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« Reply #400 on: November 06, 2008, 04:20:10 AM »

i found this somewere ,rape video's etc

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« Reply #401 on: November 06, 2008, 04:36:13 AM »

Charles Croes...Back on October 8th, we discussed CC...and what Johan posted about Ruffner Page being his major friend appears to be incorrect. He was also discussed in Shango prior to this.

Charles' major friend appears to be Eric Williams who is a good friend of Julia Renfro's.All this was posted in the Charles Croes thread.

Post 2...it is long and I won't repost, but from all I found on this I believe this is how CC became involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1869.0

I also believe it was posted that Joran was picked up near the drive-in...CC's good friend Dr. Carlos Viana lives right there...his son Fernando Viana's name only popped up in the middle of Joran's 6/24 second PV, the one concerning Karen...

I believe that Fernando is the ISA student that left town before graduation...no proof, just where CC and Dr. Viana have led me!

I also believe there was a phone call to this area early on the morning of 5/30. It was posted in Shango that the Viana's live next door to the miniature village which has exotic animals...still looking for a Monkey!

Dr. Viana's business was registered on 5/30/2005...coincidence!

I have been following our friend Charles and have a lot of notes, but don't have time this week to post any of it.Sorry!...

Charles Croes is a major player in Natalee's case...JMO...John Charles Croes...Still looking for the connection...If he lived in Miami with his family, he was staying with some-one in Aruba!

Magnolia...This is Charles' third marriage from what we have found...Also he is heavily tied to the Hospitality/timeshare industry in Aruba...

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« Reply #402 on: November 06, 2008, 05:10:59 AM »

Klaas,TM or Pita...I think there is a site of Fernando's at the link above with his pic from back in October...If anyone has the Haunting Evidence sketch I would love to see a side by side

I don't access to my notes right now, but Fernando's parents' have an interesting New York history...Dr Viana is/was an important man...Still sifting through the chaff to see how far he and Charles go back...NY?

Charlierat claims to have lived near Dr Viana...this I believe was after Natalee disappeared, Charlie's posts...as I said sifting through the chaff...

If anyone has time, please have a look at the second 6/24 PV of Joran's and any explanation of Fernando's inclusion in that statement would be appreciated. This is the only mention of Fernando I can find other than the pic with Jillian from 9th. grade. We have Freddy, Freddy, Oops, maybe Fernando or Freddy, and back to Freddy, Freddy...







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« Reply #403 on: November 06, 2008, 08:03:38 AM »

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Charles Croes: How Did He Know?

It was clear from the start, the Aruba Government, did not take Natalee’s disappearance seriously. Natalee’s family initially thought, she was being gang raped and passed among the drug houses on Aruba. By Beth’s own admission she thought this would be over in a few days and believed Natalee would come home alive. On a personal note, it was in the first days that I was almost certain Natalee was dead. No more, ever since mid-June, I have been convinced she will come home alive and as I type this, still think that she will. Although, it is clear Natalee’s family has abandon any thoughts of that.

So, with Natalee’s family thinking it would be resolved in a few days and the government playing with its thumbs. To a certain degree I think the delay is related to what I now term as “Aruba Grander Illusion Syndrome or AGIS.” It is best illustrated that by the denial of crime on the island, the callous attitude towards Natalee, her family and now Oduber’s statement that there is no poverty on Aruba. Clearly, Arubans do not exist in a state of reality, but that of a fantasy world.

Having said that there is one man, who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:

Author: Charles (—.setardsl.aw)Date: 06-02-05 09:01There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.I wish all of us strength

charles

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Why did Charles think, by June 2, that there were far-reaching implications? Natalee’s family thought this would be over quickly and the government was screwing around, but not Charles. It seems Charles Croes was ahead of the game. Why? The answer is certainly not that he is a clairvoyant.Mr. Croes is also, famous for his lack of compassion and his down right sadistic demeanor towards Natalee and her family. As seen in the Vanity Fair interview, where he stated:

“They’re killing Aruba,” says Aruban businessman Charles Croes, a former ally. “That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?”

