Natalee Case Discussion #772 10/26/08 thru 11/09/08

[WhiskeyGirl]

If Joran were arrested in Thailand, charged and convicted of a crime there, would he serve any prison time there as well?

Does the Netherlands have some kind of agreement with Thailand that would allow Joran to be released and serve his time somewhere in the Kingdom of the Netherlands?  Elsewhere?

[SS]

Peter DeVries Interview, note NEW WITNESS!!! 

The interview.

What does this say about Joran as a person?

From my point of view this says about Joran that he is a person without conscience. Who doesn't care one bit about the people around him, that he only goes for his own gain. It's I, me and myself when it comes to Joran. A selfish and narcisstic personality.

Based on what are you saying he's telling the truth and not bluffing?
Well, the reason I think he's telling the truth is that he's done serious & concrete preparations, he had businesscards made which made it look like he's the manager of a modeling agency, he made an effort, he received us…that would all be a bit much if he was just bluffing. Of course he will say again he was bluffing and that it wasn't serious because that it his only way out in this case but we've been busy with him for months and it's my impression that this was suppose to be the new career of Joran.

What can be done judicial?
What could be done judicial shouldn't be asked to me, you could ask the Thai authorities or the Dutch department of justice. I've supplied the material and what a judge can & will do about it is not up to me.

But you've supplied the material with a goal, right? You want to put him behind bars one way or the other?
It's not my goal to put someone behind bars. It's my goal to point out what someone is doing. I've done that in the case of Natalee Holloway and I'm doing that again now. It's not up to me but for others to decide whether or not someone is convicted to prison, a fine or whatever because of that.

He also expressed threats right?
Yes.

What did he say? How do you feel?
Well, he was still chatting with his so called partner while it was already known, via the promo on SBS6, that there would be a new broadcast. Joran had heard about that in Thailand and he said then I've had enough of that De Vries and I will send a Thai towards him soon. I don't care what it will cost. Then it's done.
I find that a very meaningful expression for a 21 year old young man who apparently thinks that the problems in his life should be solved this way. And then I immediately think about Natalee Holloway. Then I start to think if he had a problem with that as well what needed to be solved? That people start thinking that way is something he does himself. I find it quite something.

He wants you dead?
I don't doubt for a second that would be very handy for him.

The case of Natalee Holloway. You're also coming with a new witness right?
The witness we have is a girl that was, until this week, a friend of Joran. That was at his home, knew his parents, someone he confided in occasionally the last two years, whom he has told – revealed certain things. She has made a detailed statement now as well. First with us and through us she also went to the police. They have interrogated her thoroughly as well.

And that statement agrees with the story he told Patrick van der Eem earlier?
That runs paralell with the story he told Patrick van der Eem, yes.

That whole scenario has also been put out to a couple of experts. What's their conclusion?
The conclusion of these forensic experts, after seeing the footage – also the footage we haven't aired, is that the confession of Joran is authentic. And that possibly certain things are missing on certain aspects or distorted for reasons that were handy for him to protect someone else but at the core – the general story of his confession is authentic and that there is no real reason to doubt that.

What do you think guys? Melody?

She is immediately who I thought about.  She was so angry at Urine last Spring, too.

[SS]

http://www.poligazette.com/2008/11/07/peter-r-de-vries-holloway-suspects-involved-in-women-trafficking/

Peter R. De Vries: Holloway Suspects Involved in Women Trafficking
November 7th, 2008 By: Michael van der Galien

Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries says that Jorian van der Sloot, who De Vries believes killed American Natalee Holloway on Aruba in 2005, is now involved in selling Thai women into prostitution.

De Vries won an Emmy earlier this year for his show on Holloway’s disappearance. By using hidden cameras, De Vries was able to catch Van der Sloot admitting to having killed the young American girl.

Dutch prosecutors picked up on the show and its revelations but were unable to put Van Der Sloot behind bars.

Sunday night, De Vries will air a new show about Van Der Sloot. The show will not be about Holloway this time, however, but about Van der Sloot’s alleged involvement in a project aimed at selling Thai women into Dutch prostitution.

In the show, of which the Dutch newspaper de Telegraaf saw a rough cut, de Vries went undercover in Thailand. According to De Vries’ findings, Van der Sloot would receive $10,000 for every Thai woman he delivers to the Dutch prostitution market, Dutch English-language website Dutch News reported Friday.

