SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #5

[finngirl]

having NO luck using search option 

re an Armin-as-simian post ...
did Armin twice/two times say that he was simian?

or did Armin say he posted twice/two times as simian?

TIA

[Agraria]

Is it possible that "dusted" in the riddles means cleaned?

I am dusting.  Means I am wiping things, cleaning up.

"to dust" is to clean.

Could the riddle have used "dusted" to mean past tense of dusting/cleaning?

Wiping/cleaning away finger prints, luminol, blood?

Just something I have always thought...could this  "dusted" term...(I believe he said "the house was dusted.") refer to the drugs that are now available as dust. You just blow it on one or whatever. We saw it on a show about Columbian drugs. IT REALLY DOES A NUMBER ON YOU! You are highly suggestible (if there is such a word! LOL) and Have no memory for the day at all. I have been going over my thoughts for it but I think it had a street name of "dragon dust" or "dragon's breath".

Or am I just trying to make that work?

[COLOMBO]

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - Amsterdam unveiled plans Saturday to close brothels, sex shops and marijuana cafes in its ancient city center as part of a major effort to drive organized crime out of the tourist haven.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081206/D94T8T200.html

[Poochy]

Colombo,

Shango says June 26, 2005 "DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified (Van der Straten and Paulus).
The gods are talking.

So who are the 'gods' above DirtyHand and Paulus? 'gods' as in plural - more than one?

Netherlands is making it look like Aruba did this all on their own - so is one of the 'gods' the 'whiskered rat'?

btw - interesting post about the DiceMen. It could be this group, or could be gamblers (older men) in general. Dice as in the game of craps. Guido was a cropier.

[COLOMBO]

Colombo,

Shango says June 26, 2005 "DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified (Van der Straten and Paulus).
The gods are talking.

So who are the 'gods' above DirtyHand and Paulus? 'gods' as in plural - more than one?

Netherlands is making it look like Aruba did this all on their own - so is one of the 'gods' the 'whiskered rat'?

btw - interesting post about the DiceMen. It could be this group, or could be gamblers (older men) in general. Dice as in the game of craps. Guido was a cropier.

In the movie Casino the bosses back in St Louis are the gods.......founders of the houses (ca$inos) of Vega$

DirtyHand as stated by Babalu as VDS is not supported by Shango.......

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too. (Arawaks)

Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 9:19 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak

Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

He is the link between the Arawaks go meet young Babylonians to trade

[COLOMBO]

DH=Babylonian

walked in this house of babylon not seeking pleasure for himself......seeking pleasure for the arawaks (comps)

[COLOMBO]

note Mr. Rothstein's last statement here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRK-CQVQevQ

dirty hands

[Poochy]

DH=Babylonian

walked in this house of babylon not seeking pleasure for himself......seeking pleasure for the arawaks (comps)

Ok, so we know kalpoes didn't take a bath that night just to be Joran's driver for the evening. They were going somewhere after C&C, which is why a bored Deepak left C&C before it closed and went to his car before Joran and Satish and Natalee got there. His one PV says he went to his car, sat in it, and turned on the radio. Another PV he states his car was locked and Satish had the keys.  So which was it? Did they really bring Joran to C&C that night or did someone else?

Then afterwards they 'bleep' all the way to 'bills lodging' - a lodge is sort of a hotel, right? So they went to the Holiday Inn for a 'special party', and delivered the blonde girl as requested (they all knew what was written down). And we know they were probably at the H.I. because Joran's initial lie was then moved down a bit to place him at the Marriott. Somebody at the H.I. didn't want that kind of negative publicity (little did they know!).

Didn't someone just post here that Posner had some pals in US government and would invited them on occasion to Aruba? Was this the 'game' played in the great house (white house?) But then something bad happened? She went into convulsions, as Jug said ALE knew almost immediately?

Back to walking into the house not seeking pleasure - so van der Straten was called to this 'house' when something bad happened to Natalee. Joran called 'someone' from a payphone that night. Sander lost his phone 'at school during that day'.

