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« on: October 06, 2008, 09:32:50 PM »

I didn't finish reading this before I became very angry!


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October 6th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
ELECTION 2008
Obama bill: $845 billion
more for global poverty
Democrat sponsors act OK’d by Senate panel
that would cost 0.7% of gross national product
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Posted: February 14, 2008
3:53 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Sen. Barack Obama, perhaps giving America a preview of priorities he would pursue if elected president, is rejoicing over the Senate committee passage of a plan that could end up costing taxpayers billions of dollars in an attempt to reduce poverty in other nations.

The bill, called the Global Poverty Act, is the type of legislation, “We can – and must – make … a priority,” said Obama, a co-sponsor.

It would demand that the president develop “and implement” a policy to “cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief” and other programs.

When word about what appears to be a massive new spending program started getting out, the reaction was immediate.

“It’s not our job to cut global poverty,” said one commenter on a Yahoo news forum. “These people need to learn how to fish themselves. If we keep throwing them fish, the fish will rot.”

Many Americans were alerted to the legislation by a report from Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media. He published a critique asserting that while the Global Poverty Act sounds nice, the adoption could “result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States” and would make levels “of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations.”

He said the legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years he said would amount to $845 billion “over and above what the U.S. already spends.”

The plan passed the House in 2007 “because most members didn’t realize what was in it,” Kincaid reported. “Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require.”

A statement from Obama’s office this week noted the support offered by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

“With billions of people living on just dollars a day around the world, global poverty remains one of the greatest challenges and tragedies the international community faces,” Obama said. “It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty and ensuring every child has food, shelter, and clean drinking water. As we strive to rebuild America’s standing in the world, this important bill will demonstrate our promise and commitment to those in the developing world.

“Our commitment to the global economy must extend beyond trade agreements that are more about increasing profits than about helping workers and small farmers everywhere,” he continued.

The bill institutes the United Nations Millennium Summit goals as the benchmarks for U.S. spending.

“It is time the United States makes it a priority of our foreign policy to meet this goal and help those who are struggling day to day,” a statement issued by supporters, including Obama, said.

Specifically, it would “declare” that the official U.S. policy is to eliminate global poverty, that the president is “required” to “develop and implement” a strategy to reach that goal and requires that the U.S. efforts be “specific and measurable.”

Kincaid said that after cutting through all of the honorable-sounding goals in the plan, the bottom line is that the legislation would mandate the 0.7 percent of the U.S. GNP as “official development assistance.”

“In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that (U.N.) declaration commits nations to banning ’small arms and light weapons’ and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention of Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women and the Convention of the Rights of the Child,” he said.

Those U.N. protocols would make U.S. law on issues ranging from the 2nd Amendment to energy usage and parental rights all subservient to United Nations whims.

Kincaid also reported Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the “Millennium Project,” confirms a U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP would add about $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already donates overseas.

And the only way to raise that funding, Sachs confirms, “is through a global tax, preferably on carbon-emitting fossil fuels,” Kincaid writes.

On the forum run by Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, one writer reported estimates of taxes from 35 cents to $1 dollar a gallon on gasoline would be needed.

“This is disgusting, sickening and angers me to the depths of my soul,” the forum author wrote. “Obama wants us to support the world. I wonder how they intend to eliminate poverty. Most of the money always winds up in some dictator hands and in the U.N. coffers.”

WND calls to Obama’s office, as well as the offices of others who supported the plan, were not successful in obtaining a comment.

Another forum participant said, “Yes, and we should also eliminate sickness of any kind and get rid of poverty as well. Then, too, we should make certain that everyone in the world has equal assets, equal money, a college education, etc… After that, or maybe while we are solving all of the world’s little problems, we can take care of the polar bears, eliminate the internal combustion engine, and, and, and… Oh dear, if only we would just go ahead and do all the things the dreamers want us to do. Let’s stop using oil and burning coal while we’re at it. Then we can make it illegal to be overweight and then we can. …”

One forum contributor said since the legislation doesn’t specifically demand “taxes,” but instead leaves the mandatory “implementation” up to the president, “maybe the tooth fairy will leave [this new money] under the president’s pillow.”

Kincaid reported several more budget-minded senators have put a hold on the legislation “in order to prevent it from being rushed to the floor for a full Senate vote.”

The legislation requires the president to do whatever is required to fulfill a strategy that would result in “the elimination of extreme global poverty and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide … who live on less than $1 per day.”

It further requires the president not only to accomplish that goal but, “not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this act,” to submit a report on “the contributions provided by the United States” toward poverty reduction.



THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!!
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2008, 09:38:54 PM »

outrageous it is.

shame on Obama for wanting to reduce poverty, one of the causes for global conflicts.
better spend trillions on wars creating more poverty.

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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2008, 09:43:07 PM »

outrageous it is.

shame on Obama for wanting to reduce poverty, one of the causes for global conflicts.
better spend trillions on wars creating more poverty.