Talking about the footage De Vries’ team shot of Van der Sloot in action, De Vries said: “The pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old has for the lives of others. The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him… Making preparations for people smuggling is a crime. It could land him into big problems in Thailand.”

If true, it seems that the disappearance of Holloway was only the first major criminal act of Van der Sloot aimed at women. The fact that this young man is still walking around freely, able to sell Thai women to the Dutch prostitution market is truly an embarassment for Aruban and Dutch prosecutors.

I suppose I am missing something here but, isn't this sex traffic thing accepted freely in Thailand? 

 

Come on now!!  You know human trafficking is big business in these countries.  No one has stopped it yet and I assure you Joran will not be the catalyst this time...too much money...too many powerful people that make money from this by way of various methods.  Neither the Dutch or Aruba is going to make a dent in this disgusting behavior.

Lala's, I'm with you on this one.  I hope that we aren't going to just hear about Joran and some prostitutes along with Medley making a few admissions.  This is not going to help Natalee's cause.  Aruba and the Dutch aren't going after Urine for prostitution, if they weren't willing to go after him for Murder.  He is supposed to be in the Netherlands and was realeased from Aruba to study.  ALE knows exactly what he's doing and they don't care.  The Dutch government doesn't care and I doubt if Thailand cares.  This program on Sunday might help malign Urine's character, but it's not doing anything for Natalee.

Where is the information about Paulass?  Where is the witness from Manserat at 4:05 AM?  Where is Jossy's Part 3,4,and 5?  Where is Caps?  Where are the contents of the fish trap?  Where is the cemetery?  Where is Urine's sneaker?  Where is Caps?

I don't even care what Urine does in Thailand and I hope he catches one of those veneral diseases over there that don't respond to antibiotics.  I want to see Urine, Paulass, and everyone else involved arrested for Natalee's murder.

[SS]

i think this is Joran on a Thai forum

2007-08-29  15:19:04

I had dealings with BU around the millennium shift, so my numbers are a bit old, but about 30,000 per semester sounds about right. Do note that BU is a private university, clearly niching itself on rich, dumb kids. If you are not good enough to earn a real degree, but you have a rich dad who can just pay to have them hand you a degree, then BU is for you.

Cheers,
Joran

I think he's confusing BU with Emerson where his brother is.  St. Leo's where Urine was accepted is the bottom of the list.

[SS]

telegraaf

google trans

Head Public Prosecutor Hans Mos said yesterday that he will have been informed of the new operation. "I have the images still can not see, but I am very curious. I hope next week beginning my first evaluation to be made." Mos says that before the end of the year is decided whether Joran van der Sloot should stand trial. By guilty to trafficking in women is Joran van der Sloot in Thailand is a major risk. The Thai authorities are burned to the image of sex country. Westerners who are caught can often count on for a long ruling in the Bang Kwang prison, also known as the Bangkok Hilton. His lawyer, Bert de Rooij might react today.

Mos and his cronies aren't going to do anything about Urine operating in prostitution.  It isn't even happening in Aruba.  He has admitted to dumping Natalee in the ocean, not knowing if she was even dead, and they didn't do anything.  Mos and ALE know exactly what happened to Natalee and they have done nothing.  Jossy produced a new witness in September and ALE did nothing.  Persistence found a fish trap of evidence and ALE did nothing.  We need something absolutely huge to blow Natalee's case wide open and I doubt if it will be prostitutes from Thailand.

[SS]

Ok, I'm finished ranting now and talking to myself.

[hotping]

I hear You SS......I wonder about all of those things also......

[Pita]

I'm wondering about the connection between Joran and the perv Martin Van den Berg from Thailand?  Could Martin be the reason Joran is in Thailand?  

 
Quote from: klaasend on April 22, 2008, 10:38:45 PM
Posted by Obscuregoddess at RU (she claims to be internet friends with Joran )

I am not even going to state my opinion or knowledge or anything... Not going to get myself involved in any arguments because I am trying to stay in a good mood. i will say, for the record, this Martin guy was very "fond" of Joran... regardless of what may have or may not have happened where this is concerned. Martin is gay or bi, period. Nothing wrong with that. Just saying...  He is kind of acting like a scorned lover. IF Joran ripped him off, (as I said-- not going to state my opinion to preserve what sanity I have left today) Martin is behaving like someone who just got dumped or hurt by their significant other... revenge mode. No one should be excused for their roles in whatever they did wrong here, whether it be Joran or this guy... But man, oh man. Okay, I am hushing now.