Is it possible to even be more heartless? At least we know Charles, supports the boycott, because he wishes Natalee stayed home. If he wishes she stayed, all better, because we would not want to risk a repeat, would we Charles? Charles they are not killing Aruba. Aruba has committed suicide.

In the end the question remains, how did Charles Croes know this would not be, so simple?


Johan,  where did this come from?  Link?  (it's possible I have read it before, but where?)   

Hi 2NJ...The "Far reaching implications" was posted on one of the Aruban BBs and the "wish the girl had stayed home" was from the Jan. 2006 Vanity Fair article. I don't have access to my Documents right now but will find all the info and post when I can get my PC up and running. I will also add them to the Charles Croes thread next week after my DH goes back to work......The nerve of him...taking some time off work and cutting into my Monkey time...
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« Reply #404 on: November 06, 2008, 08:54:01 AM »

John Charles Croes is the guy Deepak emailed/chatted with.

CROES, John Charles   – was allegedly chatting online to Deepak on May 30, 2005 after Deepak claims he got home after dropping Natalee & Joran off. Interviewed by ALE on 4 occasions, 6-19-05, 6-21-05, 6-22-05 & 6-28-05.

Charles Croes: How Did He Know?

It was clear from the start, the Aruba Government, did not take Natalee’s disappearance seriously. Natalee’s family initially thought, she was being gang raped and passed among the drug houses on Aruba. By Beth’s own admission she thought this would be over in a few days and believed Natalee would come home alive. On a personal note, it was in the first days that I was almost certain Natalee was dead. No more, ever since mid-June, I have been convinced she will come home alive and as I type this, still think that she will. Although, it is clear Natalee’s family has abandon any thoughts of that.

So, with Natalee’s family thinking it would be resolved in a few days and the government playing with its thumbs. To a certain degree I think the delay is related to what I now term as “Aruba Grander Illusion Syndrome or AGIS.” It is best illustrated that by the denial of crime on the island, the callous attitude towards Natalee, her family and now Oduber’s statement that there is no poverty on Aruba. Clearly, Arubans do not exist in a state of reality, but that of a fantasy world.

Having said that there is one man, who knew it, was serious beyond what her family did and the Aruba government did. Who? Charles Croes! Reading the Aruba boards and seeing how they describe him, before and after Natalee it is apparent that he is one of the island busy bodies. Not only is he a businessman, but he also seems to have a pattern of involving himself in many aspects of the community and comes off as a know-it-all. We know that he was among the first, to meet with Beth and her group upon their arrival. Charles Croes is a friend to G. Ruffner Page who is Jug’s boss and daughter was among Natalee’s group. Here is Charles Croes’ posting on an Aruban board, that he has since confirmed was him:

Author: Charles (—.setardsl.aw)Date: 06-02-05 09:01There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.I wish all of us strength

charles

arubafastphones.com.com

Why did Charles think, by June 2, that there were far-reaching implications? Natalee’s family thought this would be over quickly and the government was screwing around, but not Charles. It seems Charles Croes was ahead of the game. Why? The answer is certainly not that he is a clairvoyant.Mr. Croes is also, famous for his lack of compassion and his down right sadistic demeanor towards Natalee and her family. As seen in the Vanity Fair interview, where he stated:

“They’re killing Aruba,” says Aruban businessman Charles Croes, a former ally. “That girl, Natalee, I wish she’d stayed home. I hope she’s found alive there. Because no one would care. No one. The kid is just not worth all this trouble, this heartache. Is Natalee worth it? Is she?”

Is it possible to even be more heartless? At least we know Charles, supports the boycott, because he wishes Natalee stayed home. If he wishes she stayed, all better, because we would not want to risk a repeat, would we Charles? Charles they are not killing Aruba. Aruba has committed suicide.

In the end the question remains, how did Charles Croes know this would not be, so simple?


Maybe we should ask Shango?   


