Natalee Case Discussion #772 10/26/08 thru 11/09/08

[Dayhiker]

This weekend Aruba gets the premiere of "Natalee. The Unrevealed Time Lines

Broadcast: Saturday, November 8 19.30 Tele Aruba.

but it is not on the program list 

i think they (vd Sloot & Gielen )must pay first 

LOL Johan! She has redefined the meaning of pay TV. She's paying to have others watch her crockumentary.

All that work, three years of it, and all Gielen has to show for it is an airing on two pipsqueak TV stations on Aruba and Curacao? We have suburbs bigger than both those islands combined. What a worthless waste of time by a worthless sack of shit.

[LoRain]

Johan...I forget what is DEN DOLDER?...TIA...

Nutfarm in Holland.

LOL....OK thanks Dayhiker...

[LoRain]

It's a wonder we aren't all Den Dolder after following this case so long... 

[SS]

Charles Croes...Back on October 8th, we discussed CC...and what Johan posted about Ruffner Page being his major friend appears to be incorrect. He was also discussed in Shango prior to this.

Charles' major friend appears to be Eric Williams who is a good friend of Julia Renfro's.All this was posted in the Charles Croes thread.

Post 2...it is long and I won't repost, but from all I found on this I believe this is how CC became involved.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1869.0

I also believe it was posted that Joran was picked up near the drive-in...CC's good friend Dr. Carlos Viana lives right there...his son Fernando Viana's name only popped up in the middle of Joran's 6/24 second PV, the one concerning Karen...

I believe that Fernando is the ISA student that left town before graduation...no proof, just where CC and Dr. Viana have led me!

I also believe there was a phone call to this area early on the morning of 5/30. It was posted in Shango that the Viana's live next door to the miniature village which has exotic animals...still looking for a Monkey!

Dr. Viana's business was registered on 5/30/2005...coincidence!

I have been following our friend Charles and have a lot of notes, but don't have time this week to post any of it.Sorry!...

Charles Croes is a major player in Natalee's case...JMO...John Charles Croes...Still looking for the connection...If he lived in Miami with his family, he was staying with some-one in Aruba!

Magnolia...This is Charles' third marriage from what we have found...Also he is heavily tied to the Hospitality/timeshare industry in Aruba...

Nice work, Mum.  And there is Eric Williams in the thick of things, again.

[SS]

On radio 3 here  :

The show will be devastating for both Joran and Paul.
The show will be devastating for both Joran and Paul.

I am hoping that someone will take some action once this show airs.  It will be up to the Dutch to make that move...what do you think? 

Let's hope that one of the American networks purchases the rights again.  The odds are probably pretty good since Peter won the Emmy for the last documentary.  Keep your fingers crossed because it did revive Natalee's case at least for a period of time.

[SS]

Girdle's fun and sun with the election is over, and btw - she did a horrible job, I couldn't even watch it... and now it's time to run back to Natalee for more ratings.

gawd I can't stand that young man woman!!!

Gertie's final chapter of the investigation bettah not include an exoneration of those four murdering and raping criminals. You just never know with her.

So has she visited Joran in exile? Ready to jump back on his bandwagon? Inquiring minds want to know. Hey Bro!

It sounds like she may have had a cup of coffee at Urine's new place of business.

[SS]

Klaas,TM or Pita...I think there is a site of Fernando's at the link above with his pic from back in October...If anyone has the Haunting Evidence sketch I would love to see a side by side

I don't access to my notes right now, but Fernando's parents' have an interesting New York history...Dr Viana is/was an important man...Still sifting through the chaff to see how far he and Charles go back...NY?

Charlierat claims to have lived near Dr Viana...this I believe was after Natalee disappeared, Charlie's posts...as I said sifting through the chaff...

If anyone has time, please have a look at the second 6/24 PV of Joran's and any explanation of Fernando's inclusion in that statement would be appreciated. This is the only mention of Fernando I can find other than the pic with Jillian from 9th. grade. We have Freddy, Freddy, Oops, maybe Fernando or Freddy, and back to Freddy, Freddy...

Mum, I think this is what you were looking for.....

WOW

[SS]

let me ask you - do you trust her or value her opinion? for me it's way past that point.

if she can shed some light on some new facts that WE have not seen, well, it will be worth, but if she is just going to interject more of her personal opinion - I can do wiffout those.