If Obama was really interested in reducing poverty why did he let the 11 "affordable housing" developments in his district fall in to such disrepair?  Since you do not have a grasp of the facts I will tell you why.  His Syrian-born buddy, Tony Rezko, was the slum lord who owned them.  Tony got millions, Barack got a mansion and the poor black tenents got the shaft.

There's your Messiah.  Yeah, he takes care of the poor.  Right.

Put down the kool aid.  You are smarter than that.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2008, 09:48:55 PM »

well said truthseeker, well said
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2008, 09:54:04 PM »

Spend the time to watch this video.  It is important.  It matters.  This is Obama's cousin and a man he spent our tax dollars to go to Kenya and campaign for.  After the election many people died and many young children, boys as young as five years old, were raped and sodomized.  Watch the video.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ&feature=related

This is a document signed by Raila Odinga agreeing to allow the spread of Sharia law in Kenya if Odinga won the election.  All women should know what Obama and his cousin believe are necessary to win an election.  Anything and anyone is expendable.

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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2008, 09:54:41 PM »

outrageous it is.

shame on Obama for wanting to reduce poverty, one of the causes for global conflicts.
better spend trillions on wars creating more poverty.

It sounds like a $845 billion blank check/slush fund for presidential use.  I have to wonder how many more of these "bombs" may have slipped through these past five to ten years?  How many more on in the works?

Who is responsible for overseeing what the president uses this money for?  In this day and age, I have to ask, "How are citizens of the US going to pay for that?"

"Proverty will always be with us."

Why?  Here are some ideas -

Poverty will always be with us. 

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There are four reasons poverty will always be with us.  First the term is empty.  Poverty can be anything anyone uses to define it.  Cross cultural and cross national comparisons make poverty evaporate.  The poorest homeless black man in Boise, Idaho has more food, available shelter and health care than the richest man living in an Iranian mountain village.

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Second, the U.S. Government definition of poverty is a truism.


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Poverty, that you read about in the newspaper, is defined variously by government agencies as the bottom 10% or 20% of income earners and then, county by county, that income is compared to county living costs for families of different sizes.  The resulting number is the percentage of people in each county below the poverty line.  This is a truism.  Regardless of the income of the society there was always and there will always be a bottom percentile.

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During that five year period when tens of thousand (that number is correct) jobs went vacant in San Francisco, the homeless population never changed (it is measured every year) and the number of  unemployed blacks never changed, even in Oakland which is a 20 minute subway ride from San Francisco.

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Fourth, back in the days of the Point Foundation, Stewart Brand gave a grant to a man with an obese wife and 5 or 6 children, to drive his old station wagon across the U.S. and back (in the late Fall, because I remember his Thanksgiving experience.)  Every city the man and his family came to he was to have the car breakdown at the outskirts and see how the family was treated when they had no money and no relatives.   

Don’t guess. Every city, North and South, New York and Waco treated them wonderfully with food, shelter and a cash hand out.  That is the reality of America…then and now.  We have homeless now we had vagrant hippies then.

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The word, the concept and the reality of poverty is dubious.

http://phillips.blogs.com/goc/2005/11/poverty.html
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2008, 09:57:17 PM »

Obama wasn't very successful at home.  Maybe he should take his funding and try donating HIS time and HIS money to this project.

I don't like forced giving, by law, on a timetable, with penalties, controlled by the U.N. (of all groups) and based on our GNP.

Throwing a guy a fish isn't as helpful as teaching him how to fish; but, our luck is . . . sometimes the guy learns to build a canoe and weapons . . . so he can come steal our fish.



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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2008, 10:01:12 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2008, 10:03:04 PM »

See item g. on page two.  Beware ladies.  Obama and his cousin do not respect you.
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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2008, 10:03:49 PM »

IIRC, it's been a long time...

I seem to recall that many exist in poverty and under horrible conditions due to military and other conflicts the US has no hand in.

Things like tribal, ethnic, and racial conflicts, religious, and cultural  wars and conflicts.  Places like the former Yugoslavia, Africa, South and Central American, Southeast Asia, to name a few. 

I also seem to remember that diversion of aid to benefit the victims of such actions is frequently diverted to others, it doesn't go to the intended recipients.

Not to be negative, but throwing money on some problems won't make them go away. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2008, 10:06:10 PM »

FOBOs (Friends Of Barack Obama):

William Ayers
Tony Rezko
Bernadine Dohrn
SauleAlinski
Louis Farrakhan
Jeremiah Wright
Raila Odinga
Khalid al Mansour

...and counting.



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« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2008, 10:07:28 PM »

IIRC, it's been a long time...

I seem to recall that many exist in poverty and under horrible conditions due to military and other conflicts the US has no hand in.

Things like tribal, ethnic, and racial conflicts, religious, and cultural  wars and conflicts.  Places like the former Yugoslavia, Africa, South and Central American, Southeast Asia, to name a few. 