I have it on expert authority that CC was NOT close friends with Ruffner Page.  That is not true and if you read some of the comments made in connection with CC you will see he is a chronic liar.  So it's hard to know for sure what and whom he really does know.
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« Reply #405 on: November 06, 2008, 08:56:30 AM »

Why was the school bus driver called the next morning and told to pick up Joran at Lorenzo's house?




Johan - we don't know for sure.  Caps has told is that Paulass, DTKM, and Voking assisted Urine in disposing of Natalee's body.  This would have been at 4:05 when the witness saw Urine and his father.  Urine and the Alpoes were also seen by the Racquet Club prior to this.  Some of us feel that Urine and the Alpoes may have tried to put Natalee near the Racquet Club, but when they were seen they went to Paulass for help.  She could possibly have been taken to the Sloot house.  If the witness saw Paulass pick Urine up on the street by the pond and McDonalds at 4:05, it must have been Paulass who then took Urine to Lorenzo's house.  It was reported to Dave Holloway that the bus driver picked Urine up at 6:30 near Lorenzo's house.  There is also a reported cell phone call that was placed from the bus stop area to Steve Croes at about 6:30 AM.  I put together a detailed time line, but it is still just speculation.  It was based on reported evidence, but like everything else, I have no idea if this is definitely what happened.  A lot of the timeline is also based on statements from Urine and the Alpoes, so it might not be true.

Sunday, May 29th
Late Afternoon – Paulus and Joran are photographed by the security camera in the
Casino, sitting with Natalee and MB girls.
4:00-7:00 PM – Joran calls Jamie Carrasquilla to go out with him that
night. (Jamie 6/17)
After Dinner – MB girls went to the Excelsior Casino where they met Joran and an older 
man.  Joran helps Ruth McVeigh (Whatley 5/12).  Natalee reportedly sees Joran again near the poolside bar where they spoke about going to C&Cs.  The MB students went to C&Cs for their last vacation night.
7:00 PM - Natalee used her Holiday Inn card for the last time (Dave p.72)
11:00 PM - Paulus picks Joan up at McDonalds (Dave p.148)

Monday, May 30th
12:00 AM – Deepak and Satish pick Joran up at the Sloots. (Deepak 6/9) *Where
was Paulus – back at the casino?  Why didn’t he know that Joran left the house?
12:30 AM – Deepak, Satish, Urine arrive at C&Cs.
1:15 AM – Deepak, Joran, Satish leave C&Cs with Natalee (Hodges p. 185) *She was
probably starting to feel drug effects from something given to her from the bar.
1:30 AM – Joran, Satish, Deepak left C&Cs with drunken Natalee and went to another bar (David Kock). *Did they stop for more drugs or to tell others that they had the newest American victim?
1:40 AM – Joran, Deepak, and Satish with Natalee stop in front of the
Sloot house. (Joran 6/14)  *She was probably drugged by this point and Joran stopped to get something or pick someone up – maybe Freddy?

*From about 1:40 until 2:15 Natalee was reportedly taken to the Matty Apts.
Where a waiting group of party-goers were gambling and filming a porn video.
This was not the first time that a video party like this had been arranged with tourist victims.  There was a confrontation with the 5th suspect and someone
Natalee knew from earlier in the week.  Natalee died from severe injuries or a drug overdose.
 
1:50 AM - Joran reports that Deepak and Satish drop Natalee and him at the beach
(Joran 6/14). *Probably false,  They didn’t build sancastles.
2:30 AM - Gardener sees Joran, Deepak, Satish near the Racquet Club (Dave p.103).
*They were probably looking for a place to hide Natalee.

 *At this point, Joran was most likely very frightened because they had been
seen.  They could have taken Natalee to the Sloot home for Paulus to help them.  Paulus
called Voking and DTKM for help.  The adults cleaned Natalee of any DNA.    Val saw an injured woman in the bathtub that had been hit with a baseball bat.  The Kalpoes were sent home to clean the car and set up an Internet alibi.  The other Party-goers were instructed to use the 5th suspect’s house party as an alibi -Lorenzo?  DTKM drove Urine and Natalee back to the pond in his black SUV to dump Natalee’s body.  Paulus followed shortly to pick Urine up and they were seen by the witness.  Paulus must have taken Joran to Lorenzo’s for the alibi story, because Dave was told by the bus driver that Joran was picked up for school near Lorenzo’s house.

