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« Reply #1400 on: October 22, 2008, 11:24:22 PM »

This is my first post since joining, but I will have to admit I have been "lurking" since this case first started. I, like the rest of you have become totally obbessed with this case.  You have been talking about the text to Tony about "if they NEVER find her, guess who will spend eternity in jail".  As has been mentioned before, everything she says has a little bit of truth in it.  My first thought on seeing that statement was: Take the N out of never and what do you get EVER.  (A little bit of truth) ...does this make sense?
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« Reply #1401 on: October 22, 2008, 11:25:27 PM »

Sorry, but while I'm getting out my frustrations, I just have to add this.

Richard Grunds pity party for KC. 

Mr. Grund not only did your loving KC decieve your son on the paternity of her child but she stole from him, cheated on him and used him.  I can see the Anthony's implicating Jesse in the murder now too.  If your son had nothing to do with KCs dissapearance I suggest you start directing your sympathy's towards where it belongs... your son.  If he doesn't learn what a self centered, manipulating, dangerous woman is with this experience than I think his future happiness is at risk.  JMO
   

marymary ... I responded to this post in my previous post.  I quoted the wrong post.

Janet
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Janet,

I've listed tons of inconsistencies in JG's transcripts, etc. in previous posts, but to no avail on this board.  I don't know why no one else is noticing the obvious, but I've given up on trying to sway this group.  Everyone seems more interested in going off on wild tangents instead of examining the facts. JG keeps popping up all over in this case; I even read the other day that he may have been in the Anthony home after Casey's original arrest with Lee, and he possibly had access to Casey's things and/or computer.  In my opinion, JG has tried to distort the timeline from Day 1, and we still don't know why he left his LE job. 


THANK YOU!!!

Iris ... I have found discrepancies with Jesse's account too.

Starting with Casey's three minute cell call to Jesse in the flurry of cell calls on June 16th ... something did not set right with me.

Richard Grund tells Geraldo that Jesse claims Casey call him and complained about Tony ... her current boyfriend.  However Jesse has a different account of that call in his Geraldo interview.  He claims Casey and him talked about everything under the sun.  Iris ... it was  three minutes between Casey call to Jesse and ... her call to her Mother's cell.

Then there are discrepancies in Jesse's police statements and ... then when you compare these statements with his Today Show interview ...

 

I am going to attempt to compile a list of these discrepancies with backup links and ... post it.

Maybe you could do the same.

Janet 

Yes, the phone call on June 16th got me suspicious, he never mentioned it in his interviews with LE, then it seemed like RG lied about it and said they talked about way too much for a 3 minute phone call. Then we found out later, that the call to JG was the only call in the string of calls that was answered. Then, it seems like JG purposely threw off the timeline on the phone call he did talk about (June 24th of so?), by saying he heard Caylee, then of course, was later not sure.  I can't remember all the other inconsistencies I noted.  Do you know a way to find my previous posts, I believe all the JG posts I made were on 1 Sunday about a month ago?

JG said Casey called him to try to cheer him up when he left his job.  Why would he need to be cheered up if he quit?  Suspicious timing of leaving his job; and did he move to Atlanta?

Lots of phone calls between him and Casey in phone records.  Way more than I expected to see.  Of course the shower at his apartment is weird.  Did he mention it incase she was seen going there by someone else?

Not sure if it is true he was at the Anthony house after Casey's first arrest.  Supposedly JG and Lee were up to something?  Sounds weird.  I'm not sure where I read that, I thought it was from a Cindy transcript.

And it seems like RG is always trying to confuse the story, and the timeline, with his crazy stories. I'm an auditor or small businesses, governments, etc.  These oddities pop right out at me.  Either JG is working with LE, or he had to have inadvertently helped Casey without knowing, or he helped her knowingly. 

What confuses me is is that Kimberly G, Nancy, Geraldo all treat JG with respect; maybe they know he is still working with LE?  Or is it because he "passed" the lie detector test?  Maybe he made a deal with LE?  Something is weird there.

