Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #40

[BooMonkey]

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I know you read this Casey..the clock is ticking
Reply to: pers-872227627@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2008-10-09, 2:28AM EDT


I know you are on here reading what is said about you Casey..Mallory told me that and I want to address the fact that you find it funny that you will be facing homicide charges..I guess in your sociopathic mind, you somehow think you are above the law.. and while you are saying awful things about the police and people who have tried to find your daughter (unlike you, you MONSTER!) My advice to you is..be very afraid of the life you will face behind bars..you are despised like no one else..you are going to pay dearly for thumbing your nose at everyone and showing absolutely no remorse for killing Caylee. You have destroyed the lives of your family..you ruined your brother's relationship and he was dumped because of you..you should be ashamed of yourself on so many levels but I know you are too evil to even grasp that concept. Enjoy your last few days of freedom Casey..you will soon know what HELL ON EARTH means when those prison doors close behind you.
   
   


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Yes, that was posted over here the other night.

[nikkibnurse]

I have a feeling there is more to it than that..what I dont understand is, where was her money if she were working as an escort?? She sure ran outta gas alot!!!! 

You live in FL..Are you familiar with any of the areas that are being searched?

Oops..this post was for sandcrane

[JOYJOY]

There is no question that casey is a monster for whatever did or did not happen to caylee.  The sort of monster that no one could ever imagine-does exist. In regards to her baby Caylee there aren't words- whether she killed caylee or whether it was an accident ...her behavior after the fact is horrifying to say the least. I am not defending her in fact I wish her no peaceful moment for the rest of her life for what she has done.  But as for George and Cindy (and I am sure my opinion is not popular), I believe them to be victims.  I know, i know....

After watching video of Caylee's life - it is obvious that they loved that baby girl with all of their hearts- these were private moments never meant for the public viewing but we are voyeurs and what we see is LOVE.  They are guilty of not wanting to believe that their beautiful baby girl will never be back in their arms again, never seeing her smile, dance, celebrate another birthday.....  They want to believe Casey because to believe Casey means they have hope they will see their Caylee again.  My heart truly breaks for them.  In my opinion there is no conspiracy with Casey - only blind love and deep denial.  They will have to face something very soon that will change the rest of their days on this earth.  They will have to face the loss of their beautiful granddaughter and what they thought was their daughter (only a monster remains).  We will never know what it has been like for them these past four months.  I cry for them and for others who have to face the same heartbreak.  My prayers are with them and hopefully their misery of not knowing will end soon.   

Sorry after months and months, I just had to state my peace - hopefully i didn't offend anyone. I also think George is seeing the light....

   

[nikkibnurse]

There is no question that casey is a monster for whatever did or did not happen to caylee.  The sort of monster that no one could ever imagine-does exist. In regards to her baby Caylee there aren't words- whether she killed caylee or whether it was an accident ...her behavior after the fact is horrifying to say the least. I am not defending her in fact I wish her no peaceful moment for the rest of her life for what she has done.  But as for George and Cindy (and I am sure my opinion is not popular), I believe them to be victims.  I know, i know....

After watching video of Caylee's life - it is obvious that they loved that baby girl with all of their hearts- these were private moments never meant for the public viewing but we are voyeurs and what we see is LOVE.  They are guilty of not wanting to believe that their beautiful baby girl will never be back in their arms again, never seeing her smile, dance, celebrate another birthday.....  They want to believe Casey because to believe Casey means they have hope they will see their Caylee again.  My heart truly breaks for them.  In my opinion there is no conspiracy with Casey - only blind love and deep denial.  They will have to face something very soon that will change the rest of their days on this earth.  They will have to face the loss of their beautiful granddaughter and what they thought was their daughter (only a monster remains).  We will never know what it has been like for them these past four months.  I cry for them and for others who have to face the same heartbreak.  My prayers are with them and hopefully their misery of not knowing will end soon.   

Sorry after months and months, I just had to state my peace - hopefully i didn't offend anyone. I also think George is seeing the light....

   

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Very good post!!! And no one will chastise you for your opinion!! That is what this forum is all about!! The differing of opinions is what makes all of us..well.....different!!!

[Bud's Girl]

OK monkeys, I was sitting at the dog park just wishing I had a source that I could ask questions to. Then it dawned on me that my ex is a Sheriff in another city. I placed a call to him and got his v/m, but he is off work today. So, IF he had any information, etc. What do you guys want me to ask him? 

Would you ask him some questions about decomp ... like how difficult it would be to bury a body, then dig it up and have to transport it to the truck of your car, then carry it around in your trunk for days, then have to get rid of it again. 

[Monken]

It's not a matter of income. it's the excitement. A sociopath loves being on the edge, being involved in things that others think are taboo. They thrive on it! They get a "high" from doing these types of things & getting away with it. It has little to do with money.