Response to the above post by Lazlo at RU:

OG, acc. to Martin he and Joran had 2 years of intensive internet contact, so I guess Joran knew Martin being very "fond" of him.

Martin said while interviewed that Joran had told him that if he ever told anyone the things they discussed he would "stop it".

SBS showed a chatlog allegedly of Joran and Martin, who knows, maybe Martin kept logs of all their conversations and Schouten will become his representative.

Nothing would suprise me anymore in this case.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.820
 
 

[texasmom]

I figured the Sloot's could manage to get a mention of the Crockumentary here. 

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=23&Itemid=2
11/7/08 Front Page Edition



Translation:

Declaration of policy controversial of the another near of medaya of the caso of Natalee Holloway

sta. cruz -- saturday venidero at telearuba will being happen one documentario of one investigacion cu did take more of 3 year of time for hinca in another, of the suceso-, testigo- y pruebanan cu people of aruba never owing to achieve chance of hear or see. for of cuminzamento of the caso here, much is esnan at aruba cu owing to tell cu the caso here have algo cu do not cuadra, algo cu is smell, as is being tell crioyamente. during lunanan largo, arubianonan owing to try help more tanto possible in the caso, owing to help busca, owing to haci donacionnan big, cu never owing to being haci in one caso of desaparicion, while cu polis-, militar- y voluntarionan was haci they maximo esfuerzo for localiza the person natalee holloway cu was perdi, the family self was disfruta of the beachnan, the shopnan, evenementonan y happen oranan largo in casino, without forget the party of farewell of the mother for of island at one restaurant italian much renombra at aruba bao of gasto of one comerciante-periodista cu owing to become back for her people of aruba y haci bad usage for bad propaganda the systema hudicial of aruba, his gobierno y the interest of turism via canalnan mericano for lunanan largo. the declaration of policy here owing to being compila y produci for her conocido reportero investigativo dutch, renee gielen. the person here owing to achieve very complicacionan y estorbo, even of his same coleganan, that already end owing to achieve one tunnel vision of that y kico can owing to happen in the caso here, ignorando the evidencianan cu is existi. the try strobe the documentario here of wordo happen at aruba y the netherlands for some month end, but after cu openbare ministerie of aruba owing to waak the documentario here, owing to give the or.k. for happen this because; premicia here at aruba self. his premiere will is saturday now, while cu the next day at the netherlands, the conocido investigador y reportero peter de vries also will come cu one second declaration of policy after of esun cu the owing to present because; the “solucion of the caso of natalee holloway”. informacionnan ricibi is indica cu peter owing to work this after of owing to ricibi more material of thailandia y another paisnan where cu the sospechoso of the caso here is residenciando for the time being. the declaration of policy will have informacionnan of one joran v/d sloot haciendo cosnan cu one young of his edad will haci cu his amigonan during tripmento y one possible “escandalo” of drugs, cual much is believe cu will do not more escandaloso cu the mature cu peter de vries together cu his undercover patrick v/d eem owing to ofrece the young cocaine for her can owing to talk cu camera scondi. people is being invita for waak the documentario here cu one mind open, without the storianan cu cierto medionan owing to try hinca in cabez of the arubianonan during the ultimo 3 añanan y work they same conclusion.

[Lala'sMom]

Ok, I'm finished ranting now and talking to myself.

It's OK.  I did it earlier too.  I see nothing in all this information that will help with Natalee at all.  Maybe after the show by DeVries we will have a better idea what is what and if Joran is going to get his comeuppance or not.  I bet on the latter...nothing.

[Kat_Gram]

I hope that DeVries makes the Dutch government make a move. Devries is like a pit bull. 