Sorry, that's all I can think of. I'll try to find my earlier posts.
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« Reply #1402 on: October 22, 2008, 11:25:31 PM »

Cindy had it out for jesse from day 1 if you ask me.  Why would she be making notes about him when he came over to help.  Then all she was saying in the LE interviews about jesse.  LE told her flat out that Jesse didnt have anything to do with Caylees disappearance and that her daughter did.
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« Reply #1403 on: October 22, 2008, 11:26:07 PM »

This is my first post since joining, but I will have to admit I have been "lurking" since this case first started. I, like the rest of you have become totally obbessed with this case.  You have been talking about the text to Tony about "if they NEVER find her, guess who will spend eternity in jail".  As has been mentioned before, everything she says has a little bit of truth in it.  My first thought on seeing that statement was: Take the N out of never and what do you get EVER.  (A little bit of truth) ...does this make sense?
I hope I am doing this right and it post like it should!  LOL

You "done" good!

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« Reply #1404 on: October 22, 2008, 11:26:35 PM »

Goodnight Monkeys and sweet dreams to all!  

'night Dolce.

Me too. Night everyone- my head hurts
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« Reply #1405 on: October 22, 2008, 11:28:37 PM »

Sorry, but while I'm getting out my frustrations, I just have to add this.

Richard Grunds pity party for KC. 

Mr. Grund not only did your loving KC decieve your son on the paternity of her child but she stole from him, cheated on him and used him.  I can see the Anthony's implicating Jesse in the murder now too.  If your son had nothing to do with KCs dissapearance I suggest you start directing your sympathy's towards where it belongs... your son.  If he doesn't learn what a self centered, manipulating, dangerous woman is with this experience than I think his future happiness is at risk.  JMO
   

marymary ... I responded to this post in my previous post.  I quoted the wrong post.

Janet
Thanks Janet ....I was wondering but it's all good...


Janet,

I've listed tons of inconsistencies in JG's transcripts, etc. in previous posts, but to no avail on this board.  I don't know why no one else is noticing the obvious, but I've given up on trying to sway this group.  Everyone seems more interested in going off on wild tangents instead of examining the facts. JG keeps popping up all over in this case; I even read the other day that he may have been in the Anthony home after Casey's original arrest with Lee, and he possibly had access to Casey's things and/or computer.  In my opinion, JG has tried to distort the timeline from Day 1, and we still don't know why he left his LE job. 


THANK YOU!!!

Iris ... I have found discrepancies with Jesse's account too.

Starting with Casey's three minute cell call to Jesse in the flurry of cell calls on June 16th ... something did not set right with me.

Richard Grund tells Geraldo that Jesse claims Casey call him and complained about Tony ... her current boyfriend.  However Jesse has a different account of that call in his Geraldo interview.  He claims Casey and him talked about everything under the sun.  Iris ... it was  three minutes between Casey call to Jesse and ... her call to her Mother's cell.

Then there are discrepancies in Jesse's police statements and ... then when you compare these statements with his Today Show interview ...

 

I am going to attempt to compile a list of these discrepancies with backup links and ... post it.

Maybe you could do the same.

Janet 

Yes, the phone call on June 16th got me suspicious, he never mentioned it in his interviews with LE, then it seemed like RG lied about it and said they talked about way too much for a 3 minute phone call. Then we found out later, that the call to JG was the only call in the string of calls that was answered. Then, it seems like JG purposely threw off the timeline on the phone call he did talk about (June 24th of so?), by saying he heard Caylee, then of course, was later not sure.  I can't remember all the other inconsistencies I noted.  Do you know a way to find my previous posts, I believe all the JG posts I made were on 1 Sunday about a month ago?

JG said Casey called him to try to cheer him up when he left his job.  Why would he need to be cheered up if he quit?  Suspicious timing of leaving his job; and did he move to Atlanta?

Lots of phone calls between him and Casey in phone records.  Way more than I expected to see.  Of course the shower at his apartment is weird.  Did he mention it incase she was seen going there by someone else?

Not sure if it is true he was at the Anthony house after Casey's first arrest.  Supposedly JG and Lee were up to something?  Sounds weird.  I'm not sure where I read that, I thought it was from a Cindy transcript.

