Marlies van der Kouwe , 24, kidnapped in Bonaire 9/21/08 -(BODY FOUND)

[johan555]

Police on Bonaire
There are 2 cases
One has nothing to do with the other,said police chef  John v Schagen today .

[johan555]

KRALENDIJK - There is no link between the abduction of Marlies van der Kouw and the attempted abduction of the 8-year-old daughter of the family Kouwen.
 
The house and farm of the family Kouwen on Bonaire.

There is no ransom demanded by the family Kouwen. That said chief John van Schagen Friday at a press conference.

The 35-year-old man who was arrested for the attempted abduction of the little girl has a partial statement.

The 24-year-old suspect in the abduction of Marlies is interrogated. About his background, the police lost nothing. Friday 17.00 hours local time, the man bringing up to the court commissioner.

Scooter
Thursday, four houses have been searched. It was found a scooter. That is still being investigated. Other stuff of the man were seized. What kind of things that are, let Prosecutor David van Delft not say. ,, Bonaire is a small, close-knit community and everything I say now may prejudice the investigation, said Van Delft.

From Delft stressed that the investigation becomes addressed. Several specialists, as forensic experts and technical investigators, working on the case. The police, the people of Bonaire tips to questions. The investigation into the disappearance of Marlies will also continue Saturday.
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'Geen verband tussen ontvoeringen'
KRALENDIJK - Er is geen verband tussen de ontvoering van Marlies van der Kouwe en de poging tot ontvoering van de 8-jarige dochter van de familie Van Kouwen.
 
Het huis en bedrijf van de familie Van Kouwen op Bonaire

Ook is geen losgeld geëist van de familie Van Kouwen. Dat zei korpschef John van Schagen vrijdag op een persconferentie.

De 35-jarige man die is opgepakt voor de poging tot ontvoering van het kleine meisje heeft een gedeeltelijke verklaring afgelegd.

De 24-jarige verdachte van de ontvoering van Marlies wordt nog verhoord. Over zijn achtergrond wil de politie niets kwijt. Vrijdagmiddag 17.00 uur lokale tijd is de man voorgeleid aan de rechter-commissaris.

Scooter
Donderdag zijn vier huizen doorzocht. Daarbij werd een scooter gevonden. Die wordt nog onderzocht. Ook andere spullen van de man zijn in beslag genomen. Wat voor spullen dat zijn, wil Officier van Justitie David van Delft niet zeggen. ,,Bonaire is een kleine, hechte gemeenschap en alles wat ik nu zeg, kan het onderzoek schaden, aldus Van Delft.

Van Delft benadrukt dat het onderzoek groot wordt aangepakt. Verschillende specialisten, zoals forensisch experts en technisch rechercheurs, werken aan de zaak. De politie blijft de bevolking van Bonaire om tips vragen. Het onderzoek naar de verdwijning van Marlies gaat ook zaterdag verder.

[wreck]

Rob - is it possible that TES will join the search?

I seriously doubt that SS as the parents are heavily insulated by the polis. They have made that known.

Is there a way to get information to then about TES? 

Not that every missing person deserves the help of TES -- where do the resources of TES have to be prioritized? This is a foreign country with NO American connections. I'm sorry, but TES needs to do what they can for Americans first! I DO realize they went back to Aruba to search for one of Aruba's own -- but that was more of a good faith effort to try to promote goodwill and help with NATALEE. JMO

is tes only for americans ?
were can i find that info wreck ?

No, they are a private American organization  - basesd in Texas who started locally near Houston and their good work, deeds, and reputation have caused many other localities to request their help. I am certainly not speaking for TES in any fashion -- they can decide where to spend their resources in any way they choose. I signed my post above "JMO" (Just MY Opinion).

[johan555]

Rob - is it possible that TES will join the search?

I seriously doubt that SS as the parents are heavily insulated by the polis. They have made that known.

Pity because they would be able to do a good job  on bonaire
They have the experience, and this case is a bit similar to the NH case on aruba


Is there a way to get information to then about TES? 