[johan555]

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Translation: Dutch » English
       Joran: 'I HAVE ALL THE GEBLUFT'

Reaction after Natalee-like showdown

by Bert Houses


AMSTERDAM, Saturday
        Joran van der Sloot has against Thai women as a businessman. He provided them under more false business cards, which said that he and Humphrey that he called bovine modeling agency in the Thai capital.
         So he recruited young Thai women, with the aim to sell them to brothels in our country. The TV report of Peter R. de Vries tomorrow, where Joran in Thailand again in the fall runs from an undercover team, yesterday could count on large international interest. The new network ABC wants this broadcast in the U.S..
         
SUPPLY
         Van der Sloot offered last another five days for girls to the Dutch sex industry. He sent this "available women 'photos through the Internet to the undercover team. He gave a follow-on negotiations that an infiltrator with him claimed. The 21-year-old suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is itself only came yesterday to inform that the negotiations are set with hidden cameras. Van der Sloot asked them 10,000 dollars a girl, then for 300 dollars a month in brothels could work.
        He claims now that he never seriously sought to provide women and relies on "big voice." "I have done nothing! But what I said, "did he know. "I did it all gebluft." Joran is responding, in the same manner as when he discovered that his confession about the death of Holloway was committed. "I see that as a reflex", says De Vries. "In our contacts with the infiltrator and via the Internet, he is absolutely clear."

• Joran van der Sloot (right) in a Thai hotel lounge together with the infiltrator.
PHOTO: PETER R. DE VRIES / ENDEMOL


        Justice in the Netherlands can not yet say whether Van der Sloot has acted as possible criminality.

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JORAN: ’IK HEB HET ALLEMAAL GEBLUFT’

Reactie net als na Natalee-onthulling

door Bert Huisjes


AMSTERDAM, zaterdag
       Joran van der Sloot heeft zich tegenover Thaise vrouwen voorgedaan als zakenman. Hij verstrekte hun onder meer valse visitekaartjes, waarop stond dat hij Humphrey heette en dat hij een modellenbureau runde in de Thaise hoofdstad.
        Zo wierf hij jonge Thaise vrouwen, met het doel hen te verkopen aan bordelen in ons land. De tv-reportage van Peter R. de Vries van morgen, waarin Joran in Thailand opnieuw in de val loopt van een undercoverteam, kon gisteren rekenen op grote internationale belangstelling. Het nieuwsnetwerk ABC wil deze uitzenden in de VS.
       
LEVERING
        Van der Sloot bood afgelopen dagen nog vijf meisjes aan voor de Nederlandse seksindustrie. Hij stuurde van deze ’beschikbare vrouwen’ foto’s via internet naar het undercoverteam. Hij gaf daarmee een vervolg aan onderhandelingen die een infiltrant met hem voerde. De 21-jarige verdachte van de verdwijning van Natalee Holloway is zelf pas sinds gisteren op de hoogte dat de onderhandelingen zijn vastgelegd met verborgen camera’s. Van der Sloot vroeg daarin 10.000 dollar per meisje, waarna ze voor 300 dollar per maand in bordelen konden werken.
       Hij stelt nu dat hij nooit serieus vrouwen heeft willen leveren en beroept zich op ’grootspraak’. „Ik heb niets gedaan! Ik zei maar wat”, liet hij weten. „Ik heb het allemaal gebluft.” Joran reageert daarmee op dezelfde wijze, als toen hij ontdekte dat zijn bekentenis over de dood van Holloway was vastgelegd. „Ik zie dat als een reflex”, zegt De Vries. „In de contacten met onze infiltrant en via internet is hij immers volstrekt duidelijk.”

[johan555]

My client is in great need of money

AMSTERDAM, Saturday

        "Obviously my client is in great need of money, as in Thailand," says Joran lawyer, Mr. Bert de Rooij. "I must also wait to see the pictures, but I can imagine that very voice he has tried to cash in angling. It was possible to obtain advances. But I do not know where all he is doing. "
         The lawyer claims that he Joran still has not been able to do. However, he has spoken with him about the impending broadcast. "But even when he knew that he was shot again." According to the undercover team called Joran not to advances for the supply of young girls. "He has single-thousand dollars received," said De Vries.
        According to the undercover team Joran lived in Thailand even properly prosperity, the crucial witness villa where he resides. His parents do not want to respond, leaving his father to know. Justice in the Netherlands can not yet say whether Van der Sloot with the provision of the young Thai women again criminalize acted. "If he just said, is probably not enough," said Wim de Bruin of the national prosecutor's office. "He will truly human beings should have put in motion." The authorities in Thailand are aware of the revelation that Joran tried to sell young women. An arrest can not be ruled out.

