Marlies van der Kouwe , 24, kidnapped in Bonaire 9/21/08 -(BODY FOUND)

[johan555]

I think you're right and she was alive for a few days, but where?

Rayan came back home that night and cleaned his clothes (so he is probably involved)...but where was she when the polis weren't looking and didn't care?

did he leave her somewhere with the others?

He can't be at home cleaning his clothes and Marlies alive somewhere else and not attempting to escape.

Either she was killed shortly after she was abducted or she was left somewhere with the people who have the black or dark car.

Hey Bro Bro. We'll know a lot more when a thorough DNA analysis is done. There could be evidence of gang rape, which shoots the simple robbery theory out of the tub. I agree with your assesment that she couldn't have lived for days without complicity of others.

Bro - what other reason is there to ABDUCT Marlies?

you know, I spoke to TJ last nite about all of this and he is very confidant "we" could have found her in the first week after she was missing...sense pain inflicted by those that killed her and the police who don't give a shit. The polis only cared when it looked bad for Bonaire, not because a little girl was murdered.

hey, Bonaire is only so big - why did it take a month to find her?

Rob i don't have the idea that she was killed the same evening.( timeline)
I hope the we know soon what happend exactly .
There was a press C today but i haven't seen it yet .

[vms]

Have the monkeys sent condolences?  Don't know if it would be well-received or get a "butt out" response, but with all the support and sympathy I'm seeing here, I thought you might have.  I think the Netherlands needs to step in and demand that the police in the ABC islands be revamped for training, corruption and competence. 

condoleance register

http://www.condoleance.nl/registers/register_10668.html

and you see her pic and click on > condoleance toevoegen

Thank  you, Johan.  I didn't read this before clicking on the link in your previous post, but seem to have gotten lucky and hit the right keys as my post went through. 

I somehow managed to get a post through also.
Thanks, Johan.

[bastibro]

The main suspect in the murder of Marlies van der Kouwe, Rayan Pieters, is now under heavy surveillance returned to Bonaire.

Pieters was since Sunday on a very heavily secured section of the Bon Futuro prison on Curaçao placed. Pieters was in prison by fellow prisoners seriously threatening. It proved not possible to the department where Pieters stayed hermetically be closed.

Rayan Pieters, according to fellow prisoners in the Bon Futuro designated someone else allegedly involved in the murder of Marlies van der Kouw.
He would have referred to Jair Leuteria.

Leuteria escaped from the Bon Futuro prison and is still on the run and would, according to rumors on Bonaire keep hiding. Leuteria was over 20 years in prison convicted of a double murder.

He`s in prison again! where he belongs to serve the rest of his 24 years sentence for murder

[Dayhiker]

found this at amigoe site

Murder case Marlies seems solved
22 Okt, 2008, 09:07 (GMT -04:00)

Marlies van der Kouwe

WILLEMSTAD – The murder of Marlies van der Kouwe seems to be solved.  Suspect Ryan P. has confessed that he has strangled Marlies, said P.’s mother today.

The 27-year old man said that he wanted to steal Marlies’ bag, but when the victim put up a fight and grabbed her attacker by the throat, he strangled her.  The mother says that her son made a confession before the police in the presence of his lawyer and her.  P. had also told the police that he had strangled Marlies at the location where he had pulled her off her bike.  He then transported the body with a motorbike to the place where the 24-year old pharmacist-assistant was found late last week.  His mother says that Ryan is remorseful of what happened.

The victim disappeared in the night of Saturday, September 20 to Sunday, September 21.  She was pulled off her bicycle on her way home.  Her remains were finally found in the mondi (woods) behind the Amboina neighbourhood last Friday.  Ryan P., who was suspected of kidnapping then and murder now, is in custody since four weeks ago.  He was transferred to the Bon Futuro-prison in Curacao after Marlies’ remains were found.  He was flown back to Bonaire yesterday evening under strict police escort.  To get more clarity in the case, the police took him to the place where Marlies was found on Friday.  Several media reported that where the skull and some bones were found on Friday is not far from where the rest of the remains were found.  The suspect is not allowed visitors, with the exception of his lawyer and the investigation team.  Such measure is taken to make sure that the suspect cannot frustrate the investigation by for example influencing witnesses, said the ANP. 

 

Thanks Basti! He makes it sound like a robbery gone bad. That's total bullshit. Why was she dismembered? That's ruthless!

Don't care to start any political arguments but here goes. I have always supported the death penalty yet if I didn't this makes a perfect case for it. People like this are less than human and deserve to be put out of their misery just like a rabid dog.