If that's the case, then that might explain why she didn't jump at the chance to marry Jesse G, which is something I've wondered about.  It seems like if she really wanted to get out of her parents home and take Caylee with her, the easy way to do it would have been to marry Jesse, who had a whole family there who seemed ready to take care of her and Caylee. 

She was bored quickly with Jesse & was already screwing around on him before they broke up. It is not possible for a sociopath to have a "normal" family relationship & do mundane things like
work & take care of the kids. Not unless her man is very wealthy,is willing to go with her on monthly vacations & hires a nanny to take care of the kids! Which is exactly what the woman I know is currently doing. They've been married 11 mos(I'm counting") have a new baby & she's already screwing around on him. And he doesn't have a clue!

[TOY]

From the handbook:

TERM OF THE GRAND JURY

   At least two terms of court are held each year and once the grand jury is empaneled, it will serve for the balance of the term of court. In exceptional cases, its term may be extended. (The statewide grand jury's term is for a period of 12 months, but may be extended for up to 18 months.) The grand jury will not be in continuous session but will be called in from time to time as necessary.

I am curious why the prosecution chose the last day of this session?  Overly confident, in a rush, or so they could guarantee themselves a second shot an indictment?  Just curious!!

This may have already been addressed since I am playing catch-up.  Since the grand jury is composed of laypersons, those who have nearly completed their term would have gained experience with weighing the evidence and whether a true bill should go forward.  With the many twists and turns in this case, you would certainly hope for a seasoned grand jury rather than a group of people who have no sense of the duty ahead.

[Monken]

Hi, just got home! I definitely think there's something to the escort business. I know a female sociopath that was & I'm sure still is involved in this same type of activity. She would take constant trips because she needed "mommy time"  or "me time". We found out later that she was stripping! She would come back home with a wad of cash & expensive jewelry , clothes, etc. & tell all of us that her uncle or other family member had given it to her! My sister always said she was "hookin" & I'm sure she was doing that too, a nicer word for it is escort! All of this was happening while she was married to my brother & they had 2 small children! I really think Casey took lessons from the "one" I know: they're even from the same area

I don't know if i agree with her escorting.  She wouldn't need to steal from everyone if she was making money on her own. If she really did have a source of income, i don't believe she  would have stayed with cindy and george for so long. I think maybe she was looking for something (or someone) like klaas said or maybe knew someone that was in the business and was looking into it so she could jump in.

It's not a matter of income. it's the excitement. A sociopath loves being on the edge, being involved in things that others think are taboo. They thrive on it! They get a "high" from doing these types of things & getting away with it. It has little to do with money.

I wonder if she was looking for money to fund her escape to California.

Sorry SS, missed your post! I'm sure she was planning on going somewhere!

[Monken]

Gotta go again, BBL!

[Bud's Girl]

This may have already been addressed since I am playing catch-up.  Since the grand jury is composed of laypersons, those who have nearly completed their term would have gained experience with weighing the evidence and whether a true bill should go forward.  With the many twists and turns in this case, you would certainly hope for a seasoned grand jury rather than a group of people who have no sense of the duty ahead.

Juries can be really scary, grand or otherwise.  If you watched the jury interviews after Scott Peterson, Michael Jackson, etc. - yikes ! 

[JOYJOY]

There is no question that casey is a monster for whatever did or did not happen to caylee.  The sort of monster that no one could ever imagine-does exist. In regards to her baby Caylee there aren't words- whether she killed caylee or whether it was an accident ...her behavior after the fact is horrifying to say the least. I am not defending her in fact I wish her no peaceful moment for the rest of her life for what she has done.  But as for George and Cindy (and I am sure my opinion is not popular), I believe them to be victims.  I know, i know....

After watching video of Caylee's life - it is obvious that they loved that baby girl with all of their hearts- these were private moments never meant for the public viewing but we are voyeurs and what we see is LOVE.  They are guilty of not wanting to believe that their beautiful baby girl will never be back in their arms again, never seeing her smile, dance, celebrate another birthday.....  They want to believe Casey because to believe Casey means they have hope they will see their Caylee again.  My heart truly breaks for them.  In my opinion there is no conspiracy with Casey - only blind love and deep denial.  They will have to face something very soon that will change the rest of their days on this earth.  They will have to face the loss of their beautiful granddaughter and what they thought was their daughter (only a monster remains).  We will never know what it has been like for them these past four months.  I cry for them and for others who have to face the same heartbreak.  My prayers are with them and hopefully their misery of not knowing will end soon.   

Sorry after months and months, I just had to state my peace - hopefully i didn't offend anyone. I also think George is seeing the light....

   

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Very good post!!! And no one will chastise you for your opinion!! That is what this forum is all about!! The differing of opinions is what makes all of us..well.....different!!!