Not that every missing person deserves the help of TES -- where do the resources of TES have to be prioritized? This is a foreign country with NO American connections. I'm sorry, but TES needs to do what they can for Americans first! I DO realize they went back to Aruba to search for one of Aruba's own -- but that was more of a good faith effort to try to promote goodwill and help with NATALEE. JMO

is tes only for americans ?
were can i find that info wreck ?

No, they are a private American organization  - basesd in Texas who started locally near Houston and their good work, deeds, and reputation have caused many other localities to request their help. I am certainly not speaking for TES in any fashion -- they can decide where to spend their resources in any way they choose. I signed my post above "JMO" (Just MY Opinion).

[johan555]

Rob - is it possible that TES will join the search?

I seriously doubt that SS as the parents are heavily insulated by the polis. They have made that known.

Pity because they would be able to do a good job  on bonaire
They have the experience, and this case is a bit similar to the NH case on aruba


Is there a way to get information to then about TES? 

Not that every missing person deserves the help of TES -- where do the resources of TES have to be prioritized? This is a foreign country with NO American connections. I'm sorry, but TES needs to do what they can for Americans first! I DO realize they went back to Aruba to search for one of Aruba's own -- but that was more of a good faith effort to try to promote goodwill and help with NATALEE. JMO

is tes only for americans ?
were can i find that info wreck ?

No, they are a private American organization  - basesd in Texas who started locally near Houston and their good work, deeds, and reputation have caused many other localities to request their help. I am certainly not speaking for TES in any fashion -- they can decide where to spend their resources in any way they choose. I signed my post above "JMO" (Just MY Opinion).

this one lol

Pity because they would be able to do a good job  on bonaire
They have the experience, and this case is a bit similar to the NH case on aruba

[wreck]

Pity because they would be able to do a good job  on bonaire
They have the experience, and this case is a bit similar to the NH case on aruba

I certainly did not mean to imply that TES should not try to help "foreigners" -- I wish they could help EVERYONE! They are strictly working on donations and simply cannot be all things to the whole world. I am only suggesting they prioritize to helping their own neighbors and Americans FIRST.

[johan555]

Pity because they would be able to do a good job  on bonaire
They have the experience, and this case is a bit similar to the NH case on aruba

I certainly did not mean to imply that TES should not try to help "foreigners" -- I wish they could help EVERYONE! They are strictly working on donations and simply cannot be all things to the whole world. I am only suggesting they prioritize to helping their own neighbors and Americans FIRST.

I'm afraid of the worst secenario in this case

[johan555]

Bartender Mike Voorthuizen ::  "Police did the first 24 hours nothing '

About the arrested R.P. he says to know that 'a sick man. " 'It's a crazy, a rapist a fool. He sometimes kidnapped women to abuse them for days.
By PETER DE KNEGT
KRALENDIJK - With four waved them Marlies van der Kouw last weekend in the night from Saturday to Sunday around 01.00 hours from when she stepped on her bike and direction peddelde house.
Mike Voorthuizen, bartender of Karel's Beach Bar, remember well.

,, The twin sisters, Cesar and me. Marlies did not want to be away. The next morning we have breakfast together and swim.''

Marlies but did not show. Her bike ride to her house in the 'better' residential Hato ended when she around half past one at the Water and Electricity Bonaire (WEB) was pulled from her bicycle and dragged along on a scooter. Two security guards saw it happen from behind the high fence and could do nothing else than the warning line call.

As soon as the police spot was so little happened afterwards. Although a bike and toe slippers were found, the police saw no great alarm to save. ,, Not even when we are on Sunday when police aanklopten,''recalls the bartender itself. ,, The first 24 hours they did nothing.''

Mike is furious at the lax attitude of the police. ,, First they wanted to know nothing and now suddenly we perform to behind each other for hours by sawn to be. I have now for the third time and my friend Cesar has also been interrogated for three hours.''

Mike has just as the other islanders no idea what may have happened with the Marlies. Certainly not now the messages overlapping tumble that there is possibly a mistaken identity. Not Marlies van der Kouw would have been the intended victim, but also the blond 17-year-old daughter of the resident on the island of Dutchman Wout Kouwen.

