Natalee Case Discussion #771 10/4/08 - 10/26/08

[2NJSons_Mom]

LilPuma...Julia

Nut...Very reliable source    says there 2 SandraKs...So the post to Arbeej with the incorrect phone number could quite possibly have been an honest mistake.

I believe this was brought up long ago....the SandraK (tweety) on the bb.visitaruba board made an error in the international country code....she typed 001 instead of 011...area code for aruba is 297. 

I used to visit those travel boards often, to see what others were saying...including Charles Croes, Charlierat, etc.  I found that a woman I know in town posted on aruba.com's msg board using her real name, early in the case.....it is startling....whoa I know who that is!!! 

[MumInOhio]

LilPuma...Julia

Nut...Very reliable source    says there 2 SandraKs...So the post to Arbeej with the incorrect phone number could quite possibly have been an honest mistake.

I believe this was brought up long ago....the SandraK (tweety) on the bb.visitaruba board made an error in the international country code....she typed 001 instead of 011...area code for aruba is 297. 

I used to visit those travel boards often, to see what others were saying...including Charles Croes, Charlierat, etc.  I found that a woman I know in town posted on aruba.com's msg board using her real name, early in the case.....it is startling....whoa I know who that is!!! 

Wow...Why would anyone use their real name? Other than Charles, of course!

Thanks 2NJs...simple explanation! Have read there a lot and always thought it was one person until I saw the posts this morning about her.

[2NJSons_Mom]

LilPuma...Julia

Nut...Very reliable source    says there 2 SandraKs...So the post to Arbeej with the incorrect phone number could quite possibly have been an honest mistake.

I believe this was brought up long ago....the Sandra (tweety) on the bb.visitaruba board made an error in the international country code....she typed 001 instead of 011...area code for aruba is 297. 

I used to visit those travel boards often, to see what others were saying...including Charles Croes, Charlierat, etc.  I found that a woman I know in town posted on aruba.com's msg board using her real name, early in the case.....it is startling....whoa I know who that is!!! 

Wow...Why would anyone use their real name? Other than Charles, of course!

Thanks 2NJs...simple explanation! Have read there a lot and always thought it was one person until I saw the posts this morning about her.

Actually, her screen name on bb.visitaruba is Sandra...not SandraK...there can only be one SandraK, as far as I am concerned!!   

[Kermit]

lalasmom

IamTito
Joined: 10 Aug 2005
Location: aruba
   
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 9:13 pm    Post subject:    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
CHARLES Croes has a phone rental company.
__________________________________________


Charles Croes reaction to Aruba.com comments
<snip>
I consulted my Aruba FAst Phone partner (wife)
Thanks
Charles

_______________________________________
From our family to all of you
Author: charles croes (---.setardsl.aw)
Date:   05-14-06 07:54

From us on Aruba to all of you ....

Happy Mothers Day!!!!

Charles, Iris and Junior

arubafastphones.com

http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=155966&t=155966

Charles Croes Company:

FAST PHONE SERVICES- RENT YOUR PHONE

Business address SHIRIBANA 3-I, PARADERA
Legal form SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company FAST PHONE SERVICES- RENT YOUR PHONE
Date of commencement 16 DECEMBER 2003

OWNERS/PARTNERS

CROES, CHARLES AUGUST;
Residing in SHIRIBANA 3-I, PARADERA, ARUBA
Born in U.S.A., NEW YORK on 15 SEPTEMBER 1945
Nationality AMERICAN
Position OWNER
Effective 16 DECEMBER 2003
Authority FULL

OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
HET VERHUREN VAN MOBIELE TELEFOONTOESTELLEN.
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=3433.45
_______________________________________
CharlieRat visited Charles Croes
http://tripreports.visitaruba.com/dynamic/servlet/ReportDetails?CAT_ID=14&ARTICLE_ID=1257
__________________________________

[Kermit]

ACCORDING TO JULIA RENFRO ....
(hat tip: Takisomom)

1. SOLID EVIDENCE GOES "POOF" IN FOUR DAYS

Julia Renfro - June 9, 2005

http://www.billoreilly.com/show?action=viewTVShow&showID=311#1

Aruba newspaper editor Julia Renfro joined The Factor with the latest information on the case and the five men in custody. "The police told us that they have solid evidence against two of the men. The other three were considered as witnesses against those two men."



