Natalee Case Discussion #772 10/26/08 thru 11/09/08

[johan555]

[Helen Back]

HELEN BECK, I was just thinking about you.   Heloo!!!

Hey Always and everyone,

I'm here every day....just don't post.  This is great news about Peter's show.  I'm here every day for sweet Nat, and will be until she gets some resolution. 

Thanks for the shout.

[johan555]

[sharon]

Doesn't look like Melody or Karen M.

[johan555]

Doesn't look like Melody or Karen M.

no lol !    she is a bit older 

[bastibro]

Aruba premiere 

This weekend Aruba gets the premiere of the documentary "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines "where filmster Renee Gielen has worked on for years.
The show, according to her leaves a completely different picture than hitherto was shown in Aruba disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway.
On the basis of witness statements and documents, she created a story that, according to Gielen, is an eyeopener "a high-profile case which has held the world busy for 3.5 years."

In the documentary she highlighted the part of the Holloway family. "One side may also affects the political relationship between the United States and the Netherlands," she said earlier this year.
Joran van der Sloot would not be central in the film.
The show of Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines "is tomorrow night at half past seven at night TeleAdapt on Aruba.
The documentary is also shown on Curacao and Bonaire via Channel 13 of TDS. Gielen Tuesday let the worldwide release of the DVD of the film take place in the Netherlands.

[johan555]

Aruba premiere 

This weekend Aruba gets the premiere of the documentary "Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines "where filmster Renee Gielen has worked on for years.
The show, according to her leaves a completely different picture than hitherto was shown in Aruba disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway.
On the basis of witness statements and documents, she created a story that, according to Gielen, is an eyeopener "a high-profile case which has held the world busy for 3.5 years."

In the documentary she highlighted the part of the Holloway family. "One side may also affects the political relationship between the United States and the Netherlands," she said earlier this year.
Joran van der Sloot would not be central in the film.
The show of Natalee, The Unrevealed Time Lines "is tomorrow night at half past seven at night TeleAdapt on Aruba.
The documentary is also shown on Curacao and Bonaire via Channel 13 of TDS. Gielen Tuesday let the worldwide release of the DVD of the film take place in the Netherlands.

ga je kijken dan bastibro ?
ben benieuwd naar al het "beloofde" evidence 

[johan555]

at what time ?

i don;t see it on saturday 

http://www.telearuba.aw/

[bastibro]

On to the next episode of . . .

made by "The happy Hooker" Renee Gielen

[Lala'sMom]

Peter DeVries Interview, note NEW WITNESS!!! 

The interview.

What does this say about Joran as a person?

From my point of view this says about Joran that he is a person without conscience. Who doesn't care one bit about the people around him, that he only goes for his own gain. It's I, me and myself when it comes to Joran. A selfish and narcisstic personality.

Based on what are you saying he's telling the truth and not bluffing?
Well, the reason I think he's telling the truth is that he's done serious & concrete preparations, he had businesscards made which made it look like he's the manager of a modeling agency, he made an effort, he received us…that would all be a bit much if he was just bluffing. Of course he will say again he was bluffing and that it wasn't serious because that it his only way out in this case but we've been busy with him for months and it's my impression that this was suppose to be the new career of Joran.

What can be done judicial?
What could be done judicial shouldn't be asked to me, you could ask the Thai authorities or the Dutch department of justice. I've supplied the material and what a judge can & will do about it is not up to me.

But you've supplied the material with a goal, right? You want to put him behind bars one way or the other?
It's not my goal to put someone behind bars. It's my goal to point out what someone is doing. I've done that in the case of Natalee Holloway and I'm doing that again now. It's not up to me but for others to decide whether or not someone is convicted to prison, a fine or whatever because of that.

He also expressed threats right?
Yes.

What did he say? How do you feel?
Well, he was still chatting with his so called partner while it was already known, via the promo on SBS6, that there would be a new broadcast. Joran had heard about that in Thailand and he said then I've had enough of that De Vries and I will send a Thai towards him soon. I don't care what it will cost. Then it's done.
I find that a very meaningful expression for a 21 year old young man who apparently thinks that the problems in his life should be solved this way. And then I immediately think about Natalee Holloway. Then I start to think if he had a problem with that as well what needed to be solved? That people start thinking that way is something he does himself. I find it quite something.

He wants you dead?
I don't doubt for a second that would be very handy for him.

The case of Natalee Holloway. You're also coming with a new witness right?
The witness we have is a girl that was, until this week, a friend of Joran. That was at his home, knew his parents, someone he confided in occasionally the last two years, whom he has told – revealed certain things. She has made a detailed statement now as well. First with us and through us she also went to the police. They have interrogated her thoroughly as well.

And that statement agrees with the story he told Patrick van der Eem earlier?
That runs paralell with the story he told Patrick van der Eem, yes.

That whole scenario has also been put out to a couple of experts. What's their conclusion?
The conclusion of these forensic experts, after seeing the footage – also the footage we haven't aired, is that the confession of Joran is authentic. And that possibly certain things are missing on certain aspects or distorted for reasons that were handy for him to protect someone else but at the core – the general story of his confession is authentic and that there is no real reason to doubt that.

