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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #45
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Quote from: CuriousCat on October 17, 2008, 09:52:37 AM
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Good morning everyone. My question is how did KC get this way? Has she always been this way? Her friends and people like the Grunds say this is not the KC they once knew? That is what I don't seem to understand.
Dealing with a sociopath myself.... my thought is that she has always been this way and was able to hide it from people for a while as long as she was getting what she wanted.....and when she could not hide it any longer she would move on to the next relationship.
Yep they move to another "host". That is the psych term for their victims. I researched this topic to no end when I was involved with this man.
I just ordered the book "The Socipath Next Door". It hasn't come in yet
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But Boggy Creek. I know we've heard of that before the underpass car switcheroo the other day. Was it searched? Is it an area within that target on the map from Dr. Goodwin? And let's keep in mind, she could have had multiple dump spots.
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Quote from: cubbeegirl on October 16, 2008, 11:31:14 PM
Quote from: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on October 16, 2008, 11:27:42 PM
Quote from: JOYJOY on October 16, 2008, 11:18:03 PM
Hello Monkeys
A question I was just looking around and found this......
Eyewitness Leads WFTV To Wooded Area Where He Thinks He Saw Casey
Has anyone seen this video and if they have what do you think about this guy and his claim to have seen Casey possibly??
JoyJoy - just caught up on reading and that was covered in the last 10ish pages. I think we are all up in the air on it so far. I hope he does contact Tim with his info and apparently the lady sighting of Casey was near there too. So for now, interesting.......
Must admit, I would like to see the log showing he reported it as early as he claims.......monkey never take anyone's word for anything - we need to sniff it with our tails and see it with our eyes!
JoyJoy.... I don't know what to think of it.....one person says they saw her with a straw hat and one says a baseball hat....dunnoo....
well.. like other monkeys have mentioned, maybe casey went out one day in a baseball cap and another day with a straw hat. she could have buried caylee then on another day got rid of the evidence, dressed differently. heck, she could have done that all on one day and just did a change up in between. with casey, who knows!
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #45
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Quote from: Rob on October 17, 2008, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: tomm9298 on October 17, 2008, 09:20:02 AM
I have been researching the "rage" that may have pushed Casey to kill Caylee. See what you think.
Narcissistic rage
Narcissistic rages are based on fear and will endure even after the threat is gone. To the narcissist, the rage is directed towards the person that they feel has slighted them; to other people, the rage is incoherent and unjust. This rage impairs their cognition, therefore impairing their judgment. During the rage they are prone to shouting, fact distortion and making groundless accusations. It’s believed that narcissists have two layers of rage. The first layer of rage can be thought of as a constant anger (towards someone else), and the second layer being a self-aimed wrath. Two specific identified forms of narcissistic rage are explosive and passive-aggressive. The explosive form being an obvious anger, for example, damaging property (or people) and being verbally abusive. The passive-aggressive sort might be sulking or giving their target the silent treatment.
They can become enraged to the point of being homicidal especially if he/she has the need to seek revenge.
Narcissistic rage is usually short lasting, but can provoke problems towards those that the anger is targeted towards.
I cannot remember which boyfriend/lover/booty call boy was describing Casey's temper as "horrible".
Please comment.
Good morning Monkeys!!!!
Tomm - my theory remains the same ~ Casey hated her mother more than she loved her daughter and after the "choking" fight killed Caylee on the night of the 15th.
I think this is a strangulation. When someone is in a RAGE - THEY ARE HANDS ON.
I do not think she drugged Caylee with chloroform to cause her death, but something is preventing her from disclosing the location of the body. That could be the chloroform itself will be found in / on her remains, or more likely in my opinion - a broken Hyoid bone in her (Caylee's) neck.
Hyoid bone images -
http://tinyurl.com/5wth9p
I agree, CIndy was the parent tearing down her world. Hands on is correct sir.
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Tomm -- for Casey I'm giving yes to every single one.
And I think it is important to point out -- as the doc on NG has -- that personality disorders are NOT mental illnesses. Now, I'm not sure if the defense would try to use the personality disorder to Casey's advantage and hope the jury cannot differentiate say b/t a person w/ a personality disorder (sociopath) and mental illness (schizophrenic). Sympathy? See she can't help it that she is this way. My response as the prosecutor would be "True, maybe she can't help it, and she cannot be rehabilitated, and she is a danger to society. So there. In your smarmy little face Baez!" (Oh, sorry, guess I shouldn't say that in court!)
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Good Morning Monkeys!
Saw George's interview from yesterday and wow, he's talking crazy just like Cindy! I'm starting to think the PI's are jacking around with them to keep the money flowing. Also, I have been trying to find pictures of Sean Daly wearing a straw cowboy hat and I think there is a pic of Amy wearing it also (could be wrong). The red sunglasses that Casey is wearing I have seen worn with straw cowboy hats.
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #45
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I also do believe it could have been a strangulation or the xanax. I do not think any blood is involved, IMO.
Also this is an old thought I am sure.... but if they come out to say it was a ransom ordeal or she owed money for drugs or something to someone, I would not buy it because if that were the case, why not write a few checks to yourself from Amy's checking account for cash to have money to pay, instead she goes shopping at target etc.
BTW... I did not see anything new on NG last night, has anything new been discovered since then? TIA
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #45
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Quote from: monkey deep on October 17, 2008, 10:00:12 AM
Quote from: goodnmad on October 17, 2008, 09:56:38 AM
ok, what did you guys make of this Paul Kovach fellow? He says he called it in and no one ever got back to him, which may be true b/c I've heard tales of the ineptitude of the tipline here on SM.
Why come forward now? Why on tv? It bothers me. Unless his calling the tipline can be verified and the call was made months ago, I'm not buying it.
A straw hat? That detail seems out of place to me. He has not provided anything he could not have gotten from following the case in the media. It's interesting but I'm skeptical.
Good Morning MOnkeys!!!!
Goodnmad, I agree with you on this one. I am leaning more toward the first witness who said she thinks she seen her coming out of the woods with a ballcap on. Straw hat would drawl too much attention!
I believe him, I called the tip line and Carpe sent photos to the tip line.
They couldn't care less what we had to say.
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #45
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Quote from: flossy on October 17, 2008, 09:49:54 AM
Quote from: CuriousCat on October 17, 2008, 09:45:39 AM
Quote from: flossy on October 17, 2008, 09:40:35 AM
I just wanted to say that I am so sorry that so many of you have been through hell with men who were abusive (mentally, emotionally and/or physically) and treated you horribly.
I have to say, though, that each of you sound very strong and I admire you! I'm glad you were able to get out of those relationships and I hope you either have found or will find someone that will treat you like queens!
TY...the most difficult part of the ordeal for me was that I was so easily fooled and fell for his nutty stories. I questioned myself more than him. He would often tell me I was too trusting and assume someone is lying but I didnt' pick up on it.
I really think that when dealing with a person like that, we all tend to do that to an extent - especially at first, because it's just hard to fathom that a person can be so totally dishonest and deceptive. It happens to the best of us.
When I look back at my experience, I think how could I have been so stupid....
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #45
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Quote from: tomm9298 on October 17, 2008, 10:08:47 AM
Quote from: Rob on October 17, 2008, 10:06:28 AM
Quote from: tomm9298 on October 17, 2008, 09:20:02 AM
I have been researching the "rage" that may have pushed Casey to kill Caylee. See what you think.
Narcissistic rage
Narcissistic rages are based on fear and will endure even after the threat is gone. To the narcissist, the rage is directed towards the person that they feel has slighted them; to other people, the rage is incoherent and unjust. This rage impairs their cognition, therefore impairing their judgment. During the rage they are prone to shouting, fact distortion and making groundless accusations. It’s believed that narcissists have two layers of rage. The first layer of rage can be thought of as a constant anger (towards someone else), and the second layer being a self-aimed wrath. Two specific identified forms of narcissistic rage are explosive and passive-aggressive. The explosive form being an obvious anger, for example, damaging property (or people) and being verbally abusive. The passive-aggressive sort might be sulking or giving their target the silent treatment.
They can become enraged to the point of being homicidal especially if he/she has the need to seek revenge.
Narcissistic rage is usually short lasting, but can provoke problems towards those that the anger is targeted towards.
I cannot remember which boyfriend/lover/booty call boy was describing Casey's temper as "horrible".
Please comment.
Good morning Monkeys!!!!
Tomm - my theory remains the same ~ Casey hated her mother more than she loved her daughter and after the "choking" fight killed Caylee on the night of the 15th.
I think this is a strangulation. When someone is in a RAGE - THEY ARE HANDS ON.
I do not think she drugged Caylee with chloroform to cause her death, but something is preventing her from disclosing the location of the body. That could be the chloroform itself will be found in / on her remains, or more likely in my opinion - a broken Hyoid bone in her (Caylee's) neck.
Hyoid bone images -
http://tinyurl.com/5wth9p
I agree, CIndy was the parent tearing down her world. Hands on is correct sir.
And Cindy finally trying to make Casey accountable for her actions backfired.
Lisa
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #45
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Quote from: Rob on October 17, 2008, 10:06:28 AM
Tomm - my theory remains the same ~ Casey hated her mother more than she loved her daughter and after the "choking" fight killed Caylee on the night of the 15th.
I think this is a strangulation. When someone is in a RAGE - THEY ARE HANDS ON.
I do not think she drugged Caylee with chloroform to cause her death, but something is preventing her from disclosing the location of the body. That could be the chloroform itself will be found in / on her remains, or more likely in my opinion - a broken Hyoid bone in her (Caylee's) neck.