3:00 AM - Nadira Ramirez says the boys came home (Dave p.104)  They were sent 
home by Voking and DTKM.  They were reportedly seen by the neighbor cleaning the car. *Probably false because the gardener sees all three near the Racquet Club at 3:00 AM.
3:00 AM – Gardener sees Deepak, Satish, Joran in the field behind the Racquet
Club (Dave p.153).
3:00 AM – Jogger sees three men in the area of the Racquet Club (Dave p.76)
3:30 AM - Joran says Deepak picked him up at Fisherman’s huts (Joran 7/14).*Probably false and maybe an excuse to cover why they had been in the area.
4:00 AM - Paulass picks Joan up near McDonalds (Dave p.102)  Reportedly seen by MB
students.  *Paulus probably took Joran to Lorenzo’s house.
4:05 AM - Witness sees Joran walking and Paulus picking him up in a red jeep.
6:30 AM  - Cell or text message to Steve Croes from Sloot phone in Santa Lucia area.
6:30 AM – Paulus on computer researching drugs/alcohol (Hodges p. 186)
6:45 AM - Joran gets bus near Lorenzo’s house.  Bus driver tells Dave the location
where he was picked up.
8:00 AM - Joran reports that he is in school. The headmaster confirms that Joran was in school, moved cabinets, and went to the medical center (Wardlaw 6/30) *Joran was probably told to be in school as per his van der Eem confession.
8:00 AM - Paulus reports that he went to work (Paulus – 6/18).
10:00 AM – Paulus goes to bank, but doesn’t get money because of crowd (Paulus 6/23)
12:00 PM - Satish reports that he woke up. (Satish 6/13)
2:45 PM  - Joran reports that he came home from school.
3:00 – 3:30 PM – Paulus goes to bank again (Paulus 6/23)
3:30 PM - Deepak reports that Satish drove him to work (Deepak 6/13)
4:00 PM - Joran gets home from school and calls Deepak (Joran 6/14)
Afternoon – Joran goes to Freddy’s house (Freddy 6/12)   
4:30 PM - Paulus reports that he went home (Paulus 6/18)
5:00 PM - Joran says Paulus dropped him at the Racquet Club for a tennis lesson. (Joran
6/14)  *Proved false by Art Wood
5:00 PM - Paulus drops Joran at Racquet Club (Paulus 6/18)
6:00 PM – Paulus changes his drop off story and claims to have eaten dinner with
Val and Sebastian (Paulus 6/23)
6:00 PM - Deepak calls Joran with Guido at the Wyndham (Deepak 6/11)
7:00 PM – 2:00 AM – Joran and Guido are together (John Q. Kelly)
7:15 PM - Joran reports that he left his gym bag at the club and went to the Wyndham.
He also changed his story and admitted that he didn’t have a tennis lesson (Joran 6/14)
8:00 PM - Paulus reports that he took the gym back to the Racquet Club. (Paulus 6/25). Joran is supposedly walking to the Wyndham. *Probably false because Joran is at the Aruba Grand at 7:45)

*According to the van der Eem confession, Joran had been told to go to school and be seen at the casinos the next night as if nothing had happened.

8:00 PM - Joran reported that he left for the Wyndham (Joran 6/13).  *Probably
false because he was already at the Aruba Grand.
8:34 PM - Paulus is on the Internet looking up drugs/alcohol   
8:45 PM - Joran loses his money in the tournament (Joran 6/14)
10:00 PM - MB students are back in Birmingham and describe the Dutch soccer
player (Dave p.7)
10:30 PM - Joran and Guido walk around the casino and play Blackjack for
about 45 minutes (Joran 6/14)
10:30 PM – *Joran was probably notified of Beth’s pending arrival (Klaas 10/24/07).

