Natalee Case Discussion #772 10/26/08 thru 11/09/08

[johan555]

HILVERSUM - The Dutch investigation has this week heard a new witness in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
 The witness is/was a friend of Joran van der Sloot. According to crime reporter Peter R. de Vries confirms they are largely what Joran earlier in an undercover operation SBS6 even to Patrick van der river Eem said.

De Vries:,, Joran, according to its hint that he would be involved in the disappearance of Natalee and that the police in Aruba on a wrong track had put.''Police hearkened to the girlfriend a few times. ,, Even the last interrogation lasted five hours.''

De Vries has also forensic scientists to do research into the rough, more than nine hours continuous footage that was included in the undercover operation with Van der  Eem. ,, The scientists unanimously consider that the confessions of Joran about the disappearance of Natalee authentic. They certainly conclude that there are hardly any fabrication.''

A little confused here...Are we back to a friend/former girlfriend....And if so who is in the pic a few pages back...an older woman?  TIA

This is about the, until this week, girlfriend of Joran, who was, according to Peter de Vries, having a relationship with him for the last 3 yrs.
I didn`t read anywhere of her age so i think we don't know yet.

Didn't he have a girlfriend with long blonde hair?  There were pictures of them in a Dutch club and also on the beach in Aruba.

i think this witness was a kind of secret (older) girlfriend and she is not from Aruba
She was a few times a year at Aruba and also in Amsterdam when joran was in Diemen   

[SS]

According to everything I have just read...Joran has been living in Thailand for a while now with this girlfriend of his.  I don't think this would be Melody...I thought she was still in Aruba? 

Did I read Joran has a villa?  Is that a fancy place or just a fancy term for a typical house over there?  Anyone?

Lala's - there's a picture of it from one of the newspapers a few pages back.  It's white with a red roof.  It looks nicer than the house his parents live in. 

[Lala'sMom]

I thought it was a GF of Joran's for the past three years?  I am confused.

[johan555]

and you see her here with a blonde wig 

[SS]

How does he afford that place?

He sells women, he sells books and makes documentaries about a young American woman he killed, he makes money as a male prostitute, he sells drugs for his half-brother, he makes porn videos, and he gets hush oney from "the powers" in Aruba.

[johan555]

and you see her here with a blonde wig 

In holland we say you lean "it" on an old bike 

[johan555]

and you see her here with a blonde wig 

In holland we say you lean "it" on an old bike 

In holland we say you learn "it" on an old bike 

[johan555]

Gielens  live stream stopped! 

[texasmom]

Gielens  live stream stopped! 

 

Did you hear any of the show?   

[SS]

and you see her here with a blonde wig 

In holland we say you lean "it" on an old bike 

Urine is a disgusting pig.  I would love to set him up with Casey Anthony.  We could ask the Kalpoes to drive.  We're never going to see this jerk arrested because someone is going to take a hit out on him before we get a chance to arrest him.

Anita - how proud are you of your sporter, now???

[johan555]

you mean the documentary by my friend Renee Gielen? 
it is for the trash

[johan555]

I mailed brokers agencies in pattaya thailand where that house is

[johan555]

His price

His price for a Thai girl is ten thousand Euros. Included in the deal are letters and documents showing that she is going to the Netherlands for educational purposes, plus all necessary identification and travel papers, and the young woman herself, to be smuggled into the Netherlands and delivered to the purchaser.

Fresh deliveries can be made every week, guaranteed.

It is not known whether drugs and rape are part of the bargain.


Judging by the villa in Thailand in which he lives, business must be good. Booming, in fact.
The demand exceeds supply, and potential buyers in Holland abound.


Please note that Joran van der Sloot is well-brought-up, and from a good Dutch family, whose father is a respected lawyer. You can trust him.

[texasmom]

I mailed brokers agencies in pattaya thailand where that house is

Very good work Johan!  Enquiring minds want to know what you find out! 

[bastibro]

How does he afford that place?

He sells women, he sells books and makes documentaries about a young American woman he killed, he makes money as a male prostitute, he sells drugs for his half-brother, he makes porn videos, and he gets hush oney from "the powers" in Aruba.

Who says thats his house?  He only lives there, maybe he rents a room or something 

[bleachedblack]

I'm wondering about the connection between Joran and the perv Martin Van den Berg from Thailand?  Could Martin be the reason Joran is in Thailand?  