[Dayhiker]

I think you're right and she was alive for a few days, but where?

Rayan came back home that night and cleaned his clothes (so he is probably involved)...but where was she when the polis weren't looking and didn't care?

did he leave her somewhere with the others?

He can't be at home cleaning his clothes and Marlies alive somewhere else and not attempting to escape.

Either she was killed shortly after she was abducted or she was left somewhere with the people who have the black or dark car.

Hey Bro Bro. We'll know a lot more when a thorough DNA analysis is done. There could be evidence of gang rape, which shoots the simple robbery theory out of the tub. I agree with your assesment that she couldn't have lived for days without complicity of others.

Bro - what other reason is there to ABDUCT Marlies?

you know, I spoke to TJ last nite about all of this and he is very confidant "we" could have found her in the first week after she was missing...sense pain inflicted by those that killed her and the police who don't give a shit. The polis only cared when it looked bad for Bonaire, not because a little girl was murdered.

hey, Bonaire is only so big - why did it take a month to find her?

Of course, it took two days before the case went public because they didn't take Marlies' abduction seriously. But within 24 hours after the case was known they were screaming about how it would hurt their tourism. Sound familiar????

[natalfan]

press conference at 15.00 h bonairan time

[johan555]

The main suspect in the murder of Marlies van der Kouwe, Rayan Pieters, is now under heavy surveillance returned to Bonaire.

Pieters was since Sunday on a very heavily secured section of the Bon Futuro prison on Curaçao placed. Pieters was in prison by fellow prisoners seriously threatening. It proved not possible to the department where Pieters stayed hermetically be closed.

Rayan Pieters, according to fellow prisoners in the Bon Futuro designated someone else allegedly involved in the murder of Marlies van der Kouw.
He would have referred to Jair Leuteria.

Leuteria escaped from the Bon Futuro prison and is still on the run and would, according to rumors on Bonaire keep hiding. Leuteria was over 20 years in prison convicted of a double murder.

He`s in prison again! where he belongs to serve the rest of his 24 years sentence for murder

Good news were was he ? also on Bonaire ?

[johan555]

"Half-truths and whole lies about Marlies'
By PETER DE KNEGT
 KRALENDIJK / BONAIRE - Bonaire Officer Prosecutor David van Delft on Thursday has confirmed that Ryan P. (27) the kidnapping and death of Marlies van der Kouw last Monday has known.
 
Marlies van der Kouw. PHOTO ANP
  From Delft wild, in the interest of the 'care' of the investigation in no way address the way that Marlies is killed, in what spot on the island and whether they would be raped or assaulted by P.

,, We know very much, but the investigation is not yet ready. What the suspect says is probably not what we know. We still have a lot of things that we examine not want to share with the outside world. In Bonaire, you can do without that little seen.''

Van Delft also stressed that the two suspects still in restrictions sit all alone and therefore may talk with their lawyers. , Who is also the case for us. For example, if I would talk about the cause of death, I violate the restriction. I would not say where and when it is deceased, nor talk about a possible cooperation, in others. I would like to tell what I know, and that is very much, both to the press as to the parents and family, but that can not now.''

The OM is also concerned that any findings yet to hear witnesses could influence. ,, That would harm the investigation.''

Whether there is a sexual offenses, according to Van Delft ultimately be determined by the pathologist anatomist of the NFI in Rijswijk. , Who is going to investigate.''The body of Marlies will soon be flown to the Netherlands.

On the messages in the media following the rulings of the mother of Ryan Van Delft also wanted to go. Mother Pietersz said after a conversation with her son last Tuesday that her son Marlies of the bag and had wanted to rob her by her boggle had strangled. ,, I see a tension between certain interests. There are the last days half-truths and whole inaccuracies told, but ask the press to wait. We are not ready. Give us time. We want the peaceful and good finish''said Van Delft

Ryans' lawyer, Margarete Domingo, may also after the press conference Thursday still does not respond to the statements of police and justice on the circumstances of the murder of Marlies. 'In the first instance, the limitations of my client off. The Public Ministry has informed me today, however, that only happens when the investigation is completed. I estimate only about a week,''said Domingo against AD.

Thursday is also the anniversary on Bonaire trip for Marlies held. The trip, which the inhabitants of Bonaire were summoned to walk, began at half past five (in the Netherlands 23:30) and ended at the factory where Marlies in the night of Sept. 20 disappeared. During the meeting, the parents of a speech Marlies


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'Halve waarheden en hele leugens over Marlies'
Door PETER DE KNEGT

KRALENDIJK/BONAIRE - Officier van justitie op Bonaire David van Delft heeft donderdag bevestigd dat Ryan P. (27) de ontvoering en dood van Marlies van der Kouwe afgelopen maandag heeft bekend.
 
