Try comparing the 3 videos then explain the difference

[Terric7058]

Try comparing the 3 videos then explain the difference I don't see any



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBoBc-ifDmk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlcIwvHZUl4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stMcuBXyPKo

[caesu]

here is another one clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1M0_2LYTz8

[WhiskeyGirl]

"The most important generation in American history."  Who said that?

[fatcatlurker]

These compare to your clips, enjoy, the last is my favorite:)  I love how you show dictators in your clips.  Global warming actually scares me more, but hey why fret about tomorrow when we can all feast today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4uGUm-Voso&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpHm09J9UkE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFcgr6aoGFY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs&feature=related

[fatcatlurker]

Oh I forgot to mention that it was actually difficult trying to find video's in support of your candidate......

[caesu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI

what about this one 

[WhiskeyGirl]

These compare to your clips, enjoy, the last is my favorite:)  I love how you show dictators in your clips.  Global warming actually scares me more, but hey why fret about tomorrow when we can all feast today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4uGUm-Voso&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpHm09J9UkE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFcgr6aoGFY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs&feature=related

The last video mentions Iraq.  What would Obama do?

The interesting thing about Iraq...from my research, Obama would move the US military people out of Iraq and to Afghanistan. 

Are you really saving any money when you're just moving the place the money is used, but continue to spend (people, war material)?

Are you really ending a war, when you're moving the bodies, place of conflict, casualties, and battles?

Is it really ending a war for our military men and women when you move them from one country to another?

Is the 'job' any prettier because it is in Afghanistan and not Iraq?  

"The Afghan government needs to do more. But we have to understand that the situation is precarious and urgent here in Afghanistan. And I believe this has to be our central focus, the central front, on our battle against terrorism," Obama said Sunday on CBS' "Face the Nation."

"I think one of the biggest mistakes we've made strategically after 9/11 was to fail to finish the job here, focus our attention here. We got distracted by Iraq," he said.

Obama said troop levels must increase in Afghanistan.

"For at least a year now, I have called for two additional brigades, perhaps three," he told CBS. "I think it's very important that we unify command more effectively to coordinate our military activities. But military alone is not going to be enough."

Obama has made Afghanistan a key focus of his foreign policy, saying he would make it the central front in the "war on terror" if elected.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/20/obama.afghanistan/

When will there be peace in Afghanistan?

[WhiskeyGirl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI

what about this one 

This one mentions healthcare under Obama.  With the patchwork of programs to provide healthcare, who has Obama left out?  Who are those people left behind?  Tossed out on the curb?

If Obama intends to cover everyone, why so many plans?  Does the Medicaid program provide the same rich benefits as the program available to members of Congress and their families?

Why not roll everyone in the Medicaid program?  Or, maybe expand Medicare to cover everyone, including members of Congress?

Make it easy for everyone.  imho

[truthseeker2]

While those videos speak volumes, none is louder that what you will find here.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1

It is 16 minutes long, but worth your time.  I hope all will view, especially those who post or just read here.  None of us have to be "useful idiots".

[fatcatlurker]

WhiskeyGirl,

My limited understanding of Obama's plan would be to put more troops in Afghanistan as we draw down troops in Iraq by actually letting them take over: spending their money on rebuilding, putting in place the Iraqi troops we have trained, getting the new Iraqi government to set benchmarks and stick to them.   I have faith that Obama has no intention of pulling all troops out of Iraq until it is ready.  After destroying their country, even if we did remove a dictator, we owe them help in all the rebuilding and I think we will have made a great ally in the middle east if we hang in there.

Now on to Afghanistan I believe Obama when he says he will get Bin Laden unlike Bush.  In fact right now, if anyone is paying attention Bush is trying his best to get him before he leaves office.  It would be a beautiful thing, cause I want that man dead regardless of who does it!  We need less troops and more advanced equipment in my limited understanding of the terrain here and the type of people we would be fighting.  If we continue to nurture our relationship with the new President in Pakistan that we wish to continue to eradicate political extremism/terrorism in the world instead of just going in and doing it we will be building another great ally.  We cannot talk about winning in Afghanistan w/out talking about our alliance to Pakistan.  This is why if we intend to stamp out terrorism in the middle east/world and hold these countries responsible for their own Political Extremist/Terrorist we need great diplomacy with everyone otherwise we will continue to destroy and pay for the rebuilding of all.  IMO

Now if you follow the money of this war, this is a smart thing to do, Iraq has money to cover their rebuild but they are not dumb people.  As long as good ol'US is footing the dime and they are not held to benchmarks they will suck us dry and bitch about us being there.  And this will lead to them hating us more and reverse all the good we think we did there. 

