Natalee Case Discussion #772 10/26/08 thru 11/09/08

[klaasend]

The big blonde guy 3rd from the right (with the beer bottles in the air) resembles Koen....

Pretty sure it's not Koen.  I've seen him in alot of pics and does resemble Koen until you put a verified Koen pic next to him. 

[2NJSons_Mom]

The big blonde guy 3rd from the right (with the beer bottles in the air) resembles Koen....

Pretty sure it's not Koen.  I've seen him in alot of pics and does resemble Koen until you put a verified Koen pic next to him. 

That's what I was thinking and didn't say...he looks like the other guy that side by side pics were done with Koen.  Just was stating an observation...wish I had the pics saved. 

[vms]

Maybe they are married now.

VMS - what I find interresting about this is the nationality of South African.  Isn't Reality from South Africa?  Or do I have my people mixed up?

No, I think you remember correctly.

[klaasend]

http://media.www.smudailycampus.com/media/storage/paper949/news/2008/10/30/News/Beth-Holloway.Speaks.At.Smu-3514797.shtml

Beth Holloway Speaks at SMU
By: Johnny Brackett, Contributing Writer, jbracket@smu.edu
Posted: 10/30/08


For many graduating high school seniors, taking a trip after graduation is tradition. Parents watch as their children pack their bags to celebrate this landmark in their life. Many times, these parents will remind them to take safety precautions because they are going on a trip without them. They double-check that their children have remembered to bring the essentials: a toothbrush, extra underwear for freak accidents and in some cases, their passport. They see their children off and watch with glee as their pride and joy waltzes off to celebrate one of their largest accomplishments to date.

For Beth Holloway, this day was one of her proudest. Her daughter, Natalee, had recently graduated from high school with over a 4.0 grade point average, awarding her a full academic scholarship to the University of Alabama. She had just completed a dance career with her high school team and developed into a strikingly beautiful young woman. Holloway drove her daughter to a friend's house, where she would depart for the airport and fly to Aruba to celebrate graduation. She said her goodbyes to Natalee and watched as the dark silhouette of her daughter's body walked up the front path and went into the house. She didn't know at the time, but this would be the last time she would ever see her daughter.

Tuesday night, Beth Holloway, a woman who Barbara Walters selected as one of the world's most fascinating people, shared the tragic story of her daughter's kidnapping to SMU students at McFarlin Auditorium.

On May 30, 2005, the last day of her trip to Aruba, Natalee Holloway vanished. Sponsored by Pi Beta Phi and Hotel Palomar, Beth Holloway shared her story and how she has overcome such a huge obstacle. Liz Grayson, coordinator of the event and member of Pi Beta Phi, said Holloway's story is valuable to students.

"She has more courage than most people and after the tragic loss of her daughter, she has fought to increase awareness of a topic that is often overlooked," Grayson said.

Holloway said four days after dropping her daughter off for her senior trip, she received the phone call that parents dread. She was told that her daughter didn't arrive at the airport that morning. Holloway recalls quickly making arrangements to get to Aruba. Upon arrival, Holloway found Natalee's belongings neatly packed ready to return home. Natalee's friends said the last they saw her she was getting into a silver Honda outside Carlos' n' Charlie's, a popular nightclub in Aruba. This is the last living memory of her, Holloway said.

Holloway said that once she got to Aruba she followed a wild goose chase of tips from both officials and strangers. She spent days roaming the streets in search of her daughter. Holloway said the hardest part was trying to find her daughter in a country that does not honor the same laws as the United States. She said she was told of many possibilities of her daughter's whereabouts: in a Jeep, stowed away in a crack house, or even abducted and taken into slavery.

"As we frantically searched for our daughter, [Aruban officials] asked us not to disturb their crack houses, not to disturb their prostitutes and asked our family how much money we had," Holloway said.

For Holloway, trying to get help in this desperate situation was like being in another world, and in reality, she was. She said that despite all the tips and running around, Natalee was nowhere to be found.

Beginning to lose hope, Holloway said that she was descending to the lowest point the human spirit can fall. She recalls trying to find another way to survive the nightmare. The hope that she would find her daughter was rapidly becoming a fantasy, she said.

"I became resilient and decided I would pick up one foot, put it down, and the other would follow. There was much work that needed to be done for Natalee," Holloway said.

Holloway returned to the states where she was greeted with overwhelming support not just by her hometown community, but also from the entire nation and abroad. She said that magnificent things happen when people come together to support others. From volunteering to help with Holloway's search for answers to simply tying a yellow ribbon to their mailbox, vast amounts of people came to her aide, she said.

Just months ago, all of the hard work paid off. Holloway said she got the break she had been waiting for. The first and only suspect, Joran Van der Sloot, the driver of the silver Honda, confessed on a hidden camera to sexually assaulting Natalee. He said after she had a seizure he disposed of her body in the ocean. Holloway said she believes Natalee was given a date rape drug and overdosed, causing the seizures that Van der Sloot described.