Marlies van der Kouwe. FOTO ANP
 Van Delft wilde, in het belang van de ‘zorgvuldigheid’ van het onderzoek op geen enkele manier ingaan op de manier waarop dat Marlies is omgebracht, op welke plek op het eiland en of zij ook aangerand of verkracht zou zijn door P.

,,Wij weten heel veel, maar het onderzoek is nog niet klaar. Wat de verdachte vertelt is wellicht niet wat wij weten. We moeten nog heel veel dingen onderzoeken die we niet willen delen met de buitenwereld. Op Bonaire kun je weinig doen zonder dat dat gezien wordt.’’

Van Delft benadrukte ook dat de beide verdachten nog steeds in alle beperkingen zitten en dus alleen met hun advocaten mogen praten. ,,Die beperkingen gelden ook voor ons. Als ik bijvoorbeeld over de doodsoorzaak zou praten, schend ik de beperking. Ik wil ook niet zeggen waar en wanneer zij is overleden en ook niet praten over een mogelijke samenwerking daarbij met anderen. Ik zou graag willen vertellen wat ik weet, en dat is heel veel, zowel aan de pers als aan de ouders en familie, maar dat kan nu niet.’’

Het OM is ook bezorgd dat mogelijke bevindingen nog te horen getuigen zou kunnen beïnvloeden. ,,Dat zou het onderzoek schaden.’’

Of er sprake is van een zedendelict, moet volgens Van Delft uiteindelijk worden vastgesteld door de patholoog anatoom van het NFI in Rijswijk. ,,Die gaat dat onderzoeken.’’ Het lichaam van Marlies wordt binnenkort naar Nederland overgevlogen.

Op de berichten in de media naar aanleiding van de uitspraken van de moeder van Ryan wilde Van Delft evenmin ingaan. Moeder Pietersz vertelde na een gesprek met haar zoon afgelopen dinsdag dat haar zoon de tas van Marlies had willen roven en haar door haar tegenstribbelen had gewurgd. ,,Ik constateer een spanning tussen bepaalde belangen. Er zijn de afgelopen dagen halve waarheden en hele onjuistheden verteld, maar vraag aan de pers te wachten. We zijn niet klaar. Geef ons tijd. We willen het ongestoord en goed afmaken'', aldus Van Delft

Ryans' advocaat, Marga Domingo, mag ook na de persconferentie donderdag nog steeds niet reageren op de uitlatingen van politie en justitie over de toedracht van de moord op marlies. ,,In eerste instantie zouden de beperkingen van mijn cliënt afgaan. Het Openbaar Ministerie heeft mij vandaag echter laten weten dat dat pas gebeurt als het onderzoek is afgerond. Ik schat pas over een week,’’ aldus Domingo tegen het AD.

Donderdag is op Bonaire ook de herdenkingstocht voor Marlies gehouden. De tocht, waarvoor de bewoners van Bonaire waren opgeroepen mee te lopen, begon om half zes (in Nederland 23.30 uur) en eindigde bij de fabriek waar Marlies in de nacht van 20 september verdween. Tijdens de bijeenkomst hielden de ouders van Marlies een toespraak

[johan555]

   Father Marlies : No grudge against Bonaire
KRALENDIJK - Jan Willem van der Kouw, father of the murdered Marlies, thanked during the commemoration of his daughter, the police of Bonaire to find the body of his daughter.
 
The brother, father, mother and sister of Marlies during the memorial service (vrnl) PHOTO ANP

'That was the largest gift in these circumstances,''said Van der Kouw Thursday at the end of the afternoon (local time).

,, We cherish no grudge against Bonaire'', he said. Also mother Lily, Marlies' Nienke sister and two friends held a speech during the service.

In the youth center Bonaire Young collected hundreds of islanders themselves to the service for the 24-year-old from Leusden apothekersassistente to attend.

The service, presided over by a clergyman, was very emotional. For many interested was no room, so they had to attend outside the service. Apart from family, friends and island residents, various dignitaries were also present.

The parents of Marlies are already weeks in Bonaire, but have so far not yet been shown in public. The family Van der Kouw has all this time not even talk with the press.

After the meeting in Bonaire Young has held a silent march to the place where Marlies in the night from Saturday 20 to Sunday, September 21 disappeared at the Water and Electricity Company in the district of Hato Bonaire.