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’Joran is kennelijk in grote geldnood’
AMSTERDAM, zaterdag
       „Kennelijk zit mijn cliënt in grote geldnood, daar in Thailand”, zegt Jorans advocaat, mr. Bert de Rooij. „Ik moet de beelden ook afwachten, maar ik kan me voorstellen dat hij met grootspraak heeft geprobeerd geld binnen te hengelen. Mogelijk was hij uit op het verkrijgen van voorschotten. Maar ik weet natuurlijk niet waar hij allemaal mee bezig is.”
        De advocaat stelt dat hij met Joran nog geen overleg heeft kunnen voeren. Wel heeft hij met hem gesproken over de naderende uitzending. „Maar toen wist hij nog niet dat hij opnieuw was gefilmd.” Volgens het undercoverteam drong Joran niet aan op voorschotten voor het leveren van jonge meisjes. „Hij heeft eenmalig duizend dollar ontvangen”, aldus De Vries.
       Volgens het undercoverteam leeft Joran in Thailand zelfs in behoorlijke welstand, getuige de kapitale villa waar hij in verblijft. Zijn ouders willen niet reageren, liet zijn vader weten. Justitie in Nederland kan nog niet zeggen of Van der Sloot met het aanbieden van de jonge Thaise vrouwen mogelijk opnieuw strafbaar heeft gehandeld. „Als hij het alleen heeft gezegd, is dat vermoedelijk niet voldoende”, zegt Wim de Bruin van het landelijk parket. „Hij zal echt de mensenhandel in gang moeten hebben gezet.” De autoriteiten in Thailand zijn op de hoogte gesteld van de onthulling dat Joran probeerde jonge vrouwen te verkopen. Een arrestatie valt niet uit te sluiten.

[johan555]

HILVERSUM - The Dutch investigation has this week heard a new witness in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
 The witness is/was a friend of Joran van der Sloot. According to crime reporter Peter R. de Vries confirms they are largely what Joran earlier in an undercover operation SBS6 even to Patrick van der river Eem said.

De Vries:,, Joran, according to its hint that he would be involved in the disappearance of Natalee and that the police in Aruba on a wrong track had put.''Police hearkened to the girlfriend a few times. ,, Even the last interrogation lasted five hours.''

De Vries has also forensic scientists to do research into the rough, more than nine hours continuous footage that was included in the undercover operation with Van der  Eem. ,, The scientists unanimously consider that the confessions of Joran about the disappearance of Natalee authentic. They certainly conclude that there are hardly any fabrication.''

[caesu]

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/294101/c34ad421/peter_r_de_vries_vs_freek_de_jonge.html

hilarious exchange between Peter R. and some washed up comedian. 

[caesu]

Natalie Holloway suspect Joran van der Sloot caught in Bangkok, Thailand trafficking in sex slaves

November 7th, 2008 | Breaking News

By: D. H. Williams @ 6:39 PM - EST

Joran van der Sloot the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalie Holloway in 2005 is in deep trouble again after being caught on film in a Bangkok hotel room discussing arrangements to traffic sex slaves from Thailand to the Netherlands.

Television crime reporter Peter R. de Vries responsible for airing the tape between van der Sloot and pot smoking poker player Patrick van der Eem has put van der Sloot in another compromising situation.

It was February 2008 when de Vries televised the tape where Joran admitted on camera to having been with Natalie and then calling a friend to help dump her body out at sea claiming she had of some kind of seizure during sex.

During the taped conversations between the two Joran shows his contempt for human life revealing Natalie was likely still alive when he and a “good friend” dumped her body in the ocean.

Joran van der Sloot human trafficker

Now Peter de Vries is set to air a second program this Sunday based on an undercover operation were Joran van der Sloot is caught on video offering to provide young Tai women and the necessary immigration and travel documents so than can legally enter the Netherlands.

Joran is seen in a hotel room with two Thai prostitutes negotiating with a man he believes is a Dutch sex industry entrepreneur. Joran offers to provide Thai girls for the Dutch sex trade for 10,000.00 euros or about $13,000.00 each to the undercover agent working for reporter Peter de Vries.