Joran Van der Sloot is the son of an Aruban judge. Holloway said that despite his confession, the Aruban officials won't do anything against a judge's son because their system doesn't work like the United States'. Holloway compared Natalee's situation to The Wizard of Oz, saying that when you leave the United States, you are "not in Kansans anymore." Travelers must adhere to the customs of the country they are visiting, she said. Being a teacher, Holloway asked herself what she could do to teach others from her tragic lessons.

Since Natalee's disappearance, Holloway has founded TravelEd workshop. TravelEd is a program for college and high school students to teach about pre-departure education and safety. Holloway said that her daughter had a false sense of security among her many friends and was blind-sided. It is critically important to prepare for going abroad before leaving, she said. Her hope is that she can make TravelEd available to high schools everywhere.

"I want you to remember it is now your responsibility to watch out for yourself. Your parents aren't going to be around to watch over you anymore," Holloway said.

Students reacted to Holloway's story with emotion and sincerity. Megan Haslam, a junior public policy major and member of Pi Beta Phi, said that listening to Holloway's story was an eye-opening experience.

"It's devastating to hear that a family had to go through this. The important thing for those of us lucky enough to hear the story is to take the lessons Holloway is teaching to heart," Haslam said.

Holloway said that hope is what got her through such an upsetting experience. She said hope is a universal message that better times are ahead. It nourishes the soul just as food nourishes the body.

"The hope that filled her heart fills mine. It brought me here tonight and it will see me through tomorrow. Please remember that you have your own back [while travelling], and please remember Natalee," Holloway said in closing.

[johan555]

Tourist industry aruba send SPAM

they send agressive  e-mail  ads

Aruba spends millions of additional tourism
ORANGE CITY (AFN) - Aruba because of the economic crisis gives 10 million dollars (about 7.5 million euros) extra for the promotion of tourism. That led the authorities on the Caribbean island announced Monday. With the money should Americans be persuaded to book a holiday.

'There is no reason to panic''in Aruba, made the Aruban Minister of Finance Nilo Swaen clear, based on a survey of the central bank under Aruban financial institutions. ,, Given the worldwide developments, however, we must continue to invest in tourism, because this sector is our main economic pillar.''

Ahata, Aruba in the association for the hotel industry, says that for the coming year for 20-25 percent fewer bookings were made than in the same period in 2007. ,, That might as well lie to the American elections. Often they wait to book their holidays until the outcome is known'', says spokesman Rob Smith.

Decrease of 11 percent in September

Smith continues:,, they also hope that prices for Caribbean destinations further down than it already is. We continue to promote since the spring are the most important months for Aruba. Almost 60 percent of the sector in that time earned.''

The first eight months of this year Aruba received more visitors than in the same period last year. In September there was a decrease of 11 percent. For October and November results will not differ much from those of last year, figures show Ahata.

No price

Ahata, the Aruban government and the Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) choose not to price reductions for tourists who want to go to Aruba. 'That will not go, because we have fixed expenses and a durable, high quality product to deliver''says Smith. ,, Other Caribbean islands have no other choice but to lower their prices because they have no money for extra promotion.''

Aruba last month began an aggressive publicity campaign in the United States. From posters in the subway systems of New York and Boston to spots in every major American cinemas is the attention to the Carabische island located. Potential tourists are also e-mail to send Aruban ads. Aruba spending this year by the new campaign, nearly double the amount that was budgeted for the promotion of tourism.

[johan555]

Radisson 1 million dollar


October 29, 2008

Because of the negative forecasts for next year, deletes Radisson twenty to thirty jobs in Aruba. In total savings in the four-star hotel next year, 1 million dollars in costs.

ORANGE CITY - Twenty to thirty jobs will be lost at the Radisson hotel that more than 1 million dollar savings on costs for the coming year. Because of the lower growth forecast as a result of the global financial crisis. Redundancies want to avoid the four-star hotel, said a spokesman.
There are both jobs in low positions as the management deleted. With large severance payments and early retirement schemes are now persuaded workers to leave voluntarily. Meanwhile, already four to five managers used the redundancy. Some managers, however, has refused. Clear union was at last Friday informed during a meeting at which the union initially wanted a collective bargaining proposal deposit including a salary increase of 6 percent. The hotel management has indicated that there first must be cut and that happens especially in personnel costs.
The occupancy rate for the month of November is at 57 percent, but that according to the spokesman, normal. "In November, there is always a low occupancy, between 50 and 60 percent." This lasts until the first week of December, then the occupancy rate back up. In the first week of December this year is something less pressure than normal, so far is 45 percent of hotel rooms occupied, but this Radisson is not a disaster. Around Christmas, the rate already at 70 percent and the hotel expects this will rise to 80 percent.
The low growth expected in the hotel sector for 2009 is for the four-star hotel in response to significant cost cutting. Headquartered in Minneapolis, this time it will be given to older workers a retirement package to offer something that Radisson Aruba normally not so soon. On the other hand, it is wait and see how many workers depart voluntarily, said the spokesman.
Last week made tourism branch that the Ahata known American tourist 20-25 percent fewer holidays has booked for next spring in Aruba than in the same period last year. In order to offset this decline, pulling the government and Ahata florin nearly 25 million extra for promotion.