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Vader: Geen wrok tegen Bonaire
KRALENDIJK - Jan Willem van der Kouwe, vader van de vermoorde Marlies, bedankte tijdens de herdenking van zijn dochter de politie van Bonaire voor het vinden van het lichaam van zijn dochter.
 
De broer, vader, moeder en zus van Marlies tijdens de herdenkingsdienst (v.r.n.l.) FOTO ANP
,,Dat was de grootste gift in deze omstandigheden'', zei Van der Kouwe donderdag eind van de middag (lokale tijd).

,,Wij koesteren geen wrok tegen Bonaire'', zei hij verder. Ook moeder Lily, Marlies' zus Nienke en twee vrienden hielden tijdens de dienst een toespraak.

In het jongerencentrum Jong Bonaire verzamelden zich honderden eilandbewoners om de dienst voor de 24-jarige apothekersassistente uit Leusden bij te wonen.

De dienst, voorgezeten door een predikant, was zeer emotioneel. Voor veel belangstellenden was geen ruimte, waardoor zij buiten de dienst moesten bijwonen. Behalve familie, vrienden en eilandbewoners, waren ook verschillende hoogwaardigheidsbekleders aanwezig.

De ouders van Marlies zijn al weken op Bonaire, maar hebben zich tot nu toe nog niet in het openbaar vertoond. De familie Van der Kouwe heeft al die tijd ook niet met de pers gepraat.

Na de bijeenkomst in Jong Bonaire is een stille tocht gehouden naar de plaats waar Marlies in de nacht van zaterdag 20 op zondag 21 september verdween, bij het Water- en Elektriciteitsbedrijf Bonaire in de wijk Hato.

[johan555]

Her sister, mother,father and brother

[johan555]

[bastibro]

The main suspect in the murder of Marlies van der Kouwe, Rayan Pieters, is now under heavy surveillance returned to Bonaire.

Pieters was since Sunday on a very heavily secured section of the Bon Futuro prison on Curaçao placed. Pieters was in prison by fellow prisoners seriously threatening. It proved not possible to the department where Pieters stayed hermetically be closed.

Rayan Pieters, according to fellow prisoners in the Bon Futuro designated someone else allegedly involved in the murder of Marlies van der Kouw.
He would have referred to Jair Leuteria.

Leuteria escaped from the Bon Futuro prison and is still on the run and would, according to rumors on Bonaire keep hiding. Leuteria was over 20 years in prison convicted of a double murder.

He`s in prison again! where he belongs to serve the rest of his 24 years sentence for murder

Good news were was he ? also on Bonaire ?

No, he was caught on Curacao the 22th

[johan555]

Can someone translate this ? Klaas or Caps  ?

Thursday, 23 October 2008
Despues cu a haya curpa di Marlies vd Kouwe, 2 recherche a bolbe Aruba caba

Alto Comisario de Witte
ORANJESTAD – Preparacionnan ta continua pa e ceremonia di awe na Bonaire pa recorda e dama hulandes Marlies van der Kouwe cu a ser haya morto siman pasa diabierna na Bonaire. Un trabou tremendo di polis cu a haya sosten di coleganan di Aruba cu a yuda cu nan experticio cu nan a adkeri for di tempo di e buskeda di Natalee Holloway na Aruba. Segun Alto Comisario di Polis na Aruba Peter de Witte, a confirma cu asina cu e caso a bira conoci, a manda 4 recherche di polis pa Bonaire pa asisti coleganan Antiano cu e caso. Segun de Witte asina cu Aruba a wordo acerca, esaki a sosode masha lihe.




“Dentro di dos ora nan tabata riba avion pa Bonaire y for di e momento ei, a cuminsa sostene e cuerpo investigativo Boneriano cu e trabounan di buskeda” de Witte a confirma na Bonaire.

E informacion y feedback cu de Witte a logra haya bek di Bonaire ta cu tabatin un cooperacion increiblemente bon entre e recherchenan di Aruba y e resto di e ekipo. Tambe cu e coleganan di otro cuerponan, manera RST y NFI. E meta principal di e 4 recherchenan tabata pa yuda busca e curpa di Marlies van der Kouwe, y gara esnan responsabel pa esaki.

De Witte a confirma cu esnan cu a bay di Aruba, tabatin amplio conocemento di e dossier di e caso Holloway y tambe nan tabatin experticio rond di esaki. “Esey ta e experticio cu nan a hiba Bonaire pa yuda soluciona e caso aki” de Witte a sigui comenta.