*When Paulus, Voking, and DTKM learned that Beth arrived it was necessary to take Joran, Deepak, and Satish out of the house party alibi.  The beach story was created.  Errors in the beach story were made at first because the three had not had enough time to refine the story.

11:00 PM – Paulus went to bed (Paulus 6/23).  *Why did he go to bed when he knew
Joran was still not home?
11:00 PM – Deepak called Joran at the Radisson (Deepak 6/11) *Probably false
because Joran was still at the Wyndham.
11:00 PM – Satish picked Deepak up at work and went home.  Deepak told him that Joran was at the casinos (Satish 6/10 and 6/11).
11:10 PM - Deepak claims Satish picked him up at work.  He then went home and to the
Radisson to watch Joran in a pocker tournament. Joran was drunk and Deepak stayed for about two hours (Deepak 6/13)
11:15 PM – Joran arrived at the Radisson with Guido (Joran 6/14)
11:35 PM – Deepak reported that he drove to the Radisson (Deepak 6/13)

Tuesday, May 31st
1:00 AM – Joran says Deepak arrived at the Radisson.  He was with Andre (Joran 6/14)
*Probably false because Deepak says he went to the Radisson at 11:35.  Where were they for an hour and a half?  Is this when DTKM, Voking, and Paulus created the beach story because they knew Beth was on the way?
2:00 AM – Jorans reported that he stopped playing poker (Joran 6/14).
2:30  AM – Deepak and Joran leave the Radisson (Joran 6/14).   
2:30 AM - Joran reported that Paulus called him at the Wyndham parking lot
because Beth had arrived (Joran 6/14)
2:30 AM – Deepak’s car is reported at the Sloot residence (Klaas 10/24/07).
2:40 AM - Deepak says he and Joran arrived at the Sloots because Paulus had called
them (Deepak 7/13)

*Beth did not arrive at the Sloot home until 3:30.  The Sloots were tipped off about her arrival on Aruba.

2:50 AM – Beth talks to the police prior to going to the Sloots (McGraw documents)
3:30 AM - Beth arrived at the Sloot home with Charles Croes.
8:00 AM – Beth arrived at the Bulbai Police Station and saw Deepak’s car
parked in the rear (Beth p. 58) *Was it being sanitized?


June 2nd or 3rd

Man sees someone with Natalee at the landfill.


Does anyone remember who said this about picking Joran up in a different location?  Think everyone!  Who told us this?
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« Reply #406 on: November 06, 2008, 09:04:56 AM »

Now, I will stop posting to myself for awhile...but one more thing.  I am glad Dr. Phil's attorneys think John Croes has some information they need. That has been a real thorn in my side for a while.  If you notice they are asking him to "produce certain relevant documents at the deposition". 

All I can say is 'bout darn time!!  I thought I would never see anyone ask him to do this...now let's think about this.  How do they know he ever had/has something they want to see?  (rhetorical question there) 
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« Reply #407 on: November 06, 2008, 09:29:55 AM »



Does anyone remember who said this about picking Joran up in a different location?  Think everyone!  Who told us this?
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« Reply #408 on: November 06, 2008, 09:38:51 AM »

Oh Wow!  How exciting!   

 I need to clean out the cobwebs in my brain, from being away from this case for awhile and involved in Caylee.  But both have been a huge part of my life, being on here for so long.   We know there will be justice here in the U.S.   But Aruba is another story, as we've seen for over 3 yrs!  It's time to pick up the push for justice in Aruba again.  We will NEVER forget or give up.  Maybe take a breather and recharge,  but damn it!  It is time for NATALEE!

God Bless Peter!  I can't wait to see this show and thanks LDSTLOU for sharing and the Dutch Monkeys who help SOOO much in this case!



O/T, but Ironic,  I just hit my 4000'th post in the Natalee thread and it's been months since being here.  I pray the answer comes for her BEFORE my 5000th!   

