Lively Case Discussion #527 9/26 - 9/29/2006

[Sam]

After all these months and what we have all learned about Aruba’s prehistoric attitude toward women, my thoughts are that Joran was trying to minimize the importance of this little blonde girl from America in the eyes of those boulder headed cops.  Plus, there seems to be a little braggadocio in the punk’s words.

Off topic, For many years I was a Surgical technologist. Our lounge was a shared lounge. Meaning both the Surgeons and the Nurses shared it with seperate locker rooms. There was a bulletin board in there. So one day in the 70's a notice apeared on the bulletin board about sexual harrassment. Sort of what it was and how to report it.

We had this one joker surgeon who wrote beneath the notice.
[/b]Screw them if they can't take a joke I was in the lounge at the time he wrote it and I said" Oh my God, that looks like my handwriting." So he signed my name. LOL

[San]

According to the Dutch posters at Refugees, Jensen just announced on his show a few minutes ago that Beth will be on his show tomorrow.  

Is this show taped a day before?  Isn't Beth on Nancy Grace tomorrow?

Yes, but don't forget the time difference.  Right now is tonight in Holland.  So at about 2pm PST Beth should be on Jensen's show.  NG does not come on until 5pm PST.  My guess is Beth has taped the show with Jensen and then Nancy Grace will video her in from Holland live.

Klaas I just wanted to say you are right Beth will be on Nancy Grace live from the Netherlands.

[Kat_Gram]

It was only a couple of hundred bucks or florins. Nothing real big.
The amount of interference by Paulus is what my point was.
And that money was won on the Monday, according to Joran's statements.  For all I know, maybe he went home and stole it outta Paulus's wallet. There was the part that was in Dos Santos statement about a trip home that Joran made with Guido.

[crazybabyborg]

Mrs. Red,
I've missed everybody.
I'm sure the monkeys had it nailed within a year ago! Now if we could just figure out how to get Aruba/Holland to hold the guilty ones accountable!

PS: The movie is solved and more is posted.  

[mrs. red]

Mrs. Red,
I've missed everybody.
I'm sure the monkeys had it nailed within a year ago! Now if we could just figure out how to get Aruba/Holland to hold the guilty ones accountable!

PS: The movie is solved and more is posted.  

Well I got my theory about her being run over from reading you and Tyler and Anna and AzLady I think that worked on the back seat of the van statements....

[Kat_Gram]

You are so right  CBB ! ! !
Why can't they see it  ?
How any one, including those bad side of town women ( you all know who I am talking about ) could look at that and defend him is beyond me. Most of them are not silly little girls, but grown up women with kids Joran's age.

[Easywriter]

Many of these people and their culture really bother me.  I understand the easygoing island mentality found in many places, but this chit goes way over the top!  Some moral values have to be instilled at an early age so there is a foundation upon which to build character.  That ain’t happening on that friggin island.

I also read somewhere about some outfit building and buying casinos in Aruba and lining up entertainment.  Jimmy Buffet was mentioned as a possible headliner.  If that has any truth to it, we all need to have a talk with that Alabama boy!

[oldfart]

Old Fart, I went to that link and must be a dunce because it said Paulus changing story but the story there was all about Charles Croes.

One other thing, in a couple of those early statements of Joran to the investigators, Joran describes all the sexual activity with Natalee. It sounded to me like he was getting a kick out of describing this. Like maybe he was trying to make the investigators jealous.

Also in the link to the Charles Croes interview, I really do get the impression that Joran really does not recognise Natalee per sey. She is just one more American tourist and they all look alike to him. JMHO

By the way we all need an edit button. LOL

SAM

Not sure why Fox  named it that way...except by then the 2nd story was in full swing..
I hope this makes some since ...
I think Natalee was getting a ride back to the hotel from someone staying there too.  
Sometime during that ride.. it gets prolonged by the boys asking would you like to see Sharks or the Lighthouse at night before we go to the hotel.
AND
I have a gut feeling that the HI. drop off story is the 2nd story not the 1st.
The beach drop off is the 1st. story fabricated 05/30 in the early am.