Mientrastanto un parti di e ekipo di Aruba ta bek na Aruba y e otronan a keda atras pa asina continua cu e trabounan cu ainda falta pa wordo haci. Como tal por a compronde cu 2 recherche a keda Bonaire mientras cu otro 2 recherche a bolbe Aruba caba ora cu a haya e curpa di van der Kouwe.

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2952&Itemid=1

[johan555]

 
October 24, 2008, 15:50 (GMT -04:00)

KRALENDIJK - Around a thousand people walked last night in silent march of exactly thousand meters for Marlies van der Kouw from the roundabout to the WEB plant in Hato, where they disappeared on the night of 20 on Sept. 21. From condolences to her family and with the firm conviction that Bonaire wants to witness something never heard about the whole route we only hear feet shuffle on the asphalt. Bonaire ran for Marlies and wept into silence.


The father of Marlies, physician Jan Willem Van der Kouw, worked more than twenty years ago on Bonaire. Not Papiamento he had long been discussed but was more a part of his speech in the national language. "We cherish no rancor for what happened on Bonaire. We remain of Bonaire. "
Reverend Ernst Stutterheim said during the memorial service: "Ask no questions, give no advice, but say nothing, just crying." The Reverend John took 11 to: Deep tilted, he asked: "Where have you filed it?" She said: "Come see, Lord, and Jesus began to cry.

Gezaghebber Domacasse spoke for the Italian community Bonaire: "Something like this should never happen on Bonaire." Lily, the mother of Marlies wore a poem that came from her heart: "... so soft, so beautiful, so sweet ..." sister Nienke Iona girlfriend and took reminders to Marlies. On behalf of Bonaire Italian friends was a good friend Mike who together with another friend said to feel guilty that they are not for the safety of Marlies have ensured. Father Jan-Willem said the police and also to be grateful for the hospitality Plaza Resort. "Old friends that we have on Bonaire we are grateful, as well as the thousands of people who responded to the weblog of Marlies." The love for Bonaire proved it with a pin Bonaire with the Italian flag on his jacket. The choir of the Protestant community did the vocals in the service while Flor di Coromoto choir at the end of the march together with those present sang. Especially the "Grandi Bo ta 'was sung with great emotion at the end.

[texasmom]

October 24, 2008 Solo di Pueblo (1)

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=22&Itemid=2

[texasmom]

http://www.nos.nl/nosjournaal/artikelen/2008/10/24/241008_herdenking_marlies.html

Short clip from the memorial service on Bonaire.   

[texasmom]

http://tiny.cc/7Y4uW


Attempted murder suspect suicide Marlies
Siegmar M., the second suspect in the case surrounding the death of Marlies van der Kouw, has tried in his cell of life.

John van den Heuvel told RTL Boulevard that the man tried to hang himself. Warders would have prevented that the man died. The 19-year-old, a friend of Rayan P. and have helped him in removing traces after the death of Marlies.

Thursday at a memorial meeting for Bonaire Marlies held. There were, among other Marlies' mother and her sister Nienke.

View images of the meeting from the broadcast of RTL Boulevard.
The commemoration of Marlies van der Kouw

Zelfmoordpoging verdachte moord Marlies
Siegmar M., de tweede verdachte in de zaak rondom de dood van Marlies van der Kouwe, heeft geprobeerd zich in zijn cel van het leven te beroven.

John van den Heuvel vertelde in RTL Boulevard dat de man heeft geprobeerd zichzelf op te hangen. Cipiers zouden hebben voorkomen dat de man overleed. De 19-jarige zou een vriend zijn van Rayan P. en hem hebben geholpen bij het opruimen van sporen na de dood van Marlies.

Donderdagavond is op Bonaire een herdenkingsbijeenkomst voor Marlies gehouden. Daar spraken onder andere Marlies' moeder en haar zusje Nienke.

Bekijk hier de beelden van de bijeenkomst uit de uitzending van RTL Boulevard.
De herdenking van Marlies van der Kouwe

[AES]

Thank you Johan and TexasMom

[texasmom]

Thank you Johan and TexasMom

You're welcome AES.

[johan555]

'Co Suspect Rayan P. does suicide attempt '

Siegmar M., the second suspect in the case surrounding the death of Marlies van der Kouw, has tried in his cell of life. John van den Heuvel told RTL Boulevard that the man tried to hang himself.

Warders would have prevented that the man died. The 19-year-old, a friend of Rayan P. and have helped him in removing traces after the death of Marlies.

Thursday at a memorial meeting for Bonaire Marlies held. There were, among other Marlies' mother and her sister Nienke.