Let's all start here - WHAT THE HECK WAS IN THAT FISH TRAP?
WHO DENIM FABRIC WAS IT? WAS THAT A SKULL? WAS THAT A SHOE? WHERE IS THAT EVIDENCE? IF THAT WAS A SKULL - WHO'S WAS IT? WHY WAS TIM 99.9 PERCENT SURE THE FOUND NATALEE?

let's answer some questions still on the list and let's not get too ahead of ourselves Girdle.

I think that just declaring that Paulus and Joran are scumbags and Paulus picked Joran up at 4 am is not going to do anything. We all know that and the Supreme Court denied Paulus his compensation for TWO CONTACTS WITH NATALEE. Rehashing what has been out there is not doing Natalee justice and not moving this case to a final conclusion. WE ALL KNOW WHO DID WHAT AND WHO IS INVOLVED.

Whatever Godfather Peter R has in mind, it better be earth shattering - you know SHOCK THE WORLD kind of stuff or it's not gonna matter. Paulus is a criminal and content with everyone knowing that. His criminal wife could care less, his kids could care less, his employer could care less, the people of Aruba could care less.... so unless there is something that yanks him completely outta his skin, I'll reserve my right to be patient and not assume that anything new is GOING flip this house of cards.\

Yep, all of this isn't going to amount to a hill of beans if all we get is another obvious reason the Sloots are guilty. Sure, I want all the info we can get, but they have a confession from the bastard and haven't advanced the case one single nano-inch.

Rob, we already know the answers to these questions and this is the source of our frustration.  It's a matter of convincing the rest of the world.  Let's hope that Peter de Vries will make some big strides in this direction.

[always 1]

SS where does that guy fit in???  Ive heard of Freddy of course, but who is this??

[SS]

According to billybob/medleyrelay at RU, Greta flew to Thailand
in March and paid Joran $10,000 for an interview.
That is probably part of Greta's big story.

They are saying that Joran told Greta that Natalee was sold
into the sex trade in South America.  Surely Greta didn't believe him!

billybob/medley seems upset about Peter's show.
So it probably does have some news about Paulus.

And Urine continues to make money off of Natalee.

[always 1]

According to billybob/medleyrelay at RU, Greta flew to Thailand
in March and paid Joran $10,000 for an interview.
That is probably part of Greta's big story.

They are saying that Joran told Greta that Natalee was sold
into the sex trade in South America.  Surely Greta didn't believe him!

billybob/medley seems upset about Peter's show.
So it probably does have some news about Paulus.

And Urine continues to make money off of Natalee.

How does he benefit if he incarsenated???

[SS]

According to billybob/medleyrelay at RU, Greta flew to Thailand
in March and paid Joran $10,000 for an interview.
That is probably part of Greta's big story.

They are saying that Joran told Greta that Natalee was sold
into the sex trade in South America.  Surely Greta didn't believe him!

billybob/medley seems upset about Peter's show.
So it probably does have some news about Paulus.

 paid Joran $10,000 for an interview  ha ha do you think so ?
Joran is in DEN DOLDER

Johan - do we know for certain that Urine is in Den Dolder?  Has he been back and forth between the Netherlands and Thailand? 

[LoRain]

Disgusting......

[SS]

SS where does that guy fit in???  Ive heard of Freddy of course, but who is this??

Another possible perp.  Mum's been on his a$$.

[always 1]

SS where does that guy fit in???  Ive heard of Freddy of course, but who is this??

Another possible perp.  Mum's been on his a$$.

Ok, thanks.

[klaasend]

According to billybob/medleyrelay at RU, Greta flew to Thailand
in March and paid Joran $10,000 for an interview.
That is probably part of Greta's big story.

They are saying that Joran told Greta that Natalee was sold
into the sex trade in South America.  Surely Greta didn't believe him!

billybob/medley seems upset about Peter's show.
So it probably does have some news about Paulus.

And Urine continues to make money off of Natalee.

BUT - Medley is saying that Greta went to interview Joran in March.  Greta is acting as if she just recently went to Asia to interview "someone".

Me thinks that Medley is FOS yet again 

[texasmom]

Found this in tomorrow's Awe Mainta.  Uitspraak?  Anyone know if that means "sentencing", that's what should be happening per the prior article.

[klaasend]

She is pathetic:   

[Magnolia]

Didn't Deepak tell Skeeters that he wanted Fox to pay him
for an interview and Greta said that Fox did not pay for interviews?

[texasmom]

She is pathetic: