Natalee Case Discussion #772 10/26/08 thru 11/09/08

[2NJSons_Mom]

Thanks Johah!
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/11/crime_reporter_brings_new_holl.php

New tv show on Holloway disappearance
Wednesday 05 November 2008

TV crime reporter Peter R de Vries has made a new tv programme about the disappearance of US teenager Natalee Holloway on Aruba and the role of Dutch student Joran van der Sloot, reports the Telegraaf.

A previous show, in which Van der Sloot was secretly recorded talking about the girl's death, won De Vries an Emmy award.

The follow-up show will be broadcast on Sunday

De Vries says to disclose more about the content of Sunday show at the end of this week .

He stated that the first episode of the new season will be 'very spectacular'.

Thank you......sure hope it is spectacular!

[ldstlou]

Just starting to read these and it struck me right away that it is saying Croes talked to defendants both BEFORE AND AFTER NATALEE'S Dissappearance.
Anyone else wondering about that?

No, I believe we already knew that.  Remember Deepak in as much told John Charles Croes he got sexual with Natalee.  Deepak chatted with John alot.

is that what they are talking about though? I would consider that night they spoke after her dissappearance, sounds like they are saying he knew them before Natalee dissappeared and knew their rep?

ok wait...am I getting confused? I thought this was Charles Croes...is this the e-mail guy?

You are confused.

There is:

1.  JOHN Charles CROES, friend of Deepak living in Florida at the time (this is the one we are talking about)

2.  And CHARLES CROES owner of the ArubaFastPhones that met with Beth and Jug to find Joran.

Thanks!! Still have those blonde moments..can you tell? lol

[Magnolia]

Due to computer records and time frames, it was speculated at one
time that Depak may have uploaded a movie of Natalee's rape to
John Charles Croes.  Klass will know more about that than I do.

[johan555]

Joran comes home that night  ?

Produced by: Pink Visual Productions
http://whois.domaintools.com/pinkvisual.com
Owned by Vista Distribution, Aruba
IP Location:  Netherlands Antilles - Curacao - Curacao -
 
Joran comes home that night...goes on his computer & checks out 3 sites:

BACKSEATBANGERS.com
20 SW 27th Ave.
Suite 201     
Pompano Beach FL 33069

Produced by:
PINK VISUALS.com


NASTY DOLLARS.com
705 Washington Ave.
Miami, FL

Registrant:
RK Netmedia, Inc.
444 Brickell Ave #1001
miami, FL 33131
US
http://whois.domaintools.com/nastydollars.com

ALL SITES ACCESS
705 Washington Ave.
Miami, FL
http://whois.domaintools.com/allsitesaccess.com

Bang Bros. Entertainment, Inc.   
444 BRICKELL AVENUE
SUITE 1001
MIAMI FL 33131

[Pita]

Thanks Johah!
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/11/crime_reporter_brings_new_holl.php

New tv show on Holloway disappearance
Wednesday 05 November 2008

TV crime reporter Peter R de Vries has made a new tv programme about the disappearance of US teenager Natalee Holloway on Aruba and the role of Dutch student Joran van der Sloot, reports the Telegraaf.

A previous show, in which Van der Sloot was secretly recorded talking about the girl's death, won De Vries an Emmy award.

The follow-up show will be broadcast on Sunday

Jug is hinting this will be big!!

Thanks, ldstlou! 

[Sam]

Along with John Charles Croes there is Charles Croes and then Steve Croes the disc jockey.

Thanks IdStlouis for the info from Jug. I hope they do an English translation like they did before.
Sam

[ldstlou]

Along with John Charles Croes there is Charles Croes and then Steve Croes the disc jockey.

Thanks IdStlouis for the info from Jug. I hope they do an English translation like they did before.
Sam

if not, my friend will get a copy and translate for us. We'll get it one way or another!!

[ldstlou]

Thanks Johah!
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/11/crime_reporter_brings_new_holl.php

New tv show on Holloway disappearance
Wednesday 05 November 2008

TV crime reporter Peter R de Vries has made a new tv programme about the disappearance of US teenager Natalee Holloway on Aruba and the role of Dutch student Joran van der Sloot, reports the Telegraaf.

A previous show, in which Van der Sloot was secretly recorded talking about the girl's death, won De Vries an Emmy award.

The follow-up show will be broadcast on Sunday

Jug is hinting this will be big!!

Thanks, ldstlou! 

You are so welcome. Good to be back in the cage!!

[johan555]

Here is another very interesting post from Viet Vet on SM


Comment 115, you are very correct Mortella, Beth and the first group from Alabama arrived on the Monday, I was with the second group and we arrived on Wednesday at about 11AM. We were told by van der Stratten to check and shake down leads at crack houses, along with many other worthless leads. This was to keep us busy and not have us in the way of the coverup. We were also warned to not go after the 3 witnesses (J2K) and try to get information from them. He(van der Stratten)was not in uniform but I could see his pistol was in his pocket. Dennis Jacobs met with us later that day and said the same thing, shake down crack houses and the people there but lay off J2K. He also had his pistol in plain view although not in uniform. He and van der Stratten both claimed to not knowing where Joran was.