[johan555]

new

Hotels on Aruba

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3887.0

[johan555]

new

Hotels on Aruba

marriott beach club

horrible experience
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3887.0

[LoRain]

"I want you to remember it is now your responsibility to watch out for yourself. Your parents aren't going to be around to watch over you anymore," Holloway said

[vms]

Credit to Pita for catching this.

It looks like Mala, IMO. I wonder if she was a member of the Pink Patrol. 

[Buckeye]

From posters in the subway systems of New York and Boston


Maybe a few bumper stickers, with Natalee's picture, to go over the posters??

I believe we have some NY and Boston members.

[johan555]

Was the Bangbus (Bangbros) also on Aruba ? yes i think so

Aruba Dirty Police :

Aruba: The Bangbus Is Speeding
Since I posted the story about Bangbus, the sites referencing someone specific are being taken down right now.

There is a guestbook:

http://www.paddock-aruba.com/dutch/gastenboek/

het was weer een topper gustere hey lub wanneer komen
de foto's op de site en ehhh die hazes toegift houwen
erin
robert de wit
Aruba
robertdewit83@hotmail.com
www.bangbus.com
27 Dec 2005
02:04:08

So was this BangBus on Aruba ??   

[Buckeye]

Posted today at BFN by GBMW:

I saw the promo for the new season Peter R. de Vries that will start soon....nothing about the content concerning the first show. But in the promo a lot of footage concerning the show with Joran + shots concerning winning the Emmy was used.

[Pita]

From David Wever's (boy on right) old Tickle Site......  Pay attention to the caption below the picture.  He's a known videographer on the island and had Natalee listed as a friend on his site.



bruce y ami ,chill dilanti royal plaza cu mi Bang Buss

[Pita]

David Wever hi5 site

http://www.hi5.com/friend/584378--David%2B--Profile-html

[Edward]

"As we frantically searched for our daughter, [Aruban officials] asked us not to disturb their crack houses, not to disturb their prostitutes and asked our family how much money we had," Holloway said.

What is that.. ?  " Do Not Disturb Our Crack Houses... "
What a discusting group of people that run Aruba..
All of them are drug dealers and pimps.
Sick people.

[SS]

http://media.www.smudailycampus.com/media/storage/paper949/news/2008/10/30/News/Beth-Holloway.Speaks.At.Smu-3514797.shtml

Beth Holloway Speaks at SMU
By: Johnny Brackett, Contributing Writer, jbracket@smu.edu
Posted: 10/30/08


For many graduating high school seniors, taking a trip after graduation is tradition. Parents watch as their children pack their bags to celebrate this landmark in their life. Many times, these parents will remind them to take safety precautions because they are going on a trip without them. They double-check that their children have remembered to bring the essentials: a toothbrush, extra underwear for freak accidents and in some cases, their passport. They see their children off and watch with glee as their pride and joy waltzes off to celebrate one of their largest accomplishments to date.

For Beth Holloway, this day was one of her proudest. Her daughter, Natalee, had recently graduated from high school with over a 4.0 grade point average, awarding her a full academic scholarship to the University of Alabama. She had just completed a dance career with her high school team and developed into a strikingly beautiful young woman. Holloway drove her daughter to a friend's house, where she would depart for the airport and fly to Aruba to celebrate graduation. She said her goodbyes to Natalee and watched as the dark silhouette of her daughter's body walked up the front path and went into the house. She didn't know at the time, but this would be the last time she would ever see her daughter.

Tuesday night, Beth Holloway, a woman who Barbara Walters selected as one of the world's most fascinating people, shared the tragic story of her daughter's kidnapping to SMU students at McFarlin Auditorium.

On May 30, 2005, the last day of her trip to Aruba, Natalee Holloway vanished. Sponsored by Pi Beta Phi and Hotel Palomar, Beth Holloway shared her story and how she has overcome such a huge obstacle. Liz Grayson, coordinator of the event and member of Pi Beta Phi, said Holloway's story is valuable to students.

"She has more courage than most people and after the tragic loss of her daughter, she has fought to increase awareness of a topic that is often overlooked," Grayson said.