And this is supposed to change what?  According to this...Natalee died of an overdose of her own doing and Joran was not guilty of anything but being scared.  PFFFTTTTTTTFFFFFTTTT!  I call foul if this is all they have. I will wait and see.

[bastibro]

at what time ?

i don;t see it on saturday 

http://www.telearuba.aw/

special di salinas?

[Lala'sMom]

The more I think about it...I am even angrier now.  Still trying to pawn off the poor Joran again...maybe I am reading it wrong...but sorry...this is nothing.  Notice this part...



The witness we have is a girl that was, until this week, a friend of Joran. That was at his home, knew his parents, someone he confided in occasionally the last two years, whom he has told – revealed certain things. She has made a detailed statement now as well. First with us and through us she also went to the police. They have interrogated her thoroughly as well.



Don't anyone get excited...we have been here before.  Sorry to rain on the parade...it's my way.  Unless this witness says Natalee is buried in this spot and Joran told me this...

[klaasend]

http://www.nisnews.nl/public/081108_2.htm

[klaasend]

http://www.poligazette.com/2008/11/07/peter-r-de-vries-holloway-suspects-involved-in-women-trafficking/

Peter R. De Vries: Holloway Suspects Involved in Women Trafficking
November 7th, 2008 By: Michael van der Galien

Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries says that Jorian van der Sloot, who De Vries believes killed American Natalee Holloway on Aruba in 2005, is now involved in selling Thai women into prostitution.

De Vries won an Emmy earlier this year for his show on Holloway’s disappearance. By using hidden cameras, De Vries was able to catch Van der Sloot admitting to having killed the young American girl.

Dutch prosecutors picked up on the show and its revelations but were unable to put Van Der Sloot behind bars.

Sunday night, De Vries will air a new show about Van Der Sloot. The show will not be about Holloway this time, however, but about Van der Sloot’s alleged involvement in a project aimed at selling Thai women into Dutch prostitution.

In the show, of which the Dutch newspaper de Telegraaf saw a rough cut, de Vries went undercover in Thailand. According to De Vries’ findings, Van der Sloot would receive $10,000 for every Thai woman he delivers to the Dutch prostitution market, Dutch English-language website Dutch News reported Friday.

Talking about the footage De Vries’ team shot of Van der Sloot in action, De Vries said: “The pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old has for the lives of others. The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him… Making preparations for people smuggling is a crime. It could land him into big problems in Thailand.”

If true, it seems that the disappearance of Holloway was only the first major criminal act of Van der Sloot aimed at women. The fact that this young man is still walking around freely, able to sell Thai women to the Dutch prostitution market is truly an embarassment for Aruban and Dutch prosecutors.

[bastibro]

Peter DeVries Interview, note NEW WITNESS!!! 

The conclusion of these forensic experts, after seeing the footage – also the footage we haven't aired, is that the confession of Joran is authentic. And that possibly certain things are missing on certain aspects or distorted for reasons that were handy for him to protect someone else but at the core – the general story of his confession is authentic and that there is no real reason to doubt that.

And this is supposed to change what?  According to this...Natalee died of an overdose of her own doing and Joran was not guilty of anything but being scared.  PFFFTTTTTTTFFFFFTTTT!  I call foul if this is all they have. I will wait and see.

I agree Lala`s, that doesn't seem right.
His role was bigger than that.
What i have No doubt about to is that he strongly protects someone and i`m anxious to know who!!

[Lala'sMom]

http://www.poligazette.com/2008/11/07/peter-r-de-vries-holloway-suspects-involved-in-women-trafficking/

Peter R. De Vries: Holloway Suspects Involved in Women Trafficking
November 7th, 2008 By: Michael van der Galien

Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries says that Jorian van der Sloot, who De Vries believes killed American Natalee Holloway on Aruba in 2005, is now involved in selling Thai women into prostitution.

De Vries won an Emmy earlier this year for his show on Holloway’s disappearance. By using hidden cameras, De Vries was able to catch Van der Sloot admitting to having killed the young American girl.

Dutch prosecutors picked up on the show and its revelations but were unable to put Van Der Sloot behind bars.

Sunday night, De Vries will air a new show about Van Der Sloot. The show will not be about Holloway this time, however, but about Van der Sloot’s alleged involvement in a project aimed at selling Thai women into Dutch prostitution.

In the show, of which the Dutch newspaper de Telegraaf saw a rough cut, de Vries went undercover in Thailand. According to De Vries’ findings, Van der Sloot would receive $10,000 for every Thai woman he delivers to the Dutch prostitution market, Dutch English-language website Dutch News reported Friday.

Talking about the footage De Vries’ team shot of Van der Sloot in action, De Vries said: “The pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old has for the lives of others. The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him… Making preparations for people smuggling is a crime. It could land him into big problems in Thailand.”