I would REALLY love for someone to check ALL THOSE PHONE RECORDS from when MBers arrived on Aruba, to when she dissapeared and then 10 days later.  SETI is on that island - didn't anybody record any communication from that night
 

[COLOMBO]

House of Babylon does not want a sacrifice
They do not care about Arawak Teepees

The Arawaks are not going to sacrifice a scapegoat
Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:25 pm
The Arawaks want the truth to come out
As long as DirtyHand is not found

Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden
Babylon scared of DirtyHand
Arawaks scared of DirtyHand
If sacrifice is made, teepees are safe, villagers and cowboys happy

[COLOMBO]

DH=Babylonian

walked in this house of babylon not seeking pleasure for himself......seeking pleasure for the arawaks (comps)

Ok, so we know kalpoes didn't take a bath that night just to be Joran's driver for the evening. They were going somewhere after C&C, which is why a bored Deepak left C&C before it closed and went to his car before Joran and Satish and Natalee got there. His one PV says he went to his car, sat in it, and turned on the radio. Another PV he states his car was locked and Satish had the keys.  So which was it? Did they really bring Joran to C&C that night or did someone else?

Then afterwards they 'bleep' all the way to 'bills lodging' - a lodge is sort of a hotel, right? So they went to the Holiday Inn for a 'special party', and delivered the blonde girl as requested (they all knew what was written down). And we know they were probably at the H.I. because Joran's initial lie was then moved down a bit to place him at the Marriott. Somebody at the H.I. didn't want that kind of negative publicity (little did they know!).

Didn't someone just post here that Posner had some pals in US government and would invited them on occasion to Aruba? Was this the 'game' played in the great house (white house?) But then something bad happened? She went into convulsions, as Jug said ALE knew almost immediately?

Back to walking into the house not seeking pleasure - so van der Straten was called to this 'house' when something bad happened to Natalee. Joran called 'someone' from a payphone that night. Sander lost his phone 'at school during that day'.

I would REALLY love for someone to check ALL THOSE PHONE RECORDS from when MBers arrived on Aruba, to when she dissapeared and then 10 days later.  SETI is on that island - didn't anybody record any communication from that night
 

no comment

[COLOMBO]

the Gods-speaking to lesser gods

fed to an earthbound son

[Poochy]

House of Babylon does not want a sacrifice
They do not care about Arawak Teepees

The Arawaks are not going to sacrifice a scapegoat
Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:25 pm
The Arawaks want the truth to come out
As long as DirtyHand is not found

Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden
Babylon scared of DirtyHand
Arawaks scared of DirtyHand
If sacrifice is made, teepees are safe, villagers and cowboys happy

So will the truth come out now that DirtyHand (Jan vds) was found?
Seems the 'sacrifice' (Joran) is talking now, so DirtyHand isn't hidden anymore, or is he?

[MumInOhio]

DH=Babylonian

walked in this house of babylon not seeking pleasure for himself......seeking pleasure for the arawaks (comps)

Ok, so we know kalpoes didn't take a bath that night just to be Joran's driver for the evening. They were going somewhere after C&C, which is why a bored Deepak left C&C before it closed and went to his car before Joran and Satish and Natalee got there. His one PV says he went to his car, sat in it, and turned on the radio. Another PV he states his car was locked and Satish had the keys.  So which was it? Did they really bring Joran to C&C that night or did someone else?

Then afterwards they 'bleep' all the way to 'bills lodging' - a lodge is sort of a hotel, right? So they went to the Holiday Inn for a 'special party', and delivered the blonde girl as requested (they all knew what was written down). And we know they were probably at the H.I. because Joran's initial lie was then moved down a bit to place him at the Marriott. Somebody at the H.I. didn't want that kind of negative publicity (little did they know!).

Didn't someone just post here that Posner had some pals in US government and would invited them on occasion to Aruba? Was this the 'game' played in the great house (white house?) But then something bad happened? She went into convulsions, as Jug said ALE knew almost immediately?

Back to walking into the house not seeking pleasure - so van der Straten was called to this 'house' when something bad happened to Natalee. Joran called 'someone' from a payphone that night. Sander lost his phone 'at school during that day'.