Why?
If we are correct they had to have a story ready... Monday or Tueday something simple for Natalee being missing.. "I left her on the beach"

BUT when Beth & company showed up so early they had to buy time with a new story.
The Kaalpoes interview of 5/31 have reference to the beach drop off in that they are asked if Joran got out with Natalee there.

I assume Joran mentioned it in his interview earlier the same day BUT we do not have his interivew.  If HE DID mention it WHY?  
Turth or part of the cover story that was already in place.
If he did not mention it Why the hell did the police ask about it?

Think about it..
you have a simple story that needs a day or so to happen and then you have BOOTS on the ground & in your face.

I'm at the point with Satish asking how the gril was.. that they left her alive some place and maybe even with someone  or at least close to other people that the blame could fall on.

But Pappa in now aware that their story will not hold chit and gets involved.

JMO of course

[crazybabyborg]

If I promise not to ask everything I'd need to know to catch up, can I just ask why Beth is in the Netherlands? TIA

[mrs. red]

If I promise not to ask everything I'd need to know to catch up, can I just ask why Beth is in the Netherlands? TIA

She is there giving an interview with Jensen...

[crazybabyborg]

If I promise not to ask everything I'd need to know to catch up, can I just ask why Beth is in the Netherlands? TIA

She is there giving an interview with Jensen...

Thank you!!  

[mrs. red]

If I promise not to ask everything I'd need to know to catch up, can I just ask why Beth is in the Netherlands? TIA

She is there giving an interview with Jensen...

Thank you!!  

He is like their verision of Greta.... I guess..

[klaasend]

If I promise not to ask everything I'd need to know to catch up, can I just ask why Beth is in the Netherlands? TIA

She is there giving an interview with Jensen...

Thank you!!  

He is like their verision of Greta.... I guess..

Honestly, I think his show is normally NOT serious.  I did see one serious interview on his website though.  The good news is that as of yesterday, Beth said his people were treating her very nicely.  

Because of the time difference, the show will air tomorrow late afternoon for most of you.  There are several Dutch posters on various sites that plan on watching it so we should know by this time tomorrow how it went.  Jensen should also have the taped show on his website in a couple of days.

[oldfart]

Mrs Red

Could you let Crazybabyborg know that I thought of here (and others) with this grpahic
 

TIA

[LilPuma]

Old Fart, I went to that link and must be a dunce because it said Paulus changing story but the story there was all about Charles Croes.

One other thing, in a couple of those early statements of Joran to the investigators, Joran describes all the sexual activity with Natalee. It sounded to me like he was getting a kick out of describing this. Like maybe he was trying to make the investigators jealous.

Also in the link to the Charles Croes interview, I really do get the impression that Joran really does not recognise Natalee per sey. She is just one more American tourist and they all look alike to him. JMHO

By the way we all need an edit button. LOL

After all these months and what we have all learned about Aruba’s prehistoric attitude toward women, my thoughts are that Joran was trying to minimize the importance of this little blonde girl from America in the eyes of those boulder headed cops.  Plus, there seems to be a little braggadocio in the punk’s words.

Exactly - like telling us several times how much he can drink while the American kids that come there can't handle it.  I'm surprised he's not portrayed like a national hero - tickertape parade and all when he comes home from Holland since his behavior is condoned, excused or blamed on others.

[mrs. red]

O/T the girl in CO died...the one that was held hostage.

[crazybabyborg]

Why, thank you Oldfart!

[mrs. red]

Why, thank you Oldfart!

y'all are making me blush...

[crazybabyborg]

O/T the girl in CO died...the one that was held hostage.

So sad..........so needlessly cruel.

[oldfart]

Why, thank you Oldfart!

y'all are making me blush...

No..If I post the full graphic... not just one frame you will Blush