Holloway said four days after dropping her daughter off for her senior trip, she received the phone call that parents dread. She was told that her daughter didn't arrive at the airport that morning. Holloway recalls quickly making arrangements to get to Aruba. Upon arrival, Holloway found Natalee's belongings neatly packed ready to return home. Natalee's friends said the last they saw her she was getting into a silver Honda outside Carlos' n' Charlie's, a popular nightclub in Aruba. This is the last living memory of her, Holloway said.

Holloway said that once she got to Aruba she followed a wild goose chase of tips from both officials and strangers. She spent days roaming the streets in search of her daughter. Holloway said the hardest part was trying to find her daughter in a country that does not honor the same laws as the United States. She said she was told of many possibilities of her daughter's whereabouts: in a Jeep, stowed away in a crack house, or even abducted and taken into slavery.

"As we frantically searched for our daughter, [Aruban officials] asked us not to disturb their crack houses, not to disturb their prostitutes and asked our family how much money we had," Holloway said.

For Holloway, trying to get help in this desperate situation was like being in another world, and in reality, she was. She said that despite all the tips and running around, Natalee was nowhere to be found.

Beginning to lose hope, Holloway said that she was descending to the lowest point the human spirit can fall. She recalls trying to find another way to survive the nightmare. The hope that she would find her daughter was rapidly becoming a fantasy, she said.

"I became resilient and decided I would pick up one foot, put it down, and the other would follow. There was much work that needed to be done for Natalee," Holloway said.

Holloway returned to the states where she was greeted with overwhelming support not just by her hometown community, but also from the entire nation and abroad. She said that magnificent things happen when people come together to support others. From volunteering to help with Holloway's search for answers to simply tying a yellow ribbon to their mailbox, vast amounts of people came to her aide, she said.

Just months ago, all of the hard work paid off. Holloway said she got the break she had been waiting for. The first and only suspect, Joran Van der Sloot, the driver of the silver Honda, confessed on a hidden camera to sexually assaulting Natalee. He said after she had a seizure he disposed of her body in the ocean. Holloway said she believes Natalee was given a date rape drug and overdosed, causing the seizures that Van der Sloot described.

Joran Van der Sloot is the son of an Aruban judge. Holloway said that despite his confession, the Aruban officials won't do anything against a judge's son because their system doesn't work like the United States'. Holloway compared Natalee's situation to The Wizard of Oz, saying that when you leave the United States, you are "not in Kansans anymore." Travelers must adhere to the customs of the country they are visiting, she said. Being a teacher, Holloway asked herself what she could do to teach others from her tragic lessons.

Since Natalee's disappearance, Holloway has founded TravelEd workshop. TravelEd is a program for college and high school students to teach about pre-departure education and safety. Holloway said that her daughter had a false sense of security among her many friends and was blind-sided. It is critically important to prepare for going abroad before leaving, she said. Her hope is that she can make TravelEd available to high schools everywhere.

"I want you to remember it is now your responsibility to watch out for yourself. Your parents aren't going to be around to watch over you anymore," Holloway said.

Students reacted to Holloway's story with emotion and sincerity. Megan Haslam, a junior public policy major and member of Pi Beta Phi, said that listening to Holloway's story was an eye-opening experience.

"It's devastating to hear that a family had to go through this. The important thing for those of us lucky enough to hear the story is to take the lessons Holloway is teaching to heart," Haslam said.

Holloway said that hope is what got her through such an upsetting experience. She said hope is a universal message that better times are ahead. It nourishes the soul just as food nourishes the body.

"The hope that filled her heart fills mine. It brought me here tonight and it will see me through tomorrow. Please remember that you have your own back [while travelling], and please remember Natalee," Holloway said in closing.

God bless you, Beth.  I hope that you can reach every young woman in the United States.  We are still searching for Natalee and we have your back.

[SS]

Posted today at BFN by GBMW:

I saw the promo for the new season Peter R. de Vries that will start soon....nothing about the content concerning the first show. But in the promo a lot of footage concerning the show with Joran + shots concerning winning the Emmy was used.

I hope this is the exposure of Paulass that Peter has alluded to.

[Dayhiker]

new

Hotels on Aruba

marriott beach club

horrible experience
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3887.0

I recommend checking out Johan's hotel thread. Not that any of you were planning a trip to Aruba, but the treatment of tourists by the hotels is every bit as nasty as the Aruba government treats victims of their criminals.

[Dayhiker]

Posted today at BFN by GBMW:

I saw the promo for the new season Peter R. de Vries that will start soon....nothing about the content concerning the first show. But in the promo a lot of footage concerning the show with Joran + shots concerning winning the Emmy was used.

I hope this is the exposure of Paulass that Peter has alluded to.

If he reveals that Paulus was pimping whores to the Dutch judges and Aruban government officials it's curtains. There's your corruption laid out for the world to see.