The similarity of name and appearance would have led to the Thursday arrested suspect R. P., which was igehuurd Islanders by the Yugoslav mafia, the 'wrong' has caught. P. It took eight years just to sit in cell Bon Futuro on Curaçao and was a few months since Friday.

,, For ten thousand Antillean guilders funny things people can do,''says Wout of Kouwen. He received a bizarre phone call Tuesday that the possible kidnapper of Marlies van der Kouw half million ransom demanded for the release of the Dutch. 'The man on the phone told my daughter that he had, but they are not.''

How seriously the call should be taken is unclear. Certainly this week because another daughter of Van Kouw, the 8-year-old Bo, was almost kidnapped by a local junk. By brave action of the girl and a good description of the offender could soon be caught.

Or the junk and late Thursday arrested R. P. knew each other and worked together for perhaps the family to take Kouwen to graze, must show.

According to police Johan Schagen is' nothing out and everything included in the investigation. " An investigation that is largely happening in the (rough) nature of Bonaire.

,, And with man power, help from the Rangers of Stinapa, ships and aircraft, we continue to search,''stresses Schagen. ,, But the extent and nature of nature is such that you are not in a few days the whole island have combed out.''

Bonaire is inhospitable, with lots of hiding places that are not always accessible. So are located in the north of the island alone, where over 150 caves hidden Marlies could sit.

A ray of hope is perhaps the discovery of the muddy scooter of the arrested P. Perhaps the employees flew from the Netherlands on the Dutch Forensic Institute found traces which may explain a link with Marlies. Her parents now waiting in great tension in the Plaza Hotel. Remarkable coincidence: P. was at the time of his arrest on his way to work in the same Plaza Hotel.

About the arrested R.P. he says to know that 'a sick man. " 'It's a crazy, a rapist a fool. He sometimes kidnapped women to abuse them for days. Even in prison he has fitted women are rape.''

[SS]

Rob - is it possible that TES will join the search?

I seriously doubt that SS as the parents are heavily insulated by the polis. They have made that known.

Is there a way to get information to then about TES? 

Not that every missing person deserves the help of TES -- where do the resources of TES have to be prioritized? This is a foreign country with NO American connections. I'm sorry, but TES needs to do what they can for Americans first! I DO realize they went back to Aruba to search for one of Aruba's own -- but that was more of a good faith effort to try to promote goodwill and help with NATALEE. JMO

is tes only for americans ?
were can i find that info wreck ?

It is my understanding that TES is for anyone who asks for help.  I am sure that International contributions would also be benefical to TES.  Their equipment is very expensive and searches require a lot of money.

[K9-Chaser]

IMHO, unless this has been or IS being done, K9's that are able to do aged and contaminated LIVE SCENT trailing work should be used to trail from where Marlies was last seen.  Using cadaver trained area search airscent dogs is a good resource to be used if needed after the live scent trailing dogs, but what is needed is to go from point A (where Marlies was last seen), to point B (where Marlies is now).   

[johan555]

By PETER DE KNEGT
BONAIRE - The police team on Bonaire, that investigating the disappearance of 24-year-old Marlies van der apothekersassistente Kouw, denied a possible mistaken identity in the abduction to investigate. The existence of a telephone demand for ransom for Marlies by the police denied.

Wout of Kouw, a Bonaire resident almost namesake of Marlies van der Kouw However, opposite the AD stand firm last Tuesday that he had a phone call in which a man half million euro ransom demanded. 'He told me my daughter would only look back if I would pay for the release of my 17-year-old daughter Jaimylee of Kouwen. But my daughter was not abducted. That was also the blonde Marlies van der Kouw.''Wout of Kouwen was initially taken with a "sick joke". ,, Attempted Until last Wednesday was my 8-year-old daughter of Bo Kouwen to abduct.''

From Kouwen has not only the AD told in detail about the ransom call, he did his story Saturday in the Telegraaf and on the radio.

For investigator John Schagen on Bonaire was a conversation with the mother of the short time of kidnapped Bo Kouwen enough to losgeldeis to the tales of the rich to pay. ,, The mother denies that there is a ransom call was received,''says Van Schagen. The police have not taken the trouble existence of the losgeldeis to check Wout of Kouwen itself. , Who sir, we have not spoken.''