I also seem to remember that diversion of aid to benefit the victims of such actions is frequently diverted to others, it doesn't go to the intended recipients.

Not to be negative, but throwing money on some problems won't make them go away. 

Good post.  The only US involvement in the attempted genocide in Kenya last year was the interference of Barack Hussein Obama.
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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2008, 10:14:40 PM »

Who is Khalid al Mansour?

Watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8npeYfKI_ns
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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2008, 10:17:14 PM »

Who is Khalid al Mansour?

Watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8npeYfKI_ns

more info here:

http://cashill.com/natl_general/mansourian_candidate.htm

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« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2008, 10:21:42 PM »

Agreed, it isn't the responsibility of the US to abolish poverty across the globe. Where we have helped other countries to fish, such as India or Costa Rica to name two which became popular outsourcing countries for yes - even our financial data support - those countries economies are growing and healthy. As much as americans haven't wanted to see those jobs go offshore we may have a new dilemma brewing with our own economic woes, imagine if those countries begin to outsource to the US in the future for we have become the third world country?

Never say never, some far more astute than myself have been stating this was our certain path due to the two party partisanship that has now overtaken and quite possibly soon will destroy our country.

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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2008, 10:22:42 PM »

Below are 2 sites with more information about the above mentioned bill:

http://pleadthefirst.com/2008/03/06/the-global-poverty-act-and-our-un-overlords/

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=110_cong_bills&docid=f:s2433is.txt.pdf



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« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2008, 10:23:31 PM »

you're on a roll! 

make sure to forward this information to the McCain campaign.
maybe McCain can ask Obama about this in the debate tomorrow.

that will drive even more undecided voters away from McCain. 
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2008, 10:29:33 PM »

caesu fyi, the head of NOW just endorsed Sarah Palin today. The race was neck-and-neck but with that endorsement, Hillary's supporters will stand up and take notice.
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« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2008, 10:29:34 PM »

There are also a number of organizations that have been fighting poverty for years.  Why does the president need a fund? 

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Despite promising solutions inching toward the end of the poverty trap, it remains a global scourge: 30,000 children die from poverty every day, according to the United Nations; one-third of Detroit, Michigan, residents survive below the poverty line; trillions of dollars have been dedicated to end the cycle; yet poverty continues with no end in sight. (Watch fighting poverty in Detroit -- 3:19)
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/08/31/poverty.clinton/index.html

Barack Obama also has a large following that contribute money.  Perhaps they would consider a subscription to help fund this new program?  $5 a day?

Why doesn't Obama and others looks to existing funds?  Why dig in taxpayer pockets again?

If aggression, war, and conflict are not part of the answer, what is?  Diplomacy? 

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A Global Partnership to Fight Poverty
According to the United Nations and its affiliated development experts, an end to extreme poverty can be achieved. Effectively tackling global poverty demands a multi-pronged approach and there is no single cure-all. Issues of poverty are many and complex: Initiatives must address interwoven but distinct issues such as children's rights, women's rights, epidemics such as HIV/AIDS, access to clean water and sanitation, and preservation of the world's natural resources—just to name a few.

http://www.netaid.org/global_poverty/global-poverty/

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According to the UN Millennium Project, the amount of overseas development aid would have to double to $135 billion in 2006, and further rise to $195 in 2015. This would cover the gap between investments that poor countries need to make, and the resources that they have available. These aid flows would then have to be bolstered by fair trade and generous debt relief policies.

The U.S.: Where Does It Stack Up?
As the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world, the United States should be the leader in efforts to improve the lives of the world's poor. Working towards this goal is consistent with American values of creating opportunity for others and relieving human suffering, and necessary to create the conditions for long-term national security and to boost U.S. economic strength through stronger trade relations.

Unfortunately, the United States has not taken up this leadership role. While the U.S. is the single largest international donor in absolute terms, it's one of the least generous countries in terms of aid given per person.

http://www.netaid.org/global_poverty/united-states/

I wonder how giving by individual US citizens stacks up with other nations?  I seem to recall that those in the US have always been very generous to charity.

Giving doesn't have to be money, it could be time, and other resources.

When I reach into my pocket and give $10 to a charity, there is little overhead, no premiums, admin fees, etc.

When the government reaches into my pocket, they pay overhead in a number of ways - paying government employees, Congress people, bean counters, etc.  I don't think the same $10 goes far if it's filtered through the government. 

The US has third world debt and many have suggested that life is on the decline for the majority of citizens.
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2008, 10:30:32 PM »

you're on a roll! 

make sure to forward this information to the McCain campaign.
maybe McCain can ask Obama about this in the debate tomorrow.

that will drive even more undecided voters away from McCain. 

McCain knows.  Don't sound so foolish.  Only people like you do not know.  Don't worry.  The word is spreading.  It is about to go viral.
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