And it seems like RG is always trying to confuse the story, and the timeline, with his crazy stories. I'm an auditor or small businesses, governments, etc.  These oddities pop right out at me.  Either JG is working with LE, or he had to have inadvertently helped Casey without knowing, or he helped her knowingly. 

What confuses me is is that Kimberly G, Nancy, Geraldo all treat JG with respect; maybe they know he is still working with LE?  Or is it because he "passed" the lie detector test?  Maybe he made a deal with LE?  Something is weird there.

Sorry, that's all I can think of. I'll try to find my earlier posts.

Iris, go to your profile page.  Scroll down and you'll see a link to click for your latest posts.  It will have all you've made.
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« Reply #1406 on: October 22, 2008, 11:28:40 PM »

Is it the general consensus that the guy who came forward to say he saw a woman who looked like Casey with a bag and a shovel and coming out of a wooded area --- is he deemed credible?

I don't know about anybody else, but for me he had way too many details, especially since he couldn't get his buddy Jimmy to stop. So they rolled by? Long enough for him to see her come out of the woods, with the bag and the shovel, wearing the straw hat, and the red sunglasses and walk all the way to the trunk, and open it up, almost knocking her hat off? 

Maybe I just have listened to so many lies from the Anthony's mouths that I am now suspicious of everyone.

I would love for it to be true, but it doesn't quite seem to fit.
I totally agree!
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« Reply #1407 on: October 22, 2008, 11:28:54 PM »

Is it the general consensus that the guy who came forward to say he saw a woman who looked like Casey with a bag and a shovel and coming out of a wooded area --- is he deemed credible?

I do not find this guy credible. To detailed of a discription, for having such a brief chance eincounter. Remember: He said his friend would not stop. So this guy absorbed all this detail on the "Fly"??  He really described nothing that has not already been reported, and known by many.

Does anyone know the speed limit on the road in question?
55mph although people go around 65.

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« Reply #1408 on: October 22, 2008, 11:29:29 PM »

Klaas, I'm sorry to be asking you for this but I am so sleepy and don't have many clicks left...lol

I was wanting to glance at the list of things Casey could buy with her funds in jail.  I found where you mentioned a PDF file but I haven't located the file itself.

TIA

In this thread, pg. 66, reply #1314. at the bottom of Klaas's post, in little blue letters

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« Reply #1409 on: October 22, 2008, 11:29:39 PM »

For me, it seemd strange that even tho KC and Jesse were broken up and broken up badly that there was so much contact. And it wasn't all one way, KC phoning Jesse when something went wrong, like the tires.

If the contact was maintained because of Caylee, then why hadn't he seen Caylee since the beginning of the year ? 

How could he think for one instance he was the Dad when she had Caylee, can't he count backwards nine eight, etc ?





Their relationship just seemed SOOOO unhealthy from the beginning! I'm not surprised that they kept up contact. And I'm not surprised that he didn't see Caylee because Cindy didn't like him. So they kept their distance, but still managed an unhealthy "on call" kind of friendship. As for the counting backwards... He insisted on a DNA test. He knew enough about Casey and math to figure out that his chances of being the dad were slim. IMO Jee, I don't want to defend JG. I'm not 100% sure ANY person in this case is 100% innocent!!!
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« Reply #1410 on: October 22, 2008, 11:30:45 PM »

This is my first post since joining, but I will have to admit I have been "lurking" since this case first started. I, like the rest of you have become totally obbessed with this case.  You have been talking about the text to Tony about "if they NEVER find her, guess who will spend eternity in jail".  As has been mentioned before, everything she says has a little bit of truth in it.  My first thought on seeing that statement was: Take the N out of never and what do you get EVER.  (A little bit of truth) ...does this make sense?
I hope I am doing this right and it post like it should!  LOL

Hi georgia peach and welcome to Scared Monkeys
 
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« Reply #1411 on: October 22, 2008, 11:31:20 PM »

Cindy had it out for jesse from day 1 if you ask me.  Why would she be making notes about him when he came over to help.  Then all she was saying in the LE interviews about jesse.  LE told her flat out that Jesse didnt have anything to do with Caylees disappearance and that her daughter did.
I wonder why she pointed toward jesse from the beginning. What does she know/hear about him that would make him a suspect in her mind? i personally don't think he has anything to do with it and that maybe casey has told lies about him to her parents.. sociopaths have a way of always trying to look like a victim or making someone else look like the villian no matter what the situation, in my experience
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« Reply #1412 on: October 22, 2008, 11:32:00 PM »

WELCOME Georgia Peach!!!!
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« Reply #1413 on: October 22, 2008, 11:32:12 PM »

Sorry, but while I'm getting out my frustrations, I just have to add this.