Note   Iraq fact for the money: the United States Department of Energy estimates that up to 90% of the country remains unexplored. These regions could yield an additional 100 billion barrels. Iraq's oil production costs are among the lowest in the world, but only about 2,000 oil wells have been drilled in Iraq, compared with about 1 million wells in Texas alone. This kind of makes Alaska's oil supply look like a sneeze in my gas tank.  My side note to this would be, think about why we do not want to leave Iraq, always follow the money, with this few oil wells what do you think we are doing there?  It takes a while to get oil wells dug, pipe lines running, etc.  many know it would not behoove us to pull out now. 

Now Afghanistan's product for the world is drugs....do the math.

I don't want to believe Obama cares about oil, but I do want to believe he believes in stamping out Extremist/Terrorists and allowing other countries to be held accountable and using money in a different way, by withholding  $$$.  We give and we give, it's time to give to ourselves.  We are lagging in Health, Education, and Science in all regards. 

I also think we are looking at bigger fish to fry in the "World" and it is not a good thing to be spread so thin.  I believe if we stay spread this way you can best believe the next draft will include women.  Not that this is a bad thing, we are half the US population and certainly capable.  We can look at Israel for examples of females in Military.

These are JMO's and how I see Obama.  More diplomacy, more accountability of Ally's, especially those receiving monetary support from the US without consequences, and continuing to stamp out terrorism where we currently are and where ever we need to go. I would like to see US's reputation restored to that of the "Sleeping Giant", but maybe I am just dreaming.

[fatcatlurker]

Now on to Healthcare.  First I'd like to say I rec'd an email last month belittling Obama's healthcare plan, it stated that Socialized Healthcare was only in third world countries.  I do not find the countries of Paris, Europe, Finland, Germany, the Netherlands, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Many of the South America's to be third world. 

According to the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences, the United States is the only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not provide universal health care.

Gee, lets just stay in the past.....while the rest of the world *cares* for their population. With people like us who needs enemies.  All Sarcasm aside now.

Universal Healthcare my thoughts:

I'm not sure why this scares people, if we just tackle the Damn Drug Companies alone in this country we will be saving tons.  Our FDA allows drugs that have been tested on rats for less than 3 weeks for human consumption with numerous warning labels, but will not allow you, the paying consumer to cross the border into another country and buy that same drug at a licensed pharmacy for cents on the dollar of what we pay here.  I guess this is a "Capitalist Society at it's best"  sounds more and more like a Socialism to me only the government doesn't own all these little pharmaceutical companies their favorite lobbyist paying cronies do.

Obama's Healthcare plan would not fit on the budget for years after this mess we are in, but maybe he could get through some regulation on Healthcare charges and preexisting conditions and deductables for the little people.  And make sure that everyone has some sort of coverage if they are employed.

McCain's Plan:

I know under McCain's plan what I would pay for health care.  He has not stated any rules about regulation of charges Healthcare companies charge you and I.   He will relieve our employers of the burden of our healthcare, which I consider part of a salary now a days, as he puts it.  Let's think about it this way.  Do you have any control over your electric, telephone, cable bill, oh sure you can bitch to your Gov'na like we did in Maryland & get you a little 170.00 credit, but hey did your salary change any this year?  Did your other utilities go down?  And did the rate of that same electric go up as you received your little measly credit? Sure you can just change companies...compare with your fellow consumers America very few of us are getting a break from anyone.  And these "utilities" continue to increase.

McCain would like to turn our healthcare into a nice little utility bill with no regulation that I have heard of to date.  With a measly 5 thousand dollar credit per year.  I know what insurance costs, family of two 12 thousand plus per year, standard HMO.  Imagine a family of 4, 5?  If you think because this is handed down to you prices will change, you are dead wrong.  If you think as your employer drops this expense from his budget he will give you a comparable raise (new canned rebuttal for repubs in the know) you are dead wrong.  So let's see I will now have to pay 7 k out of pocket for my family of 2, 12K minus 5K proposed McCain credit and to add insult to injury he is going to tax me more for this lovely little burden??!!! 

