Natalee Case Discussion #772 10/26/08 thru 11/09/08

[ldstlou]

Peter DeVries Interview, note NEW WITNESS!!! 

The interview.

What does this say about Joran as a person?

From my point of view this says about Joran that he is a person without conscience. Who doesn't care one bit about the people around him, that he only goes for his own gain. It's I, me and myself when it comes to Joran. A selfish and narcisstic personality.

Based on what are you saying he's telling the truth and not bluffing?
Well, the reason I think he's telling the truth is that he's done serious & concrete preparations, he had businesscards made which made it look like he's the manager of a modeling agency, he made an effort, he received us…that would all be a bit much if he was just bluffing. Of course he will say again he was bluffing and that it wasn't serious because that it his only way out in this case but we've been busy with him for months and it's my impression that this was suppose to be the new career of Joran.

What can be done judicial?
What could be done judicial shouldn't be asked to me, you could ask the Thai authorities or the Dutch department of justice. I've supplied the material and what a judge can & will do about it is not up to me.

But you've supplied the material with a goal, right? You want to put him behind bars one way or the other?
It's not my goal to put someone behind bars. It's my goal to point out what someone is doing. I've done that in the case of Natalee Holloway and I'm doing that again now. It's not up to me but for others to decide whether or not someone is convicted to prison, a fine or whatever because of that.

He also expressed threats right?
Yes.

What did he say? How do you feel?
Well, he was still chatting with his so called partner while it was already known, via the promo on SBS6, that there would be a new broadcast. Joran had heard about that in Thailand and he said then I've had enough of that De Vries and I will send a Thai towards him soon. I don't care what it will cost. Then it's done.
I find that a very meaningful expression for a 21 year old young man who apparently thinks that the problems in his life should be solved this way. And then I immediately think about Natalee Holloway. Then I start to think if he had a problem with that as well what needed to be solved? That people start thinking that way is something he does himself. I find it quite something.

He wants you dead?
I don't doubt for a second that would be very handy for him.

The case of Natalee Holloway. You're also coming with a new witness right?
The witness we have is a girl that was, until this week, a friend of Joran. That was at his home, knew his parents, someone he confided in occasionally the last two years, whom he has told – revealed certain things. She has made a detailed statement now as well. First with us and through us she also went to the police. They have interrogated her thoroughly as well.

And that statement agrees with the story he told Patrick van der Eem earlier?
That runs paralell with the story he told Patrick van der Eem, yes.

That whole scenario has also been put out to a couple of experts. What's their conclusion?
The conclusion of these forensic experts, after seeing the footage – also the footage we haven't aired, is that the confession of Joran is authentic. And that possibly certain things are missing on certain aspects or distorted for reasons that were handy for him to protect someone else but at the core – the general story of his confession is authentic and that there is no real reason to doubt that.

[ldstlou]

Peter DeVries Interview, note NEW WITNESS!!! 

The interview.

What does this say about Joran as a person?

From my point of view this says about Joran that he is a person without conscience. Who doesn't care one bit about the people around him, that he only goes for his own gain. It's I, me and myself when it comes to Joran. A selfish and narcisstic personality.

Based on what are you saying he's telling the truth and not bluffing?
Well, the reason I think he's telling the truth is that he's done serious & concrete preparations, he had businesscards made which made it look like he's the manager of a modeling agency, he made an effort, he received us…that would all be a bit much if he was just bluffing. Of course he will say again he was bluffing and that it wasn't serious because that it his only way out in this case but we've been busy with him for months and it's my impression that this was suppose to be the new career of Joran.

What can be done judicial?
What could be done judicial shouldn't be asked to me, you could ask the Thai authorities or the Dutch department of justice. I've supplied the material and what a judge can & will do about it is not up to me.

But you've supplied the material with a goal, right? You want to put him behind bars one way or the other?
It's not my goal to put someone behind bars. It's my goal to point out what someone is doing. I've done that in the case of Natalee Holloway and I'm doing that again now. It's not up to me but for others to decide whether or not someone is convicted to prison, a fine or whatever because of that.

He also expressed threats right?
Yes.

What did he say? How do you feel?
Well, he was still chatting with his so called partner while it was already known, via the promo on SBS6, that there would be a new broadcast. Joran had heard about that in Thailand and he said then I've had enough of that De Vries and I will send a Thai towards him soon. I don't care what it will cost. Then it's done.
I find that a very meaningful expression for a 21 year old young man who apparently thinks that the problems in his life should be solved this way. And then I immediately think about Natalee Holloway. Then I start to think if he had a problem with that as well what needed to be solved? That people start thinking that way is something he does himself. I find it quite something.

He wants you dead?
I don't doubt for a second that would be very handy for him.

The case of Natalee Holloway. You're also coming with a new witness right?
The witness we have is a girl that was, until this week, a friend of Joran. That was at his home, knew his parents, someone he confided in occasionally the last two years, whom he has told – revealed certain things. She has made a detailed statement now as well. First with us and through us she also went to the police. They have interrogated her thoroughly as well.

And that statement agrees with the story he told Patrick van der Eem earlier?
That runs paralell with the story he told Patrick van der Eem, yes.

