandi, to go in a car with three guys? That wouldn't have happened in your experience?

JORDAN: NO.

O'REILLY: And you know her very well?

JORDAN: I would say so, yes.

O'REILLY: All right. Now, Ed, when was the last time you saw Natalee?

ED KISSEL, FRIEND OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think I saw her a little later that night. I had stayed in Carlos 'n Charlie's pretty long, and I saw her dancing with Van Der Sloot later that night.

O'REILLY: Now, did you know Van Der Sloot? Did -- how did you know who he was?

KISSEL: I didn't know him, but I had seen -- he had been around the hotel and the casino with her and with her friends, her closer friends, just hanging out around the hotel for the last few days, two or three days.

O'REILLY: All right. So Natalee obviously knew him, then, was familiar with him. And when you saw him dancing with her, that didn't set off any bells. Was Natalee intoxicated, in your opinion?

KISSEL: I wouldn't say so. We were all having a good time. I'd go so far as to say that, but I wouldn't say intoxicated.

O'REILLY: She was drinking?

KISSEL: Drinking responsibly is what I would say.

O'REILLY: All right.

KISSEL: Along with the rest of us.

O'REILLY: Now, did you see her get into a car with Van Der Sloot and these two other guys?

KISSEL: I did not see her getting in the car. I saw her leaving, looked like with Van Der Sloot. I didn't see her getting in the car. You couldn't really see the road from inside the bar, so that is what I saw.

O'REILLY: But nothing set off any alarm bells for you, Ed? You didn't -- you weren't concerned or anything like that?

KISSEL: No. I wasn't personally concerned about anything. From what I've heard, I heard people talk about him and he sounded like a nice guy. So I didn't think any big deal.

I personally had ridden in the car over there. I made friends with one of the waiters. I'm fluent in Spanish, and you know, I was friends with somebody. And so I was thinking, you know, I rode in a car with somebody, she rides in the car with somebody, no big deal. I didn't think about it.
O'REILLY: OK. Now Alana, this was just one big party down there for the 130 Alabama students, right? It was just like a casual party. But there was no supervision. I mean, you guys could do pretty much what you wanted, right?

JORDAN: There actually was supervision. It wasn't -- they knew that this trip was for -- the chaperons, that is. And they weren't breathing down our necks, but they were looking after us very well. And there's -- that's another thing I wanted to address. A lot of people have said that the chaperons weren't doing their job, but by all means, they definitely were.

O'REILLY: But how could they be if you had -- how could they be, Alana, with all due respect, if Natalee Holloway's disappearance wasn't discovered until the next morning? I mean, Natalee, nobody knew where she was or where she went. I mean, that's not supervision, is it?

JORDAN: Well, the thing is, you have to keep in mind there are 130 of us. Natalee is a pretty popular girl. She's friends with a lot of us. So if she wasn't with one group of friends, it wasn't that no one was looking out for her. It was that everyone was looking out for her, and we all thought she was with another group of friends.

We were all out really late. There was no way the chaperons could have kept up with all of us. I was sitting by the pool until about 5 a.m. And our plane left three hours later.

So I don't blame the chaperons in any way at all. They definitely did their job.

O'REILLY: All right. Well, I appreciate you guys coming in and talking about what is a very painful experience. And good luck in college and thanks again. If there's ever anything else you want to tell us, let us know. OK?

JORDAN: Thank you.

[2NJSons_Mom]

   Pita, I didn't look before I posted the article.  Somebody always beats me.

[LoRain]

Thanks 2NJ and Pita....so I'm assuming the mention of waiting on a bartender was added into the original statement?...

[Pita]

  Pita, I didn't look before I posted the article.  Somebody always beats me.

I understand.....I've had that happen many times too!   

[2NJSons_Mom]

Thanks 2NJ and Pita....so I'm assuming the mention of waiting on a bartender was added into the original statement?...

I do not know where the bartender detail came in....at least at the moment, I cannot recall.  Perhaps one of our other monkeys can say whether it was an add on, fact, or speculated.

[texasmom]

Texasmom, the Gallery at the 107.5 Blazin Hits site is now password protected.   

I noticed that!  Guess we know now who Julia's dance partner was! 

I guess they didn't like all the drunken pictures of Julia posted here!   

You're probably right!  Oh well....  

[LoRain]

Thanks 2NJ and Pita....so I'm assuming the mention of waiting on a bartender was added into the original statement?...

I do not know where the bartender detail came in....at least at the moment, I cannot recall.  Perhaps one of our other monkeys can say whether it was an add on, fact, or speculated.

Yeah...rather curious to say "bartender"....but the poster also says "statement something like this"....so I gather not word for word...but still an odd choice of words..."bartender"....

[texasmom]

Texasmom, the Gallery at the 107.5 Blazin Hits site is now password protected.   

I noticed that!  Guess we know now who Julia's dance partner was! 

I guess they didn't like all the drunken pictures of Julia posted here!   

You're probably right!  Oh well....  

P. S.
monkeytongue's were for Julia and/or her friends who seem to monitor everything we post.

[Lala'sMom]

10/4/08



10/9/08

Does anyone know the man in the first pic with JR? What about the guy in the black shirt?

[Buckeye]

Are you thinking the red sashed one might be Charles Croes' wife?  Iracema Croes (-Amaro Angulo)?

[klaasend]

Are you thinking the red sashed one might be Charles Croes' wife?  Iracema Croes (-Amaro Angulo)?

I think this is his son, not sure if one of these is his wife:



http://arubafastphones.com/index.html

[Lala'sMom]

Actually, I was just wondering if anyone had any ideas about some of the people with Julia.  She had to know some of them. 

[msmarple]

TEXASMOM - I posted something about the "cruel death" and the "mysterious death" cases in the Murder & Crime thread - you posted screen shots of articles about those over the last few days.

Could you possibly pop over to the Murder and Crime thread and post those screen shots? (Or maybe a Mod can do it.) I don't suppose you happen to have links ... ?

Thank you.

[Ono]

Lifetime

I saw the news posted prominently that the Lifetime Network is in production on a movie about Natalee and what happened to her.  And I wanted to add how wonderful I thought that was.  What happened to Natalee was -- and remains -- a travesty, and an affront to civilized people, wherever they may live.  I hope the Holloway/Twitty family has been able to find some measure of peace, knowing that Natalee remains unforgotten, and remembered by many.

The sloots can live in their own public prison, and the authorities on Aruba, and elsewhere who either actively aided and abetted the coverup of a murder, or  who stood by and silently watched as their comrades tortured the Holloway Twitty family, can now watch their island economy continue on its path towards destruction.  The Lord has determined that you all will be punished in this life, as well as the next.

I hope all the monkeys are well.  It's good to drop in and visit.  Best wishes to all.

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Great to see you HAMMER....; As usual, another elegant and forceful post.  God bless..