Richard Grunds pity party for KC. 

Mr. Grund not only did your loving KC decieve your son on the paternity of her child but she stole from him, cheated on him and used him.  I can see the Anthony's implicating Jesse in the murder now too.  If your son had nothing to do with KCs dissapearance I suggest you start directing your sympathy's towards where it belongs... your son.  If he doesn't learn what a self centered, manipulating, dangerous woman is with this experience than I think his future happiness is at risk.  JMO
   

marymary ... I responded to this post in my previous post.  I quoted the wrong post.

Janet
Thanks Janet ....I was wondering but it's all good...


Janet,

I've listed tons of inconsistencies in JG's transcripts, etc. in previous posts, but to no avail on this board.  I don't know why no one else is noticing the obvious, but I've given up on trying to sway this group.  Everyone seems more interested in going off on wild tangents instead of examining the facts. JG keeps popping up all over in this case; I even read the other day that he may have been in the Anthony home after Casey's original arrest with Lee, and he possibly had access to Casey's things and/or computer.  In my opinion, JG has tried to distort the timeline from Day 1, and we still don't know why he left his LE job. 


THANK YOU!!!

Iris ... I have found discrepancies with Jesse's account too.

Starting with Casey's three minute cell call to Jesse in the flurry of cell calls on June 16th ... something did not set right with me.

Richard Grund tells Geraldo that Jesse claims Casey call him and complained about Tony ... her current boyfriend.  However Jesse has a different account of that call in his Geraldo interview.  He claims Casey and him talked about everything under the sun.  Iris ... it was  three minutes between Casey call to Jesse and ... her call to her Mother's cell.

Then there are discrepancies in Jesse's police statements and ... then when you compare these statements with his Today Show interview ...

 

I am going to attempt to compile a list of these discrepancies with backup links and ... post it.

Maybe you could do the same.

Janet 

Yes, the phone call on June 16th got me suspicious, he never mentioned it in his interviews with LE, then it seemed like RG lied about it and said they talked about way too much for a 3 minute phone call. Then we found out later, that the call to JG was the only call in the string of calls that was answered. Then, it seems like JG purposely threw off the timeline on the phone call he did talk about (June 24th of so?), by saying he heard Caylee, then of course, was later not sure.  I can't remember all the other inconsistencies I noted.  Do you know a way to find my previous posts, I believe all the JG posts I made were on 1 Sunday about a month ago?

JG said Casey called him to try to cheer him up when he left his job.  Why would he need to be cheered up if he quit?  Suspicious timing of leaving his job; and did he move to Atlanta?

Lots of phone calls between him and Casey in phone records.  Way more than I expected to see.  Of course the shower at his apartment is weird.  Did he mention it incase she was seen going there by someone else?

Not sure if it is true he was at the Anthony house after Casey's first arrest.  Supposedly JG and Lee were up to something?  Sounds weird.  I'm not sure where I read that, I thought it was from a Cindy transcript.

And it seems like RG is always trying to confuse the story, and the timeline, with his crazy stories. I'm an auditor or small businesses, governments, etc.  These oddities pop right out at me.  Either JG is working with LE, or he had to have inadvertently helped Casey without knowing, or he helped her knowingly. 

What confuses me is is that Kimberly G, Nancy, Geraldo all treat JG with respect; maybe they know he is still working with LE?  Or is it because he "passed" the lie detector test?  Maybe he made a deal with LE?  Something is weird there.