I did feel comfortable stating this here ...everyone here on this forum seem to be very caring people...thanks nikkib   

[SS]

This is in a chart form and I hope it stays that way for the post.

Flies and maggots also provide an approximate time of death, very useful for cases where the body has been long dead. Only certain insects will feed and lay eggs on a dead corpse and forensic entomologists study these insects, their larvae cycles and thereafter can determine whether a body has been dead for just one day or up to 3 or 4 weeks. 
Time Physical Appearance of Body Insects Present at that Stage
0-3 days 0-3 days Proteins and carbohydrates in the deceased body begin to break down. Blowflies e.g. Bluebottle flies, Syrphidae flies
4-7 days Body is starting to decay and causes the abdomen to inflate because of the gases inside. Fly larvae and beetle e.g. Rove Beetles
8-18 days 8-18 days Decay is well and truly setting in; the abdomen wall begins to break down. Ants, cockroaches, beetles and flies
19-30 days The decaying body enters a stage know as 'post-decay'; in wet, humid conditions, the body is sticky and wet; in hot dry conditions, the body is dried out. Beetles and mites e.g. Springtail beetle, Acari, Nematocera (present only during the winter months), Brachycera
31 and over days The bones, skin and hair that remain no longer give off a powerful stench and smell just like the soil surrounding it.
 
Decay can also determine how long a person has been dead for and in Tennessee, a special research area has been set up to study exactly how and why bodies decay. The research farm, known as The Body Farm, was established in 1981 by Bill Bass, a professor of forensic anthropology. By having decaying bodies readily available to study, Bass and his students discovered a number of factors contributing to body decay. Some things they discovered include that flies and maggots will turn a body in to a skeleton in under two weeks in warmer weather and the face will always rot first because maggots prefer wet places. He has also observed how fast bodies decay when submerged in water, stored in the boot of a car, or wrapped in plastic and that when a person's head is burnt, that the skull reaches boiling point very quickly, causing the skull to explode. If the person head doesn't explode, it means that the victim may have been shot in the head, allowing the steam to escape.
http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/00206/text_ta_time_since_death.htm

How do you figure out how old a maggot is?

Well, you need to know a few basic things first:

1.  What species of fly the maggot is (maggots are fly larvae).

2.  What kind of weather (especially temperature) has the body been in lately (the environment influences how fast maggots grow).

3.  How long the maggot is, as maggots get longer with age.

Once you have the basic info, you compare it to previous research. For example, if you find a maggot from a body is the species Calliphora vicina, and the body has been indoors at 21oC, and the maggot is 6 mm long, then previous research suggests the maggot is at least 2 days old. Therefore, the person has likely been dead for at least two days.

So, how do you find out what species of fly a maggot is?

Most forensic entomologists take the maggots from the body and raise them in jars with rotting meat until they grow up to become adult flies. A forensic entomologist can then use characteristics such as the number of veins in a fly’s wings and the shape of male genitalia to determine what species of fly it is. They have to raise the maggots up to adult flies because, even to an expert, most species of maggot look the same.

Genetics is changing how forensic entomologists identify maggot species.

Every species of fly has different DNA. Therefore, reading the genetic sequence of a maggot’s DNA, will tell you the species of fly. This has several advantages over the traditional method of raising maggots to adult flies:

Speed: Grinding up a maggot and analyzing its DNA takes only a day or two instead of days to weeks to raise a maggot to an adult fly. The faster police can get an estimate of how long a person has been dead, the more precisely they can focus their investigation.

Availability: DNA sequence-reading facilities are common, while fly experts are rare and often far away.

Specimen types: You can get DNA from dead maggots, or parts broken off maggots in shipment from the police, but in order to raise a maggot to adulthood it needs to be alive and healthy.

Courtroom evidence: The type of evidence courts are most likely to accept is the kind that is based on numbers and probabilities as opposed to an expert’s personal opinion. Using DNA to determine what species a maggot is will result in a percent probability
estimate that can be presented in court (e.g., “The maggot had a 99.3% probability of being the species Calliphora vicina based on its DNA sequence”), while using the anatomy of an adult fly does not provide any probability estimate.
http://www.genomicseducation.ca/genomics_and_you/innovative_technology/forensic_entomology.htm

Looking at the bugs on a corpse may also tell you if the body has been moved or disturbed after death. Different bugs are found in different surroundings (compare the bush with the beach for example), so if a body were moved after a crime, the insects on the body wouldn't match up with what you'd expect in those surroundings. Also, moving or disturbing the body after the bugs have arrived can mess up the insects' life cycles, and forensic entomologists can pick this up too.