Beth Twitty

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10348437/


TWITTY: ….. within 72 hours, we knew that their first story was totally fabricated, that within the first 72 hours, I faced a room of 12 -- at least 12 detectives, Aruban and Dutch detectives, and a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), and they knew after we reviewed video footage from the Holiday Inn casino lobby that my daughter had never been brought back to the Holiday Inn. They knew that those suspects were fabricating a story from day one.

<snipped>

You know, we—and what was so unbelievable about this, is they knew this information and still chose to pursue the two security guards on June the 5th.


THE BLUE EYED DUTCH BOY

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177980,00.html

RENFRO: OK. Well, what she did, and I’m not stating that it’s another boy. What she told me on the 31st of May was that Natalee had met a tall Dutch boy with blue eyes. She’d met him. He spent some time with them, meaning the other Mountain Brook kids, as well, throughout their entire vacation. So based on that, she continued with...

O’REILLY: OK. But Natalee’s mother denies the conversation totally.


JORAN, DEEPAK AND SATISH HAVE GOOD REPUTATIONS

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8288005/

ABRAMS: Bottom line, does everyone on the island, I mean is it small enough such that you know a little bit the three other men who are under arrest as well?

RENFRO: Well, it‘s a small enough island to know enough about everybody. Do I know them personally? No. But have I heard about them? Yes. And from my position in the newspaper, we‘re always covering all of the wonderful things that happen on Aruba and you know, they have good reputations.


DOMPIG (ALE) COMMUNICATES WITH JULIA (ATA) REGARDING INVESTIGATION ....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177980,00.html

JULIA RENFRO, EDITOR, ARUBA TODAY: Well, it’s not really what I believe, but I did speak to the Commissioner Dompig earlier today, and I asked him, "What did you mean by they hurt the investigation?" And he said he’s not blaming them specifically for anything, but that their attacks via the U.S. media certainly changed the tide of the investigation, basically, pressuring the police to make what they felt, believe it or not, premature arrests of the suspect.

<snipped>

RENFRO: Well, you know, we’ve — we’ve had a tough time. We’ve had a tough time, because I really went all out for her to help her and her family do everything possible to find their daughter Natalee.


Dompig states: ""We have taken two statements, from Julia Renfro and a Holiday Inn worker, that Beth told them she had gotten a call from her daughter, and that she was in love with a tall, blue-eyed Dutch teenager. So [Beth] had contact with her daughter. But she denies it. The question is why. If [the Twittys] don't level with us, how can they talk about a conspiracy? We need to know the truth. Joran did not have blue eyes. So who was this boy?" Beth denies making any such statements, or even having talked with Natalee while she was in Aruba."
(Vanity Fair article)

http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true



IFA members
Julia Renfro
Marlene & Mark Purcell
http://www.ifaruba.com/mothersday.html


MORE PROOF JULIA SPEAKS WITH DOMPIG:
I did speak to the Commissioner Dompig earlier today
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,177980,00.html



JULIA RENFRO WRITING A BOOK:
Posts: 973
dave's co-author said julia renfroe was writing a book that nh is alive and pregnant with her step-dad's baby
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36423&page=6&pp=25

Julia Renfroe (ed of Aruba Today) was the one who was on O'R. Rec'd e-mail from someone in Boston about what they saw in C&C's ladies' room. There was a post early on from Boston saying the same thing but can't find it.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g1-i9659-k167531-o180-Off_topic_chatter.html

[LoRain]

I keep getting "Error..invalid topic number"....

[WhiskeyGirl]

Dutch government rejects corruption allegations
 
Published: Thursday 23 October 2008 20:38 UTC

The government information service has announced that Traffic Minister Camiel Eurlings has a second home on the island of Bonaire, but said it had nothing to do with speculation. Earlier today, Freedom Party MP Hero Brinkman caused an outcry in parliament when he said that Dutch ministers or their relatives had bought houses on the island of Bonaire because they knew in advance that the island would become a special municipality of the Netherlands. However, the government information service that Minister Eurlings bought the house one year ago, well after the decision on Bonaire's future had been made public.