If true, it seems that the disappearance of Holloway was only the first major criminal act of Van der Sloot aimed at women. The fact that this young man is still walking around freely, able to sell Thai women to the Dutch prostitution market is truly an embarassment for Aruban and Dutch prosecutors.

I suppose I am missing something here but, isn't this sex traffic thing accepted freely in Thailand? 

[johan555]

http://www.poligazette.com/2008/11/07/peter-r-de-vries-holloway-suspects-involved-in-women-trafficking/

Peter R. De Vries: Holloway Suspects Involved in Women Trafficking
November 7th, 2008 By: Michael van der Galien

Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries says that Jorian van der Sloot, who De Vries believes killed American Natalee Holloway on Aruba in 2005, is now involved in selling Thai women into prostitution.

De Vries won an Emmy earlier this year for his show on Holloway’s disappearance. By using hidden cameras, De Vries was able to catch Van der Sloot admitting to having killed the young American girl.

Dutch prosecutors picked up on the show and its revelations but were unable to put Van Der Sloot behind bars.

Sunday night, De Vries will air a new show about Van Der Sloot. The show will not be about Holloway this time, however, but about Van der Sloot’s alleged involvement in a project aimed at selling Thai women into Dutch prostitution.

In the show, of which the Dutch newspaper de Telegraaf saw a rough cut, de Vries went undercover in Thailand. According to De Vries’ findings, Van der Sloot would receive $10,000 for every Thai woman he delivers to the Dutch prostitution market, Dutch English-language website Dutch News reported Friday.

Talking about the footage De Vries’ team shot of Van der Sloot in action, De Vries said: “The pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old has for the lives of others. The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him… Making preparations for people smuggling is a crime. It could land him into big problems in Thailand.”

If true, it seems that the disappearance of Holloway was only the first major criminal act of Van der Sloot aimed at women. The fact that this young man is still walking around freely, able to sell Thai women to the Dutch prostitution market is truly an embarassment for Aruban and Dutch prosecutors.

I suppose I am missing something here but, isn't this sex traffic thing accepted freely in Thailand? 

 

[Lala'sMom]

Talking about the footage De Vries’ team shot of Van der Sloot in action, De Vries said: “The pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old has for the lives of others. The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him… Making preparations for people smuggling is a crime. It could land him into big problems in Thailand.”


I wonder how many women have already died as a result of Joran's new business venture?  Little respect?  GMAB!! Joran doesn't give a rat's patootie what the world thinks..he's not completely void of brain cells...he knows he can get away with this in Thailand.  That country is about as close to Sodom and Gomorrah as you can get without the wrath of God Almighty raining destruction down upon them. 


If true, it seems that the disappearance of Holloway was only the first major criminal act of Van der Sloot aimed at women. The fact that this young man is still walking around freely, able to sell Thai women to the Dutch prostitution market is truly an embarassment for Aruban and Dutch prosecutors.



Embarrasment? Is that all?   

OK, I am going to stop ranting now. Slinking away...to calm down.

[Lala'sMom]

http://www.poligazette.com/2008/11/07/peter-r-de-vries-holloway-suspects-involved-in-women-trafficking/

Peter R. De Vries: Holloway Suspects Involved in Women Trafficking
November 7th, 2008 By: Michael van der Galien

Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries says that Jorian van der Sloot, who De Vries believes killed American Natalee Holloway on Aruba in 2005, is now involved in selling Thai women into prostitution.

De Vries won an Emmy earlier this year for his show on Holloway’s disappearance. By using hidden cameras, De Vries was able to catch Van der Sloot admitting to having killed the young American girl.

Dutch prosecutors picked up on the show and its revelations but were unable to put Van Der Sloot behind bars.

Sunday night, De Vries will air a new show about Van Der Sloot. The show will not be about Holloway this time, however, but about Van der Sloot’s alleged involvement in a project aimed at selling Thai women into Dutch prostitution.

In the show, of which the Dutch newspaper de Telegraaf saw a rough cut, de Vries went undercover in Thailand. According to De Vries’ findings, Van der Sloot would receive $10,000 for every Thai woman he delivers to the Dutch prostitution market, Dutch English-language website Dutch News reported Friday.

Talking about the footage De Vries’ team shot of Van der Sloot in action, De Vries said: “The pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old has for the lives of others. The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him… Making preparations for people smuggling is a crime. It could land him into big problems in Thailand.”

If true, it seems that the disappearance of Holloway was only the first major criminal act of Van der Sloot aimed at women. The fact that this young man is still walking around freely, able to sell Thai women to the Dutch prostitution market is truly an embarassment for Aruban and Dutch prosecutors.

I suppose I am missing something here but, isn't this sex traffic thing accepted freely in Thailand? 

 

Come on now!!  You know human trafficking is big business in these countries.  No one has stopped it yet and I assure you Joran will not be the catalyst this time...too much money...too many powerful people that make money from this by way of various methods.  Neither the Dutch or Aruba is going to make a dent in this disgusting behavior.

[always 1]

How can Joran be in two different places at once???