 
Quote from: klaasend on April 22, 2008, 10:38:45 PM
Posted by Obscuregoddess at RU (she claims to be internet friends with Joran )

I am not even going to state my opinion or knowledge or anything... Not going to get myself involved in any arguments because I am trying to stay in a good mood. i will say, for the record, this Martin guy was very "fond" of Joran... regardless of what may have or may not have happened where this is concerned. Martin is gay or bi, period. Nothing wrong with that. Just saying...  He is kind of acting like a scorned lover. IF Joran ripped him off, (as I said-- not going to state my opinion to preserve what sanity I have left today) Martin is behaving like someone who just got dumped or hurt by their significant other... revenge mode. No one should be excused for their roles in whatever they did wrong here, whether it be Joran or this guy... But man, oh man. Okay, I am hushing now.



Response to the above post by Lazlo at RU:

OG, acc. to Martin he and Joran had 2 years of intensive internet contact, so I guess Joran knew Martin being very "fond" of him.

Martin said while interviewed that Joran had told him that if he ever told anyone the things they discussed he would "stop it".

SBS showed a chatlog allegedly of Joran and Martin, who knows, maybe Martin kept logs of all their conversations and Schouten will become his representative.

Nothing would suprise me anymore in this case.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.820


 
 

I think there are two Martins.  Obscuregoddess was referring to the online money stealing from the Amsterdam Martin, not the Thailand Martin Van den Berg. There could be a connection with both, but I do think there are two Martins.  Pics of both posted here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2793.msg376491#msg376491

There is one Martin and one Marten.

[MumInOhio]

En ze is niet oud!

31 or 32 ?

Carmiña or Carmen she is from Willemstad Curacao

For Always1

Bastibro doesn't think she will be on the show tomorrow...she is around 31 or 32 and from Curacao...

[texasmom]

and you see her here with a blonde wig 

In holland we say you lean "it" on an old bike 

In holland we say you learn "it" on an old bike 

She reminds me of Anita....
except better hair... 

[MumInOhio]

HILVERSUM - The Dutch investigation has this week heard a new witness in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
 The witness is/was a friend of Joran van der Sloot. According to crime reporter Peter R. de Vries confirms they are largely what Joran earlier in an undercover operation SBS6 even to Patrick van der river Eem said.

De Vries:,, Joran, according to its hint that he would be involved in the disappearance of Natalee and that the police in Aruba on a wrong track had put.''Police hearkened to the girlfriend a few times. ,, Even the last interrogation lasted five hours.''

De Vries has also forensic scientists to do research into the rough, more than nine hours continuous footage that was included in the undercover operation with Van der  Eem. ,, The scientists unanimously consider that the confessions of Joran about the disappearance of Natalee authentic. They certainly conclude that there are hardly any fabrication.''

So, does this mean that the forensic teams that works for deVries is convinced that Urine had Natalee on the beach, she had a seizure, and he asked Daury to throw her in the ocean?  Nonsense.

Well said...Nonesense!

[MumInOhio]

HILVERSUM - The Dutch investigation has this week heard a new witness in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
 The witness is/was a friend of Joran van der Sloot. According to crime reporter Peter R. de Vries confirms they are largely what Joran earlier in an undercover operation SBS6 even to Patrick van der river Eem said.

De Vries:,, Joran, according to its hint that he would be involved in the disappearance of Natalee and that the police in Aruba on a wrong track had put.''Police hearkened to the girlfriend a few times. ,, Even the last interrogation lasted five hours.''

De Vries has also forensic scientists to do research into the rough, more than nine hours continuous footage that was included in the undercover operation with Van der  Eem. ,, The scientists unanimously consider that the confessions of Joran about the disappearance of Natalee authentic. They certainly conclude that there are hardly any fabrication.''

A little confused here...Are we back to a friend/former girlfriend....And if so who is in the pic a few pages back...an older woman?  TIA

This is about the, until this week, girlfriend of Joran, who was, according to Peter de Vries, having a relationship with him for the last 3 yrs.
I didn`t read anywhere of her age so i think we don't know yet.

Didn't he have a girlfriend with long blonde hair?  There were pictures of them in a Dutch club and also on the beach in Aruba.

SS...Fabienne...