Beware Rant on McCain - do not read if you are easily offended by the truth of our history or just want to argue w/out taking the time to research on your own and have an intelligent debate of ideas -

Read McCain's history he is very familiar with utilities and regulation vs deregulation he started in the phone utilities area of legislation.  Don't look at Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac for the current economic crisis, go back a little farther to the creation of HUD which set the benchmarks for these 2 this has little to do with McCain but gives you a better understanding.  Go back to the Keating 5 to learn about his history of pulling strings for his cronies, if you think you count to this man, you are wrong.  It's all about the money here.  Deregulation in a Capitalist Society who pays? Do you think we need regulation?  Or should people be able to make money hand over fist regardless of consequences?




 

[fatcatlurker]

Truthseeker, I'm not sure what you are attempting to convey by this video, this is a political forum.  This video can be taken from both sides to my way of thinking: 

I still have nightmares about "FEAR,FEAR,FEAR for days, months, years in the MSM from our gov't.  And the funny thing was that we had nothing to be fearfull of, we dominate the World with our Military Might.   Bring on Russia, Iran, etc. I laugh at that, I only wish other Looney Toones would.  I know tons of people who voted in the last 2 elections based on fear of our security.  Now we have the "Big Financial Crisis" Oh Lordy the New Great Depression is coming.  We have McCain now stating he will freeze all gov't spending that speaks volumes to me.  So now we pound the drum of financial fear.  Ha Ha, now we began again with major mind control.

Now as to the suggestion of Socialism, boy are we doing it bloody backwards by definition if thats what you think,  I'm actually chuckling over this as I type. We usually try to get the little guys under our control first with a few creature comforts such as welfare(now a state burden) or universal care.  If you think we could move from Capitalism to Socialism in the United States in 50 years time, than I would like to have some of what you are smoking!!  To my way of thinking it's about law.  Martha Stewart went to jail, Enron Fell, nowadays nobody gets prosecuted for these same laws that are already mysteriouly on the books.  All we need to do is actually prosecute a couple of these daytrippers, aka "Financial Terrorists",  let a few corporations fail and we will began to see Wallstreet follow the Law again.  Why are we bailing them out?  Why with such great urgency?  One certainly has to ponder this.  If you looked at my above rants I go all the way back to Clinton for the start, so we are already talkin 15+ yrs.  There was no carefull consideration of little laws changed as we allowed Lobbyist and big CEO's to whore around with Politicians.  They only thought of themselves and their Cronies, we the people did not count and still do not count unless we are major $$ players(Cronies or CEO's aka historical financial terrorists) or we band together and attack in numbers, example-we made sure CEO's did not get big payouts from bailouts.  Yeah than they pissed on us with wooden arrows and Rum. I will not feed into worrying about my little bit of money right now. 

With our current status there is not much room for either potential President to follow thru w/all their big plans.  Of course with McCain/Palin we will get Morally Astute if you say so....Roe vs Wade, 10 commandments on every law building, More conservative Supreme Court Justices, Cutting gov't spending for tons of small programs that fund tons of people who are poor, while maintaining tax cuts for all and giving a few more, smacking around any one we don't agree with in the World and to this end further distroying our good name, potential wars w/Iran & Russia, destroy some beautifull places I have yet to vacation in by our need for natural resources and at the same time cut budgets on any science involving technology in Health that we Morally oppose(thank god some states have taken this in their own hands due to citizens whinning) and cut alternative resources for fuel not on the agenda. Oh I forgot, change the role of the VP in the Senate??!! Now that last one along with changing the constitution to include reverse RoevWade, marriage between one man and one woman, making a conservative Supreme Court more conservative, banning books instead of simple age restriction, reducing help for the middle thereby widening the gap of poor to wealthy smacks of movement towards Socialism to me. You get rid of the middle, you are there my friend. Yippee. 

I'm tired of ranting please rebutt with your ideas on socialism and if you think Obama will take us there and in what ways, I've posted what I think the Republican ticket will do in my limited understanding....if you care.