Other useful info that maggots can provide include whether or not there were any wounds on a body (something that's tricky to determine once decomposition sets in), or whether the person was under the influence of drugs before death (the maggots 'bioaccumulate' or collect the drugs from the flesh that they've eaten, so drugs can be identified even after the body has mostly decomposed).
http://smartmoves.questacon.edu.au/teachers/topics/forensics.asp

Insects can also be used, in some cases, to determine the general location of a murder and even to help identify the victim. If, for example, a corpse is found in New England but forensic experts determine that larvae retrieved from the corpse are from a species of beetle that exists only in the South, investigators know two things—that the body has been moved from a Southern location, and that it could be that of a missing person last seen in a Southern state.
http://main.uab.edu/show.asp?durki=25348

[BooMonkey]

Just an article I stumbled across.

Posted on October 10th, 2008
by Simon Barrett in Society and Culture
Read 3,455 times.

I watched with increasing incredulity as Jose (I really want a book and movie deal out of this case) Baez argued the case to let suspected tot killer Casey Anthony free of GPS monitoring and the other impediments. To let Casey Anthony be able to pick up her life of partying and general irresponsibility that we have come to know. What stupidity.

I don’t have the ‘dirt’ right now, but a good friend and fellow investigative journalist had some very unflattering comments about our knight in shining armor. Baez apparently has a pretty checkered history, he loves the high profile stuff, but, bad news Casey, this guy keeps losing in court! This case sure seems to be fitting right into his Modus Operandi. I couldn’t even see OJ’s Dream team getting this baby killer off the hook.

[anothermonkey]

Bud's girl- I believe that Casey would never have married Jesse.

1.) She could not be faithful to anyone.. even someone who actually loved her like he did.  Not even to someone who wanted to adopt her child that she claimed was his, but wasn't.  Not even to someone whose entire family took her in with open arms. 

2.) He was not exciting enough for her. Look at the types of men we know she's been with.  Partiers, possibly drug users, into "no clothes" parties, etc..  She had a kind of freedom with those people.  She would not have had that with Jesse and his family. They're religious, plus Jesse was a cop (you know- that puts a damper on "fun" time), plus she would have had to settle down and change her ways.  Does this girl seem like somebody to settle down and change her ways?

Some people - unfortunately - have children they simply have no business having.  Maybe friends and family assume that will settle them down, but it doesn't always happen.  Girls like Casey are up for a good time and that's it.  End of story.

[SS]

It would certainly be an ultimate form of justice if Casey is brought down by DNA from a maggot.

[JOYJOY]

It would certainly be an ultimate form of justice if Casey is brought down by DNA from a maggot.

[JOYJOY]

It would certainly be an ultimate form of justice if Casey is brought down by DNA from a maggot.

Amen - that would be perfect!!!

[BooMonkey]

OK monkeys, I was sitting at the dog park just wishing I had a source that I could ask questions to. Then it dawned on me that my ex is a Sheriff in another city. I placed a call to him and got his v/m, but he is off work today. So, IF he had any information, etc. What do you guys want me to ask him? 

Would you ask him some questions about decomp ... like how difficult it would be to bury a body, then dig it up and have to transport it to the truck of your car, then carry it around in your trunk for days, then have to get rid of it again. 

I will, just to clarify, he's is a sheriff in a near by Florida city. So maybe he's heard some stuff! 

[JOYJOY]

It would certainly be an ultimate form of justice if Casey is brought down by DNA from a maggot.

Amen - that would be perfect!!!

Thinking about that she is a human maggot really

[Tamikosmom]

In regards to George getting into the trunk.... If the smell was as bad as everyone says it was, don't you think he would have smelled it as he approached the car? 

YES

It could be that on August 24th there was no decomposition odor inside the trunk of Casey's vehicle.  It could be that Casey did not want her father to go into the trunk because he would have discovered the stolen gas cans.  It could be that it was after August 24th when Caylee was taken from a burial location near the playhouse ... a burial location where the two dogs hit on and ... moved to another location.

Janet

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NANCY GRACE
Bounty Hunter Thinks Casey Anthony had an Accomplice
Aired September 17, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Well, the situation is, she ran out of gas at the checking cashing store on the 26th. And there was a tremendous amount of communication on her phone on the evening of the 26th and also on the 27th, when she called her boyfriend to come pick her up, that the car had run out of gas. And it goes on into the 28th and then it stops. It just stops. No communication with hardly anybody. And the car naturally got towed off on the 30th.

So there had to be somebody giving her a hand at that time because if you`re dealing with a body in a garbage bag, it`s, like -- you know, it`s an awful thing to say, but if you talk to a coroner or somebody that`s handled cadavers, they`ll tell you it`s like having 30 pounds of stew in a garbage bag. And if you have a bone breakthrough, it`ll just literally cover the trunk of the car with fluids. So you basically have to have somebody with you to help you keep somewhat your composure and also to get it over into the dumpster.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/17/ng.01.html