I would REALLY love for someone to check ALL THOSE PHONE RECORDS from when MBers arrived on Aruba, to when she dissapeared and then 10 days later.  SETI is on that island - didn't anybody record any communication from that night
 

From what is in the early PVs, I have alwys thought that Satish was not with Joran and Deepak on the way to C&Cs. Always thought there were two cars.

Dr Phil has requested the phone records from Setar for that night through June 9th. Also a tapped convo between Paulus and Joran. Will check in the morning and see exactly what they have requested re phone records.

Both Joran and Sander had Setar.

[COLOMBO]

House of Babylon does not want a sacrifice
They do not care about Arawak Teepees

The Arawaks are not going to sacrifice a scapegoat
Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:25 pm
The Arawaks want the truth to come out
As long as DirtyHand is not found

Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden
Babylon scared of DirtyHand
Arawaks scared of DirtyHand
If sacrifice is made, teepees are safe, villagers and cowboys happy

So will the truth come out now that DirtyHand (Jan vds) was found?
Seems the 'sacrifice' (Joran) is talking now, so DirtyHand isn't hidden anymore, or is he?

never-too many Arawaks with dirty hands worried about teepees

thinking that the economic downturn may have affected some of the payoffs, or the King has set up shop someplace else:

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - Amsterdam unveiled plans Saturday to close brothels, sex shops and marijuana cafes in its ancient city center as part of a major effort to drive organized crime out of the tourist haven.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081206/D94T8T200.html

[COLOMBO]

Jan VDS not DH...lol

no way

[COLOMBO]

DH Babylonian minion......worked for King

[Poochy]

DH=Babylonian

walked in this house of babylon not seeking pleasure for himself......seeking pleasure for the arawaks (comps)

Ok, so we know kalpoes didn't take a bath that night just to be Joran's driver for the evening. They were going somewhere after C&C, which is why a bored Deepak left C&C before it closed and went to his car before Joran and Satish and Natalee got there. His one PV says he went to his car, sat in it, and turned on the radio. Another PV he states his car was locked and Satish had the keys.  So which was it? Did they really bring Joran to C&C that night or did someone else?

Then afterwards they 'bleep' all the way to 'bills lodging' - a lodge is sort of a hotel, right? So they went to the Holiday Inn for a 'special party', and delivered the blonde girl as requested (they all knew what was written down). And we know they were probably at the H.I. because Joran's initial lie was then moved down a bit to place him at the Marriott. Somebody at the H.I. didn't want that kind of negative publicity (little did they know!).

Didn't someone just post here that Posner had some pals in US government and would invited them on occasion to Aruba? Was this the 'game' played in the great house (white house?) But then something bad happened? She went into convulsions, as Jug said ALE knew almost immediately?

Back to walking into the house not seeking pleasure - so van der Straten was called to this 'house' when something bad happened to Natalee. Joran called 'someone' from a payphone that night. Sander lost his phone 'at school during that day'.

I would REALLY love for someone to check ALL THOSE PHONE RECORDS from when MBers arrived on Aruba, to when she dissapeared and then 10 days later.  SETI is on that island - didn't anybody record any communication from that night
 

From what is in the early PVs, I have alwys thought that Satish was not with Joran and Deepak on the way to C&Cs. Always thought there were two cars.

Dr Phil has requested the phone records from Setar for that night through June 9th. Also a tapped convo between Paulus and Joran. Will check in the morning and see exactly what they have requested re phone records.

Both Joran and Sander had Setar.

About Deepak and Satish not being together, you might be right. Satish grabbed a ride with who - someone in a white jeep?

[COLOMBO]

......but the foundations will shake even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed

[Poochy]

I found some pics of a dude "Renzo" in my files:




Does Renzo look like Freddy?

RonnieNY said Joran was with someone with Glasses who looked like Freddy, but wasn't Freddy.
 
 
Codetalker said 'who's hand is in the picture - it can never be one of the three. The hand in the pic, if that pic wasn't photoshopped, was Freddy or was it Renzo? (dirty hand?)



Could it be Renzo w/Joran in the pic on the right? While in the pic above they are wearing the same shirt...hm...



 

[Poochy]

What always bothered me about this pic is the black area underneath Joran's left arm. They guy in the background is wearing a red shirt.