Sorry, that's all I can think of. I'll try to find my earlier posts.
did jesse take two polygraphs....passing the first and failing the second??
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« Reply #1414 on: October 22, 2008, 11:32:13 PM »

Richard Grund had to tell Jesse that Casey was preggers. Jesse bought the " female troubles " line.
I do not for one moment think Jesse was involved in some sinister plot with KC.
But, I really think he sees what he wants to see and he knows something
that he hasn't come to grips with. He thinks that Cindy exerted the control on KC, yet it was because she met someone else, Brandon that they split up. Also, he tries to shift blame onto Tony as that's when things went wrong. Things were never right for KC.
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He perhaps gave her a ride during that time period.
KC did alot of booty calls, was Jesse one of them ? 
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« Reply #1415 on: October 22, 2008, 11:32:17 PM »

Jesse  did not resign willingly. He was asked to resign.
Couldn't cut the mustard, I guess. Not doing a good job.
Regardless, they didn't want to keep him on.
WHY ? Here, once they are thru the Academy, there are in. What's his problem ? Gotta have one OCSD spotted it.
Jesse knew about her drinking, Tony , the other cop said Jesse brought her to the bar where the other police guys were like a trophy, then she drank so much, he carried her outta the bar. Nice candidate for a future wife of a cop.
If it was a bad fit, shouldn't he have been weeded out sooner ?
I really think the Grund family sticking up for Casey is overdone.
The " good Mother " routine is also wearing thin.
No one ever saw her hit the kid. Therefore, she is a good Mother ?
 

RG said JG left his job because he saw everything in black and white, and it wasn't a good fit (not sure if those are exact words, but that's close).  LE in a JG interview said, "Let's not pick that wound again" or something to that effect when talking about JG leaving the force.  The timing his leaving is so suspicious; can it really be a coincidence?
was it stated that jg passed his first polygraph but failed the second?

I never saw anything on a 2nd polygraph.  Do you know where you saw/heard that?
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« Reply #1416 on: October 22, 2008, 11:33:32 PM »

Klaas, I'm sorry to be asking you for this but I am so sleepy and don't have many clicks left...lol

I was wanting to glance at the list of things Casey could buy with her funds in jail.  I found where you mentioned a PDF file but I haven't located the file itself.

TIA

In this thread, pg. 66, reply #1314. at the bottom of Klaas's post, in little blue letters



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« Reply #1417 on: October 22, 2008, 11:33:45 PM »


Does anyone remember what he said in the 20/20 segment way back when he wished to remain anoynomous?

Is the following interview what you were referry to kerryjean.  Jesse is not anonymous but ... I do not recall any other interview that Jesse did with 20/20 NBC.

I could be wrong ... story of my life.

Janet

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Ex-fiancé to missing tot’s mom: ‘Tell the truth’
He points to a personality change in Casey Anthony, now named a suspect

By Mike Celizic
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updated 6:38 a.m. PT, Thurs., Oct. 2, 2008


Casey Anthony’s former fiancé appealed to the mother of missing Orlando toddler Caylee Anthony to stop lying about what happened to her daughter.

“Casey, tell the truth. This isn’t about you anymore. This is about Caylee,” Jesse Grund said at the end of an interview with TODAY’s Matt Lauer Thursday in New York. “Stop dragging people’s lives through this. Stop destroying people’s lives and tell the truth. What happened to Caylee?”

Grund spoke out a day after law enforcement officials in Florida named the 22-year-old Anthony the sole suspect in the June disappearance of Caylee, who would now be 3. Police are treating the case as a homicide.

Not the father, but like one
Grund talked about the bright and witty 19-year-old he fell in love with three years ago, his involvement in Caylee’s life when she was an infant, and the dramatic change that came over Anthony in the time just before Caylee disappeared in June.

Interview tapes released by Orlando police show Cindy Anthony telling authorities that she felt that Grund was responsible for Caylee’s disappearance.

“My number one suspect has been Jesse all along," Cindy Anthony tells a detective, who replies: “We know that Jesse doesn't have Caylee." Grund confirmed that he has taken a polygraph test to clear his name, and told Lauer he’s been cooperating in the investigation into the disappearance of the little girl.

When Casey Anthony became pregnant with Caylee, she initially told Grund that he was the father. Even though he didn’t think it was possible — they had broken up before she became pregnant — he involved himself with Caylee and treated her like a daughter.