The mother of Bo Kouw, Shirley Seaman denies request to the AD that they told the police has stated that no losgeldeis when her husband arrives. ,, The ransom call was received by him, how can I know that's not what would be.''Zeeman said it hoped that there is no question of mistaken identity due to the almost identical names of Marlies van der Kouw and her 17-year-old daughter Jaimylee of Kouwen.

Wout of Kouwen is no stranger to justice. He was previously convicted and acquitted of drug trafficking and would have been an important witness on the Amsterdam liquidation wave and the assassination of prosecutor Koos Plooy. It may have been the phone call from an "old acquaintance" who are still owed money or are planning to have Van Kouwen. ,, I would not say that I'm debts, but I have no problems with, for example, the Yugoslav mafia. I read about them never made statements.''

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Politie Bonaire negeert onderzoeksspoor
Door PETER DE KNEGT
BONAIRE - Het politieteam op Bonaire, dat onderzoek doet naar de verdwijning van de 24-jarige apothekersassistente Marlies van der Kouwe, weigert een mogelijke persoonsverwisseling bij de ontvoering verder te onderzoeken. Ook het bestaan van een telefonische eis voor losgeld voor Marlies wordt door de politie ontkend.

Wout van Kouwen, een op Bonaire woonachtige bijna naamgenoot van Marlies van der Kouwe houdt echter tegenover het AD voet bij stuk dat hij afgelopen dinsdag een telefoontje heeft gehad waarin een man een half miljoen euro losgeld eiste. ,,Hij zei dat ik mijn dochter pas zou terugzien als ik zou betalen voor de vrijlating van mijn 17-jarige dochter Jaimylee van Kouwen. Maar mijn dochter was helemaal niet ontvoerd. Dat was de eveneens blonde Marlies van der Kouwe.'' Wout van Kouwen hield in eerste instantie rekening met een ‘misselijke grap’. ,,Totdat afgelopen woensdag geprobeerd werd mijn 8-jarige dochter Bo van Kouwen te ontvoeren.’’

Van Kouwen heeft niet alleen het AD uitvoerig verteld over het losgeldtelefoontje; hij deed zijn verhaal zaterdag ook in de Telegraaf en op de radio.

Voor onderzoeksleider John Schagen op Bonaire was een gesprek met de moeder van de korte tijd ontvoerde Bo van Kouwen echter voldoende om de losgeldeis naar het rijk der fabelen te verwijzen. ,,De moeder ontkent dat er een losgeldtelefoontje is binnengekomen, ’’aldus Van Schagen. De politie heeft geen moeite genomen het bestaan van de losgeldeis te verifiëren bij Wout van Kouwen zelf. ,,Die meneer hebben wij niet gesproken.''

De moeder van Bo van Kouwen, Shirley Zeeman ontkent desgevraagd tegenover het AD dat zij tegenover de politie heeft verklaard dat er geen losgeldeis bij haar man is binnengekomen. ,,Het losgeldtelefoontje is bij hem binnengekomen, hoe kan ik dan weten dat niet waar zou zijn.’’ Zeeman zegt wel te hopen dat er geen sprake is van persoonsverwisseling vanwege de bijna gelijkluidende namen van Marlies van der Kouwe en haar 17-jarige dochter Jaimylee van Kouwen.

Wout van Kouwen is geen onbekende van justitie. Hij werd eerder veroordeeld én vrijgesproken van drugshandel en zou een belangrijke getuige zijn geweest rond de Amsterdamse liquidatiegolf én de moordaanslag op officier van justitie Koos Plooy. Mogelijk is het telefoontje afkomstig van een ‘oude bekende’ die nog geld tegoed heeft of denkt te hebben van Van Kouwen. ,,Ik wil niet zeggen dat ik schuldenvrij ben, maar ik heb geen problemen met bijvoorbeeld de Joegoslavische maffia. Ik heb over hen ook nooit verklaringen afgelegd.’’

[johan555]

Suspect arrested


KRALENDIJK – The police have arrested Rayan P. yesterday afternoon around five o’clock, on suspicion of kidnapping Marlies van der Kouwe.