Hi Dihanna!!
I hope so too!!
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« Reply #409 on: November 06, 2008, 10:06:46 AM »

Peter has been saying for a long time now that he is going to expose Paulass.  I hope this new episode will accomplish this.  I wonder if it will include information about Manserat Pond and the witness.  Caps knows what is going on, but where is he?  I am wondering if Jossy held off from publishing Parts 3, 4, and 5 in Diario because Peter will be providing the information in his new episode.  Caps, where are you?  We need some information.

When this program is shown in the Netherlands, what time will it be for us here in the US?  Will the Dutch posters please, please tell us what is happening as the program airs?  I do hope that Peter's new program is aired in the US like the other one was.

I was just trying to figure that out!!! lol
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« Reply #410 on: November 06, 2008, 10:25:05 AM »

Peter has been saying for a long time now that he is going to expose Paulass.  I hope this new episode will accomplish this.  I wonder if it will include information about Manserat Pond and the witness.  Caps knows what is going on, but where is he?  I am wondering if Jossy held off from publishing Parts 3, 4, and 5 in Diario because Peter will be providing the information in his new episode.  Caps, where are you?  We need some information.

When this program is shown in the Netherlands, what time will it be for us here in the US?  Will the Dutch posters please, please tell us what is happening as the program airs?  I do hope that Peter's new program is aired in the US like the other one was.

I was just trying to figure that out!!! lol

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« Reply #411 on: November 06, 2008, 11:02:28 AM »

probably already mentioned.

but Peter R. de Vries said in yesterday's RTL Boulevard that Sunday's broadcast will be primarly focus on 'new facts' about Paul van der Sloot.

 

(i tried to find that photo where Peter R. is staring down PvdS at the Pauw/Witteman show)
i can't wait for Peter R. to tear him apart. he must be sweating bucket loads right now as we speak.

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« Reply #412 on: November 06, 2008, 11:29:16 AM »

On radio 3 here  :

The show will be devastating for both Joran and Paul.
The show will be devastating for both Joran and Paul.
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« Reply #413 on: November 06, 2008, 11:33:28 AM »

GOOD !!

it's a extra long broadcast.
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« Reply #415 on: November 06, 2008, 11:43:06 AM »

Poor Joran....poor Paulus...I wonder if he's sweating yet?  Hmmm.  Yep, I can't wait if what I have heard is true.  I am just hoping that someone here in the American Media can get over the election info and put something out there about this stuff next week...apparently no one wants to stir the pot any longer on the Natalee story. 
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« Reply #416 on: November 06, 2008, 11:44:26 AM »

On radio 3 here  :

The show will be devastating for both Joran and Paul.
The show will be devastating for both Joran and Paul.

I am hoping that someone will take some action once this show airs.  It will be up to the Dutch to make that move...what do you think? 
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« Reply #417 on: November 06, 2008, 11:48:00 AM »

On radio 3 here  :

The show will be devastating for both Joran and Paul.
The show will be devastating for both Joran and Paul.



Superb! Shout out to Johan, Bastibro, Caesu and our other Dutch friends, thanks for keeping us informed!
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« Reply #418 on: November 06, 2008, 11:50:33 AM »

On radio 3 here  :

The show will be devastating for both Joran and Paul.
The show will be devastating for both Joran and Paul.

I am hoping that someone will take some action once this show airs.  It will be up to the Dutch to make that move...what do you think? 


If Peter connects Paulus to illegal or otherwise blackmailable ties, such as pimping, to judges and government officials I don't see how Holland wouldn't be forced to act, Lalas.
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« Reply #419 on: November 06, 2008, 11:52:04 AM »

Poor Joran....poor Paulus...I wonder if he's sweating yet?  Hmmm.  Yep, I can't wait if what I have heard is true.  I am just hoping that someone here in the American Media can get over the election info and put something out there about this stuff next week...apparently no one wants to stir the pot any longer on the Natalee story. 


He must be sweating, the Sloot lawyer is threatening a lawsuit right before Peter's air date.
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