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Author Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #772 10/26/08 thru 11/09/08  (Read 310302 times)
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« Reply #780 on: November 09, 2008, 03:52:18 PM »

4 scientists (a.o. forensic psychologists) analyzed jorans convessions in patricks car.

Judicial psychologist prof. dr. Van Koppen: the confessions were not bluf! Joran also some moments showed his weakspots. Joran was involved although he might have not been present the last part (with the boat). Most probable scenario is that most of the confessions were true; only a small portion was not true. Shoe story and (beach-)telephone story were not true.

Expert in criminal personalities prof dr. C de Ruijter: Joran was very detailled and didn't make it up. This confession was more truthfull than those at the police station.

Expert in lies and truth prof. dr. H. Meckelbach: Joran felt at ease (patrick helped GREATLY with that) and it's very probable that Joran's story is authentic! And he was not much influenced by his hash smoking; besides that he stuck to his story. Joran reproduced the movements of Natalee which is a very strong indication that he tells what realy happened. These confession tell a lot about the earlier behaviour of Joran. Even the fact that not all details align don't ruin the total picture.

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« Reply #781 on: November 09, 2008, 03:53:30 PM »

EuroRobert

Thanks for posting.  I have no idea about any arrest.

Copied from the darkside (for those that don't read there.  I have no idea about the poster):

Pronkjewail  Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:40 pm ++

Expert says that the footage does not show that he was bragging and showing, since he was also acting vulnerable...

Expert comes to the conclusion that Joran made a confession while in the car with Patrick. He thinks Joran spoke the truth, except for a few details. He thinks Joran did this on purpose.

Expert thinks that the story about the shoes and the phone by the hotel were used by Joran to throw off police.

Second expert also thinks he is telling the truth. She thinks that he knows too much details and the story doesnt look rehearsed to her.

Third expert says that smoking weed did not have an effect on his story.
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« Reply #782 on: November 09, 2008, 03:53:49 PM »

Third expert says that smoking weed did not have an "effect" on his story.
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« Reply #783 on: November 09, 2008, 03:54:47 PM »

Your report, as usual, is much more detailed.
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« Reply #784 on: November 09, 2008, 03:55:30 PM »

Bastibro - this better? 

EURobert - thanks for the show updates

Thanks to all of our Dutch posters for the updates!

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« Reply #785 on: November 09, 2008, 03:57:57 PM »

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 3:51 pm         

Third expert says that in his opinion Joran is not a pathological liar. Expert thinks that the fact that certain details in his story are not correct, does not mean that the bigger picture of the story is also not correct.
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« Reply #786 on: November 09, 2008, 04:00:20 PM »

i think i know who it is

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« Reply #787 on: November 09, 2008, 04:03:31 PM »

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:02 pm         

Celeste played in the Opsporing Verzocht-show about Natalee.

Met Joran while partying on Aruba after that show.
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« Reply #788 on: November 09, 2008, 04:06:08 PM »

     
      
Pronkjewail PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:03 pm       

Was shocked at first that it was joran, but she thought it was interesting. She lived close by his house. Became friends after that. Met his parents. Talked about the case with him on many occasions.
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« Reply #789 on: November 09, 2008, 04:07:55 PM »

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:04 pm         

She went to the beach with Joran one night. Went to the fishermans hut. eHe asked her if she thought it was weird to be there, since he could be someone who could make a body dissapear...       

   
      
Pronkjewail PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:05 pm       

Joran told Celes that his father knows more and coached him. Paul has said that he should use wrong information under pressure.
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« Reply #790 on: November 09, 2008, 04:09:32 PM »

he always called his dad when  he is  in trouble.
he (PAul)  is the only one person who knows about the case
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« Reply #791 on: November 09, 2008, 04:10:42 PM »

she said that she think daury is > paul
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« Reply #792 on: November 09, 2008, 04:10:54 PM »

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:06 pm         

Joran said that he always called his dad while he was in trouble. He also told her that there is only one person who knows about the case...

Celes thinks that Daury is Paul.

Celes is still in contact with joran until this day.
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« Reply #793 on: November 09, 2008, 04:11:32 PM »

she is still with joran on Msn
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« Reply #794 on: November 09, 2008, 04:12:13 PM »

They talk on msn while Joran is in Thailand.
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« Reply #795 on: November 09, 2008, 04:13:05 PM »

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:11 pm         

Beth and PRDV walking through a park, last month. Beth says she hasnt heard anything from Aruba.. She doesnt know if there still is an ongoing investigation. She didnt get an update.

 
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« Reply #796 on: November 09, 2008, 04:14:25 PM »

beth >  why didnt they re-arrest Joran????????
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« Reply #797 on: November 09, 2008, 04:15:18 PM »

Posted by Glenda at RU:

Glenda wrote:
Is this Celeste Prince?
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« Reply #798 on: November 09, 2008, 04:16:01 PM »

Pronkjewail  PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:14 pm         

Mos was asked to talk about the current situation in the case. He refused, since there wasnt enough to talk about. Finally gave a statement, that finding new evidence is hard, but theyre still investigating things. By dec 31st they will decide if they will go after Joran or not..
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« Reply #799 on: November 09, 2008, 04:16:22 PM »

mos is still investigating things
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