There has been a search at the Kaya Kamari, Kaya Wanapa and Kaya Amazona. Later on in the evening, a scooter was taken in at the Kaya Mgr. Niewindt, in the garden of relatives of the suspect. There has been no trace of the Dutch woman since her disappearance on Sunday night. She was kidnapped by a man on a motor or scooter when she was cycling on her way to her apartment at Hato. The painstaking search still continues. According to unconfirmed reports, Rayan P. was released from prison a month ago. In 2002 he was convicted to eight years for raping a woman at Belnem, on Bonaire. P. was arrested while a press conference of the police was going on in the building of the Island Council. Public Prosecutor David van Delft had apologized for his absence. Lieutenant governor Herbert Domacassé would hold a national oration at eleven o’clock this morning.

On Wednesday afternoon at around six o’clock a kidnapping attempt of an eight year old girl took place who was dragged off her bicycle by a man, who then walked off with her. The girl was able to get away and go home. The police acted immediately. Going on the description, a 35-year old man from Kralendijk was arrested within fifteen minutes and detained for further investigation

[LoRain]

If I'm not mistaken..TES has to suspend the current search they were on because of damage done in Texas by the hurricane....damaged some of their equipment or something...

[johan555]

If I'm not mistaken..TES has to suspend the current search they were on because of damage done in Texas by the hurricane....damaged some of their equipment or something...

oh i didn't know that
do they have  a website ?

[K9-Chaser]

Is there anyone on here that knows who, how to make contact (or IS in contact) with the appropriate officials and possibly too as a back up, the family of Ms. van der Kouwe, regarding possible resources for working this case?

[LoRain]

Johan....

http://www.texasequusearch.org/

[johan555]

   The newly appointed Police Chief John Schagen under great pressure

Police ignore geldeis kidnapped Marlies
by John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses

KRALENDIJK (Bonaire) - The police on Friday Bonaire has failed to make the declaration to tow a possible interesting witness in the investigation into the abduction of Marlies van der Kouw.

 
The Marlies van der Kouw disappeared.
Former Prosecutor witness Wout of Kouwen was not approached about a half of geldeis million he received Tuesday. "None of the police in touch with me," says Van Kouw, which is accessible to multiple phone numbers.

The newly appointed chief John Schagen is now under great pressure, it is clear.

After the blunders of the police in the first two days, had to admit Schagen Friday that his detectives had no contact with the witness Van Kouwen. Initially he tried to cover up, by saying that "the family" was approached.

He said Schagen inquiry had to do with the wife of Van Kouw, who knew nothing of. "No, I have my girlfriend here do not have been," says Van Kouwen. "I thought, this is even sick joke, then I did not worry." Thursday followed an attempted abduction of his daughter Bo. From Kouwen repeated yesterday that Tuesday called for money.

Whether the police still take into account a broad scenario, in order to avoid tunnel vision, would not say chief John Schagen.

He maintains that there never has been a geldeis. Four days after the messy start of the investigation, he has now sharply curtailed. The attempted abduction of the 8-year-old daughter of Van Kouwen by the police is now seen as a bizarre coincidence. "A connection with the abduction of Marlies van der Kouw I close out," said Selby. The chief does not want to have research on the possibility of a mistaken identity.

The chief of police, the arrested suspect Rayan Pieters as prime suspect, if he makes. Pieters previously raped a white woman and held her for days. He recently agreed early Friday to horror of the woman who still lives on the island.

On the island yesterday searches were done in the hope that somewhere Marlies is being held. Meanwhile, the police also sought information from all ATMs. Furthermore, images of five cameras, which are aimed at the beach bar Karel, where Marlies van der Kouw the hours spent for the abduction. It is clear that Marlies also omging with American medicine students and possibly the night before her abduction by them was a party. A week after the abduction early focus for his Schagen just flown in sniffer dogs. Six days after the crime, he had this rout in the crowded and not marketed scene of the crime.
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Politie negeert geldeis ontvoerde Marlies
door John van den Heuvel en Bert Huisjes

KRALENDIJK (Bonaire) -  De politie op Bonaire heeft vrijdag nagelaten om de verklaring na te trekken van een mogelijk interessante getuige in het onderzoek naar de ontvoering van Marlies van der Kouwe.