That whole scenario has also been put out to a couple of experts. What's their conclusion?
The conclusion of these forensic experts, after seeing the footage – also the footage we haven't aired, is that the confession of Joran is authentic. And that possibly certain things are missing on certain aspects or distorted for reasons that were handy for him to protect someone else but at the core – the general story of his confession is authentic and that there is no real reason to doubt that.

What do you think guys? Melody?

[klaasend]

Sounds like Melody to me.

[EURobert]

Peter DeVries Interview, note NEW WITNESS!!! 

...

The case of Natalee Holloway. You're also coming with a new witness right?
The witness we have is a girl that was, until this week, a friend of Joran. That was at his home, knew his parents, someone he confided in occasionally the last two years, whom he has told – revealed certain things. She has made a detailed statement now as well. First with us and through us she also went to the police. They have interrogated her thoroughly as well.

And that statement agrees with the story he told Patrick van der Eem earlier?
That runs paralell with the story he told Patrick van der Eem, yes.

That whole scenario has also been put out to a couple of experts. What's their conclusion?
The conclusion of these forensic experts, after seeing the footage – also the footage we haven't aired, is that the confession of Joran is authentic. And that possibly certain things are missing on certain aspects or distorted for reasons that were handy for him to protect someone else but at the core – the general story of his confession is authentic and that there is no real reason to doubt that.

Interesting stuff about this new witness! But I don't understand the last piece completely: what confession; not about Natalee Holloway I guess?

Oh... PRdV is on SBS6 Hart van Nederland now; the same stuff we saw earlier today (the above interview a.o.).

[EURobert]

From SBS6 Hart van Nederland:

A women-traffic-expert coments and a.o. says: Joran lured these girls with the promise of a dance education in Holland.

The public is angry and wants him punished. "He's SICK!"

A member of parlement wants to hear what the minister of justice has to say about this.

[johan555]

DeVries claims to have spoken with one of Joran's former girlfriends who apparently has something interesting to say
karen the porn actress ?

[johan555]

peter is now on tv 3

[klaasend]

DeVries claims to have spoken with one of Joran's former girlfriends who apparently has something interesting to say
karen the porn actress ?

Did Peter say Karen?  That would be Karen Martinez the one that initially was going to say that Joran had drugged her without her knowning but recanted after Joran's defense team got to her. 

[klaasend]

DeVries claims to have spoken with one of Joran's former girlfriends who apparently has something interesting to say
karen the porn actress ?

Did Peter say Karen?  That would be Karen Martinez the one that initially was going to say that Joran had drugged her without her knowning but recanted after Joran's defense team got to her. 

[johan555]

DeVries claims to have spoken with one of Joran's former girlfriends who apparently has something interesting to say
karen the porn actress ?

Did Peter say Karen?  That would be Karen Martinez the one that initially was going to say that Joran had drugged her without her knowning but recanted after Joran's defense team got to her. 

i don't know if Peter say Karen
she is often with him now 

[klaasend]

DeVries claims to have spoken with one of Joran's former girlfriends who apparently has something interesting to say
karen the porn actress ?

Did Peter say Karen?  That would be Karen Martinez the one that initially was going to say that Joran had drugged her without her knowning but recanted after Joran's defense team got to her. 

i don't know if Peter say Karen
she is often with him now 

Yes, the family likes to share.  It appears that Karen hangs around alot with Valentijn now 

[caesu]

From SBS6 Hart van Nederland:

A women-traffic-expert coments and a.o. says: Joran lured these girls with the promise of a dance education in Holland.

The public is angry and wants him punished. "He's SICK!"

A member of parlement wants to hear what the minister of justice has to say about this.

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/item/15284/Joran_opnieuw_in_de_fout

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/item/15285/Joran_ego_stisch

[MumInOhio]

Anyone have the "I came here first" post from RWV from a few months back, which we thought was Melody...the one where she mentions a reporter?   TIA

[johan555]

Network  now on TV 

[MumInOhio]

From SBS6 Hart van Nederland:

A women-traffic-expert coments and a.o. says: Joran lured these girls with the promise of a dance education in Holland.

The public is angry and wants him punished. "He's SICK!"

A member of parlement wants to hear what the minister of justice has to say about this.

Thanks EURobert...I believe this has been alluded to in Shango as the trap set for Natalee...Dance!...Pretty sure that is what COLOMBO was trying to tell me

Now who is related to dancers in Aruba? A friend of Joran's? Another a friend of Paulus IMO...

[caesu]

Network  now on TV 

watch it live: http://www.omroep.nl/live/tvlive/ned2-live.asx (windows media player)

[always 1]

HELEN BECK, I was just thinking about you.   Heloo!!!

[EURobert]

The Netwerk-item wasn't very long; some old stuff and some new.

Peter says that already while driving with Patrick Joran suggested to bring in some girls to work for him / them; these images weren't aired.

He now says - contrary to this mornings interview - that he doesn't know if these things are punishable in the NL's but he thinks that in Thailand there now is a political will to do something about these ambitious foreigners who want to trade in Thai women.

[johan555]

a shot lol 

[texasmom]

Thanks to all Monkeys for bringing information and links in today!  

This is all just very sickening!