Hyoid bone images -
http://tinyurl.com/5wth9p
Rob, this theory is particularly fitting if Cindy choked Casey during their fight on the 15th. I can see this happening. But what do you make of the chloroform? It has always stuck out like a sore thumb in my mind. A red herring? Part of a kidnapping story gone awry?
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Quote from: mstam656 on October 17, 2008, 10:14:22 AM
When I look back at my experience, I think how could I have been so stupid....
Not stupid at all. Think of it as you needed to learn something and you did.
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #45
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Quote from: Monken on October 17, 2008, 09:50:23 AM
Quote from: mstam656 on October 17, 2008, 09:47:47 AM
Good morning everyone. My question is how did KC get this way? Has she always been this way? Her friends and people like the Grunds say this is not the KC they once knew? That is what I don't seem to understand.
Dealing with a sociopath myself.... my thought is that she has always been this way and was able to hide it from people for a while as long as she was getting what she wanted.....and when she could not hide it any longer she would move on to the next relationship.
Hi, mstam!!!
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Re: Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #45
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Quote from: mstam656 on October 17, 2008, 10:14:22 AM
Quote from: flossy on October 17, 2008, 09:49:54 AM
Quote from: CuriousCat on October 17, 2008, 09:45:39 AM
Quote from: flossy on October 17, 2008, 09:40:35 AM
I just wanted to say that I am so sorry that so many of you have been through hell with men who were abusive (mentally, emotionally and/or physically) and treated you horribly.
I have to say, though, that each of you sound very strong and I admire you! I'm glad you were able to get out of those relationships and I hope you either have found or will find someone that will treat you like queens!
TY...the most difficult part of the ordeal for me was that I was so easily fooled and fell for his nutty stories. I questioned myself more than him. He would often tell me I was too trusting and assume someone is lying but I didnt' pick up on it.
I really think that when dealing with a person like that, we all tend to do that to an extent - especially at first, because it's just hard to fathom that a person can be so totally dishonest and deceptive. It happens to the best of us.
When I look back at my experience, I think how could I have been so stupid....
Yes, I felt the same way. His stories were so outlandish but I believed them. And, like KC, he had details, so who was I to question.
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One other thing please. Will there be a new document dump for the indictment, or will it be for Jose's eyes only?
I am sure we have a Monkey that knows.
TIA
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Quote from: txlisa on October 17, 2008, 10:12:25 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!
Saw George's interview from yesterday and wow, he's talking crazy just like Cindy! I'm starting to think the PI's are jacking around with them to keep the money flowing. Also, I have been trying to find pictures of Sean Daly wearing a straw cowboy hat and I think there is a pic of Amy wearing it also (could be wrong). The red sunglasses that Casey is wearing I have seen worn with straw cowboy hats.
Lisa
Now that makes more sense. I was thinking of a wide-brimmed gardening hat. Then again, maybe Cindy had one of those. Hmm. Good thoughts Lisa.
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Quote from: goodnmad on October 17, 2008, 10:16:08 AM
Quote from: Rob on October 17, 2008, 10:06:28 AM
Tomm - my theory remains the same ~ Casey hated her mother more than she loved her daughter and after the "choking" fight killed Caylee on the night of the 15th.
I think this is a strangulation. When someone is in a RAGE - THEY ARE HANDS ON.
I do not think she drugged Caylee with chloroform to cause her death, but something is preventing her from disclosing the location of the body. That could be the chloroform itself will be found in / on her remains, or more likely in my opinion - a broken Hyoid bone in her (Caylee's) neck.
Hyoid bone images -
http://tinyurl.com/5wth9p
Rob, this theory is particularly fitting if Cindy choked Casey during their fight on the 15th. I can see this happening. But what do you make of the chloroform? It has always stuck out like a sore thumb in my mind. A red herring? Part of a kidnapping story gone awry?
I think the chloro was the nanny. Caylee could sleep through anything, even poker night.
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Tomm - my theory remains the same ~ Casey hated her mother more than she loved her daughter and after the "choking" fight killed Caylee on the night of the 15th.
I think this is a strangulation. When someone is in a RAGE - THEY ARE HANDS ON.
I do not think she drugged Caylee with chloroform to cause her death, but something is preventing her from disclosing the location of the body. That could be the chloroform itself will be found in / on her remains, or more likely in my opinion - a broken Hyoid bone in her (Caylee's) neck.
Hyoid bone images -
http://tinyurl.com/5wth9p
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The strangulation/hyoid bone theory was brought up on NG by Kobi either last week or the week before.
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Quote from: Blonde on October 17, 2008, 10:13:46 AM
I believe him, I called the tip line and Carpe sent photos to the tip line.
They couldn't care less what we had to say.
That part I can believe. I wonder if LE will ask him to take a poly?
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===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
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=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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=> Natalee Holloway
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