When we found him the next day at the International School, the police started following us from then until we left the island. They knew very well what had happened to Natalee and only wanted to protect Joran and Paulus. The show of pistols was a warning from them that their intentions were to protect Joran. This is probably the reason the Dutch are bringing weapons, they know. Hindsight is 20/20, if all of us from Alabama had it to go over again, the case would have been solved the first week after Natalee went missing. Thanks monkeys, you have really been on this case. The more pressure, the more results. Great job. Justice will come and then maybe some peace for Beth and the whole family.

not knowing where Joran was???????

[Blonde]

John Charles Croes is the guy Deepak emailed/chatted with.

CROES, John Charles   – was allegedly chatting online to Deepak on May 30, 2005 after Deepak claims he got home after dropping Natalee & Joran off. Interviewed by ALE on 4 occasions, 6-19-05, 6-21-05, 6-22-05 & 6-28-05.

[Blonde]

Due to computer records and time frames, it was speculated at one
time that Depak may have uploaded a movie of Natalee's rape to
John Charles Croes.  Klass will know more about that than I do.

Originally posted by: clevfan
Aruba cops think X may mark the spot

NY DAILY NEWS
AUG 5

Police are said to be investigating whether a porn filmmaker might have had a hand in the May disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba.
According to the latest scenario in the baffling case, someone may have been trying to talk the pretty 18-year-old honor student into appearing in an X-rated flick.

Aruba cops and the FBI are said to be looking to the porn world for leads.

Paul Barresi, a former adult-film producer who’s now a private eye, says he heard about the possible inquiry from “another ‘recruiter’ who scouts South America for porn talent.”

“Natalee would have been a perfect target - a naive girl from a small town,” Barresi tells us. “The recruiter might tell her he wanted her to pose for some modeling test shots.

“The cops want to know whether [anyone] gave her a date-rape drug like GHB. Only, apparently, the plan went awry. She died,” he theorizes, “and the porn guy may have had to get rid of her body.”

Barresi believes the recruiter is likely to be “someone who lives out of a suitcase.” The National Enquirer reports in its new issue that cops suspect he lives in Aruba.

The Enquirer’s Rebecca Mowling and Don Gentile also report that one witness claims he saw three men dumping a body in a landfill site.

Investigators in Aruba couldn’t be reached for comment yesterday.

http://74.125.95.104/search?q=cache:RtAk7rDb1LkJ:scaredmonkeys.com/2007/09/09/natalee-holloway-disappearance-back-by-popular-demand-paul-van-der-sloot-memory-lapses/+Depak+may+have+uploaded+a+movie+of+Natalee%27s+rape+to+John+Charles+Croes&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

[johan555]

John Charles Croes is the guy Deepak emailed/chatted with.

CROES, John Charles   – was allegedly chatting online to Deepak on May 30, 2005 after Deepak claims he got home after dropping Natalee & Joran off. Interviewed by ALE on 4 occasions, 6-19-05, 6-21-05, 6-22-05 & 6-28-05.

Charles Croes: How Did He Know?

It was clear from the start, the Aruba Government, did not take Natalee’s disappearance seriously. Natalee’s family initially thought, she was being gang raped and passed among the drug houses on Aruba. By Beth’s own admission she thought this would be over in a few days and believed Natalee would come home alive. On a personal note, it was in the first days that I was almost certain Natalee was dead. No more, ever since mid-June, I have been convinced she will come home alive and as I type this, still think that she will. Although, it is clear Natalee’s family has abandon any thoughts of that.

So, with Natalee’s family thinking it would be resolved in a few days and the government playing with its thumbs. To a certain degree I think the delay is related to what I now term as “Aruba Grander Illusion Syndrome or AGIS.” It is best illustrated that by the denial of crime on the island, the callous attitude towards Natalee, her family and now Oduber’s statement that there is no poverty on Aruba. Clearly, Arubans do not exist in a state of reality, but that of a fantasy world.

Having said that there is one man, who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:

Author: Charles (—.setardsl.aw)Date: 06-02-05 09:01There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.I wish all of us strength

charles

arubafastphones.com.com

Why did Charles think, by June 2, that there were far-reaching implications? Natalee’s family thought this would be over quickly and the government was screwing around, but not Charles. It seems Charles Croes was ahead of the game. Why? The answer is certainly not that he is a clairvoyant.Mr. Croes is also, famous for his lack of compassion and his down right sadistic demeanor towards Natalee and her family. As seen in the Vanity Fair interview, where he stated:

“They’re killing Aruba,” says Aruban businessman Charles Croes, a former ally. “That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?”

Is it possible to even be more heartless? At least we know Charles, supports the boycott, because he wishes Natalee stayed home. If he wishes she stayed, all better, because we would not want to risk a repeat, would we Charles? Charles they are not killing Aruba. Aruba has committed suicide.

In the end the question remains, how did Charles Croes know this would not be, so simple?

[2NJSons_Mom]

Charles Croes: How Did He Know?

It was clear from the start, the Aruba Government, did not take Natalee’s disappearance seriously. Natalee’s family initially thought, she was being gang raped and passed among the drug houses on Aruba. By Beth’s own admission she thought this would be over in a few days and believed Natalee would come home alive. On a personal note, it was in the first days that I was almost certain Natalee was dead. No more, ever since mid-June, I have been convinced she will come home alive and as I type this, still think that she will. Although, it is clear Natalee’s family has abandon any thoughts of that.

So, with Natalee’s family thinking it would be resolved in a few days and the government playing with its thumbs. To a certain degree I think the delay is related to what I now term as “Aruba Grander Illusion Syndrome or AGIS.” It is best illustrated that by the denial of crime on the island, the callous attitude towards Natalee, her family and now Oduber’s statement that there is no poverty on Aruba. Clearly, Arubans do not exist in a state of reality, but that of a fantasy world.

Having said that there is one man, who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:

Author: Charles (—.setardsl.aw)Date: 06-02-05 09:01There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.I wish all of us strength

charles

arubafastphones.com.com

Why did Charles think, by June 2, that there were far-reaching implications? Natalee’s family thought this would be over quickly and the government was screwing around, but not Charles. It seems Charles Croes was ahead of the game. Why? The answer is certainly not that he is a clairvoyant.Mr. Croes is also, famous for his lack of compassion and his down right sadistic demeanor towards Natalee and her family. As seen in the Vanity Fair interview, where he stated:

“They’re killing Aruba,” says Aruban businessman Charles Croes, a former ally. “That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?”

Is it possible to even be more heartless? At least we know Charles, supports the boycott, because he wishes Natalee stayed home. If he wishes she stayed, all better, because we would not want to risk a repeat, would we Charles? Charles they are not killing Aruba. Aruba has committed suicide.

In the end the question remains, how did Charles Croes know this would not be, so simple?

Johan,  where did this come from?  Link?  (it's possible I have read it before, but where?)   

[johan555]

here is the link

 http://justrepublic.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/charles-croes-how-did-he-know/

[johan555]

his son there :

Charles Croes is not the type of man to altruistically help Natalie Holloway, he is the kind of man who would stand on her dead body

First off, Charles Croes is my biological father(I know his cruelty well)
-Moreover, he is a “famous liar” in circles that know him well. He thrives on any kind of perceived power or authority and will readily craft up ambiguous statements or manufacture situations which increase his influence. The sad part, is that although he excels in finding people to lead, he lacks the basic integrity to do them any good. I would say he lacks some very basic human elements as well. Compassion and honesty being only the tip of the iceberg.
In summary, one needs only poke around his shady and needfully obfuscated personal histories to understand that his comments are just hot air. Albeit super-heated at times.
In my opinion, Charles Croes is not the type of man to altruistically help Natalie Holloway, he is the kind of man who would stand on her dead body if the view was only slightly better.
Adam (ashamed of his last name) Croes

[johan555]

hai bastibro  spannend he zondag !!!

[bastibro]

hai bastibro  spannend he zondag !!!

I can say I`m pretty exited Johan!
Peter woudnt broadcast without having found stunning new facts
Let`s all pray it`ll be a BIG step to justice for everyone involved.

Don`t you think Paulus is busy trying to prevent the show??

[johan555]

hai bastibro  spannend he zondag !!!

I can say I`m pretty exited Johan!
Peter woudnt broadcast without having found stunning new facts
Let`s all pray it`ll be a BIG step to justice for everyone involved.

Don`t you think Paulus is busy trying to prevent the show??

prevent the show ? i think they found a lot about Joran & Paulas and   their "network"

[johan555]

were is this swimmingpool in aruba ?? caps ?

[Dihannah1]

Oh Wow!  How exciting!   

 I need to clean out the cobwebs in my brain, from being away from this case for awhile and involved in Caylee.  But both have been a huge part of my life, being on here for so long.   We know there will be justice here in the U.S.   But Aruba is another story, as we've seen for over 3 yrs!  It's time to pick up the push for justice in Aruba again.  We will NEVER forget or give up.  Maybe take a breather and recharge,  but damn it!  It is time for NATALEE!

God Bless Peter!  I can't wait to see this show and thanks LDSTLOU for sharing and the Dutch Monkeys who help SOOO much in this case!