 
De verdwenen Marlies van der Kouwe.
Voormalig kroongetuige van justitie Wout van Kouwen is niet benaderd over een geldeis van een half miljoen euro die hij dinsdag ontving. "Niemand van de politie heeft contact met mij opgenomen", zegt Van Kouwen, die op meerdere telefoonnummers bereikbaar is.

De net aangetreden korpschef John Schagen staat inmiddels onder grote druk, zo wordt duidelijk.

Na de blunders van de politie in de eerste twee dagen, moest Schagen vrijdag toegeven dat zijn rechercheurs geen contact hadden gelegd met de getuige Van Kouwen. Aanvankelijk probeerde hij dat te verdoezelen, door te zeggen dat "de familie" was benaderd.

Schagen zei dat hij navraag had laten doen bij de vrouw van Van Kouwen, die van niets wist. "Nee, ik heb mijn vriendin hier inderdaad niet over ingelicht", zegt Van Kouwen. "Ik dacht, dit is eens sick joke, dan ga ik haar niet ongerust maken." Daarop volgde donderdag een poging tot ontvoering van zijn dochter Bo. Van Kouwen herhaalde gisteren ook dat er dinsdag gebeld is om geld.

Of de politie nog rekening houdt met een breed scenario, om tunnelvisie te vermijden, wil korpschef John Schagen niet zeggen.

Hij houdt vol dat er nooit een geldeis is geweest. Vier dagen na het rommelige begin van het onderzoek, heeft hij dit nu fors ingeperkt. Ook de ontvoeringspoging van de 8-jarige dochter van Van Kouwen wordt door de politie nu gezien als een bizar toeval. "Een verband met de ontvoering van Marlies van der Kouwe sluit ik uit", aldus Schagen. De korpschef wil ook geen onderzoek besteden aan de mogelijkheid van een persoonsverwisseling.

De korpschef ziet de opgepakte verdachte Rayan Pieters als hoofdverdachte, zo liet hij merken. Pieters verkrachtte eerder een blanke vrouw en hield haar dagenlang vast. Hij kwam onlangs vervroegd vrij, tot afgrijzen van de vrouw die nog steeds op het eiland woont.

Op het eiland werden gisteren huiszoekingen gedaan, in de hoop dat ook Marlies ergens wordt vastgehouden. Inmiddels heeft de politie ook de gegevens van alle geldautomaten opgevraagd. Verder zijn beelden bekeken van vijf camera's, die gericht staan op het strandbarretje Karel's, waar Marlies van der Kouwe de uren voor de ontvoering doorbracht. Duidelijk is dat Marlies ook omging met Amerikaanse medicijnenstudenten en mogelijk de avond voor haar ontvoering bij hen op een feest was. Een week na de ontvoering vroeg Schagen vooral aandacht voor zijn net ingevlogen speurhonden. Zes dagen na het misdrijf liet hij deze snuffelen op de druk bezochte en niet afgezette plaats van het misdrijf.

[johan555]

This is the area were here house is

[SS]

Is there anyone on here that knows who, how to make contact (or IS in contact) with the appropriate officials and possibly too as a back up, the family of Ms. van der Kouwe, regarding possible resources for working this case?

I think Rob tried to connect Marlie's family with TES during the first few days, but the police would not tell him where the family was staying or how to get in touch with them.

[K9-Chaser]

Pity because they would be able to do a good job  on bonaire
They have the experience, and this case is a bit similar to the NH case on aruba

I certainly did not mean to imply that TES should not try to help "foreigners" -- I wish they could help EVERYONE! They are strictly working on donations and simply cannot be all things to the whole world. I am only suggesting they prioritize to helping their own neighbors and Americans FIRST.

I'm afraid of the worst secenario in this case

Depending on what is 'really' happening with this case which isn't being reported, the type of help that they need are people who routinely / regularly work LE cases, that is, specialize in this type of work (abductions / murders, etc.), as opposed to those that do 'straight'  search and rescue work.