“I petitioned for a paternity test, and there was zero percent probability” that he was the father, he told Lauer. He also explained why he took a paternal interest in Caylee when she was born: “My attitude was, until the paternity test comes out, I’m not going waste time or miss out if this really is my child.”

A different Casey
Casey Anthony never graduated from high school, but when Grund met her he was immediately attracted to a beautiful young woman full of life.

“When I first met her, she carried herself not like a 19-year-old girl — we were 19 when we met,” Grund told Lauer. “She was very energetic. She had a sarcastic sense of humor. She’s very smart. She was very fun to be around. She was just the type of person that everyone was attracted to.”

Since the disappearance, Casey Anthony has been portrayed as almost a pathological liar. Police interview tapes show detectives telling her that everything she told them about the disappearance had proved to be lies. Lauer asked Grund if he saw evidence of that.

“At the very end of our relationship, absolutely,” Grund replied. “At the very end, she started to lie about things. I was one of the ones she stole money from. She stole $250 from me, and then made up an excuse why she couldn’t pay me back, or made up excuses why she couldn’t be places with me. I found out she was actually seeing someone else at the end of our relationship.”

It was a radical change from the young woman he had been briefly engaged to.

“She was a very good mother, Matt,” Grund said. “She was very doting. She was devoted. Caylee was the center of her universe.”

Changing lifestyle
Lauer asked if he saw any indication that Casey Anthony was having trouble coping with being a single mother.

“Absolutely not. No, not at the beginning,” Grund said, “Not when Caylee was a baby. There was no indication she was having any problems being a mother.”

Casey Anthony has been portrayed as a woman more interested in partying than in being a mother, but Grund repeated that in the beginning, she wasn’t like that at all.

“She was very much into being a homebody and loyal, and she was wanting to spend the rest of our lives together,” he said. He traced the transformation in Casey Anthony to when she formed a closer relationship with her mother, from whom she had previously distanced herself.

“She started to pull away, and it started to become about her,” Grund said. “She started to party and drink — this lifestyle that now we’ve seen pictures of out there. And then the lying started to come … [When] she started becoming close with her mother, it started a transformation.”

Lauer asked Grund if he could envision Casey Anthony harming her child.

“The Casey that I knew, no,” he said. “But … who knows the real Casey? I think only she does. I think her personality has been so changed and molded over the years, I don’t even know if she knows who she is.”

The little girl disappeared in early June, but Casey Anthony didn’t tell anyone for nearly five weeks. Cindy Anthony called police to report the disappearance after being hit with a strong smell of rotting flesh in her daughter’s car, which she said she left in a store parking lot when it ran out of gas. Cindy Anthony has since become her daughter’s biggest defender.

Cadaver dogs have detected the odor of death in the car and in the yard of the home in which Casey Anthony lived. She and her mother have attributed the odor at various times to a pizza left in the car and to dead squirrels.

Police have arrested Casey Anthony three times on various charges, including forging checks and obstruction of justice. She is now living with her parents and is under house arrest.

Addressing his ex-fiancé directly, Grund said: “We’re all done with having to listen to your lies and your stories that make no sense over and over and over again. So tell the truth about what happened.”

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« Reply #1418 on: October 22, 2008, 11:35:09 PM »

Cindy had it out for jesse from day 1 if you ask me.  Why would she be making notes about him when he came over to help.  Then all she was saying in the LE interviews about jesse.  LE told her flat out that Jesse didnt have anything to do with Caylees disappearance and that her daughter did.
I wonder why she pointed toward jesse from the beginning. What does she know/hear about him that would make him a suspect in her mind? i personally don't think he has anything to do with it and that maybe casey has told lies about him to her parents.. sociopaths have a way of always trying to look like a victim or making someone else look like the villian no matter what the situation, in my experience

Well Cindy did tell LE that Casey told her to stay away from Jesse.  I think Casey said that because Jesse had caught her lying so many times she didnt want jesse spilling the dirt on her to her mother. 
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« Reply #1419 on: October 22, 2008, 11:36:38 PM »

Klaas, I'm sorry to be asking you for this but I am so sleepy and don't have many clicks left...lol

I was wanting to glance at the list of things Casey could buy with her funds in jail.  I found where you mentioned a PDF file but I haven't located the file itself.

TIA

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