He talks about the huge profit potential because the girls believe they will be working as dancers and will be paid less than $400.00 per month.

Peter de Vries says, “The pictures show how little respect this 21-year-old has for the lives of others. The fact that he goes into the trafficking of women after the disappearance of Natalee is typical of him… Making preparations for people smuggling is a crime. It could land him into big problems in Thailand.”

http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2008/11/07/natalie-holloway-suspect-joran-van-der-sloot-caught-trafficking-in-sex-slaves/

[MumInOhio]

HILVERSUM - The Dutch investigation has this week heard a new witness in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
 The witness is/was a friend of Joran van der Sloot. According to crime reporter Peter R. de Vries confirms they are largely what Joran earlier in an undercover operation SBS6 even to Patrick van der river Eem said.

De Vries:,, Joran, according to its hint that he would be involved in the disappearance of Natalee and that the police in Aruba on a wrong track had put.''Police hearkened to the girlfriend a few times. ,, Even the last interrogation lasted five hours.''

De Vries has also forensic scientists to do research into the rough, more than nine hours continuous footage that was included in the undercover operation with Van der  Eem. ,, The scientists unanimously consider that the confessions of Joran about the disappearance of Natalee authentic. They certainly conclude that there are hardly any fabrication.''

A little confused here...Are we back to a friend/former girlfriend....And if so who is in the pic a few pages back...an older woman?  TIA

[bastibro]

HILVERSUM - The Dutch investigation has this week heard a new witness in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
 The witness is/was a friend of Joran van der Sloot. According to crime reporter Peter R. de Vries confirms they are largely what Joran earlier in an undercover operation SBS6 even to Patrick van der river Eem said.

De Vries:,, Joran, according to its hint that he would be involved in the disappearance of Natalee and that the police in Aruba on a wrong track had put.''Police hearkened to the girlfriend a few times. ,, Even the last interrogation lasted five hours.''

De Vries has also forensic scientists to do research into the rough, more than nine hours continuous footage that was included in the undercover operation with Van der  Eem. ,, The scientists unanimously consider that the confessions of Joran about the disappearance of Natalee authentic. They certainly conclude that there are hardly any fabrication.''

A little confused here...Are we back to a friend/former girlfriend....And if so who is in the pic a few pages back...an older woman?  TIA

This is about the, until this week, girlfriend of Joran, who was, according to Peter de Vries, having a relationship with him for the last 3 yrs.
I didn`t read anywhere of her age so i think we don't know yet.

[bleachedblack]

I'm wondering about the connection between Joran and the perv Martin Van den Berg from Thailand?  Could Martin be the reason Joran is in Thailand?  

 
Quote from: klaasend on April 22, 2008, 10:38:45 PM
Posted by Obscuregoddess at RU (she claims to be internet friends with Joran )

I am not even going to state my opinion or knowledge or anything... Not going to get myself involved in any arguments because I am trying to stay in a good mood. i will say, for the record, this Martin guy was very "fond" of Joran... regardless of what may have or may not have happened where this is concerned. Martin is gay or bi, period. Nothing wrong with that. Just saying...  He is kind of acting like a scorned lover. IF Joran ripped him off, (as I said-- not going to state my opinion to preserve what sanity I have left today) Martin is behaving like someone who just got dumped or hurt by their significant other... revenge mode. No one should be excused for their roles in whatever they did wrong here, whether it be Joran or this guy... But man, oh man. Okay, I am hushing now.



Response to the above post by Lazlo at RU:

OG, acc. to Martin he and Joran had 2 years of intensive internet contact, so I guess Joran knew Martin being very "fond" of him.

Martin said while interviewed that Joran had told him that if he ever told anyone the things they discussed he would "stop it".

SBS showed a chatlog allegedly of Joran and Martin, who knows, maybe Martin kept logs of all their conversations and Schouten will become his representative.

Nothing would suprise me anymore in this case.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.820
 
 

That is a very interesting connection Pita and one I also wonder about. Old Marten was just to "into" Aruba and young girls when Natalee's case broke to be above suspicion here. IMO

[Nut44x4]

WTF is Joran wearing in that photo?  A bullet proof vest?? If not, he should be.