At present, Aruba, the Netherlands Antilles and the Netherlands are all member states of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. As part of a process of political reform, the Netherlands Antilles' islands of Saba, St Eustatius and Bonaire in a referendum voted to become special municipalities of the Netherlands. The other two islands, St Maarten and Curaçao, voted for a limited form of autonomy as already adopted by Aruba in 1986. The prices of real estate on Bonaire are expected to go up as a result of its change in political status.

(snip)

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/international/6022669/Dutch-government-rejects-corruption-allegations

[Blonde]

Anyone know how old Renfroe is? 

Let's see.....

i think 65 > 5 facelifts +5 times a botox    treatment + new belly skin +wig and 2 month's rehab 

You forgot, spare tire alert 

[sharon]

You forgot, spare tire alert 

 

yes -- her muffintop 

[klaasend]

[Nut44x4]

 

[Nut44x4]

[2NJSons_Mom]

    This stood out to me, earlier....so glad it was her and not me!!!!  Don't wear low rise pants if midriff floweth over...

[wreck]

How old is Julia??????? We ARE talking "dog years" aren't we?? 

[wreck]

How old is Julia??????? We ARE talking "dog years" aren't we?? 

by my calculations...... 43 x 7 = 301. (Vampire status)

[texasmom]

 
Klaas, 2NJ, Sharon, Wreck!   

[texasmom]

Thanks....I quit reading at RU quite a while ago (FINALLY) .  Let me tell ya, it was almost as difficult as quitting drinking. 

I don't go there much, usually when there is absolutely nothing else happening...
But....every now and then you see something there that makes you go hmmmm...this is one of them.  The pictures from the law firm are more recent...but I think it's him too. 

Mystery of the guy in the blue shirt solved IMO.

 

p.s.  and maybe Johan's guy giving Joran a hug at the airport too...not sure about that one.  I'd like to see it again...





http://www.bbblegal.com/richie.php




http://www.bbblegal.com/index.php



http://www.bbblegal.com/workingatbbb.php



Richie Kock

C U R R I C U L U M    V I T A E
 
    Studie:
 
 Fiscaal Recht, Leiden Universiteit, Nederland

 Nederlands Recht, Leiden Universiteit, Nederland
 1997 - 2000

1992 - 1998
 


   Werkervaring:
 
 Advocaat-Medewerker bij Bergman Bloem & Bergman,
  attorneys at law/tax lawyers, Sint Maarten, Nederlandse Antillen 2007 - heden
 
Advocaat-Medewerker bij Lexwell Advocaten
   Sint Maarten, Nederlandse Antillen 2006 - 2007
 
Advocaat-Medewerker bij Antonio Carlo Advocaten, Aruba 2005 - 2006
 
Advocaat-Stagiair bij Oomen & Offringa Advocaten, Aruba
 2002 - 2005  

Junior Belastingadviseur bij Ernst & Young, Nederland/Rotterdam
 2001 - 2002
 
Junior Belastingadviseur bij PriceWaterHouseCoopers,
   Nederland/Amsterdam
 2000 - 2001

   Functies:
 
 Lid van het Bestuur van de Orde van Advocaten (Penningmeester) van Sint Maarten,
  Nederlandse Antillen, sedert februari 2008
 
Lid van het Bestuur van de 'Jonge Balie' van de Orde van Advocaten van Aruba in 2004
 
Lid van de Activiteitencommissie van het Gerecht in Eerste Aanleg van Aruba (2002 – 2006)

In zijn studententijd lid geweest van Bureau voor Rechtshulp in Leiden
  (Afdeling Arbeidsrecht), (1995 – 1996)

 


http://richiekock.hyves.nl/

[texasmom]

Now I want to know WHY she kicked him....

She looked really mad...he must have said something we would have liked.

[texasmom]

Guess maybe I should check in on the Shango thread more often...   

[finngirl]

there are the occasional differences
in sandraK's posts

bless her heart

Every once in a while, the posts are made like this with perfect grammar and spelling and punctuation.  And a more formal typing and spacing style is used.  I have sometimes found myself scrolling back up to make sure that it was her nic I saw when that happens.  But most often

y ou will see.......LOTS of dots and!!!!! and typos adn impro per spacing and realy simpel mistakes in h ow she spels da words........