Lively Case Discussion #527 9/26 - 9/29/2006

[friend of monkeys]

Hey Monkeys ... briefly spoke with Beth tonight ... actually late this afternoon. Forgot she was still overseas ... oops. Sorry about that 6 hours difference Beth.  

The Dutch show airs tomorrow she stated. She is doing well. They have done prepping and pre-taping for show. All involved with the show have been very nice.

I AM SOOOOOOOOOO  GLAD THEY WERE NICE TO BETH
Hopefully they were helpful too.

[Whodunit?]

Mrs Red-

You know I guess you don't choose the username with rat in it, if you're anything akin to a nice guy?  

Klaas-

I know we looked at the european shoe size charts? Was that what explained that differential? I know I wear a 10 in US and a 42 in european - but what was the size conversion for a 14 men's?

http://www.kswiss.com/kswiss/sizechart.html

49 Europe and 13 UK

Isn't 10.5 ABNORMALLY small for someone of Joran's height?

[friend of monkeys]

I'm thinking of the statements by Joran & Paulus about that Monday's escapades at the Racquet Club.  

This is all supposition on my part.  The Twitty's notify the chaperone they are enroute to Aruba and they have the name Joran from one of the Twitty twins who was playing in the Texas Hold'em tournament.  The chaperone calls the police to check on ALE's progress and tells them that the family is enroute and the name they have is Joran. The police tip off Paulus that some girls family is enroute and that Joran left from Carlos N Charlies with the missing girl.  They mention that CnC's is a place where drinks are drugged.  Paulus quickly gets on line to search drugs & drinking & what could happen.  He quickly prints out a list of attorney's phone numbers too.  He grabs a gym bag for an alibi reason to go see Joran and heads out to find Joran.  He intercepts Joran somewhere enroute to the hotels and tells him what is coming down is that the family of the girl is heading to Aruba.  Paulus told Joran to secure a good hiding place for the meantime. I think it took them all by surprise that they showed up at 3ish AM - the vdS were hoping it would be a confrontation during the day, while Joran was safely at school.  So they had to fly by the seat of their pants to come up with a story.  Being dumb naive boys, they didn't realize that the HI dropoff story wouldn't fly too far.  Paulus realizes this after visting the hotel Tues early AM with the posse & poliz.  Paulus relaizes that wherever Joran put the body is not good enough, so he takes over the disposal job to completely disappear the body.  Then he set about calling in the favors from the few corrupt cops he knew he could trust to bumble & saboutage the investigation.   I even think the many inconsistencies in the stories, the finger pointing was part of the subterfuge to confuse the issues.  I think as the media descended on Aruba, the gov't realized the need to aide in the coverup in an effort to safe tourism and it snowballed out of Paulu's control.

great post sunfreak....yep..the cops r so guilty of disposing of her body

[mrs. red]

BBL y'all...

[klaasend]

Made a slight modification to my flow chart  

[Shizaru]

Klaassend

Do you think it would be possible to do a couple route maps similar to the ones in the timeline thread sticky, except using sattellite photos?

Also, can you use Google Earth scale info to figure out the exact distance from FH to Marriott?  I'm pretty sure it's 0.6 miles but I've read different figures and want to be certain I have it right.

[klaasend]

Klaassend

Do you think it would be possible to do a couple route maps similar to the ones in the timeline thread sticky, except using sattellite photos?

Also, can you use Google Earth scale info to figure out the exact distance from FH to Marriott?  I'm pretty sure it's 0.6 miles but I've read different figures and want to be certain I have it right.

Shizaru - I'll see what I can do but may not get to it right away.  I've got some "real" work to do today.

[klaasend]

Klaassend

Do you think it would be possible to do a couple route maps similar to the ones in the timeline thread sticky, except using sattellite photos?

Also, can you use Google Earth scale info to figure out the exact distance from FH to Marriott?  I'm pretty sure it's 0.6 miles but I've read different figures and want to be certain I have it right.

Shizaru - I'll see what I can do but may not get to it right away.  I've got some "real" work to do today.

Just happened to think, maybe this is something Sunfreaks could do for you?  She's gotten real good at Google Earth and is looking for a project!

[San]

O/T - 7-ELEVEN FIRES BACK AT VENEZUELA'S CHAVEZ, DROPS CITGO AS GAS SUPPLIER TO STORES

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[Shizaru]

Klaassend

Do you think it would be possible to do a couple route maps similar to the ones in the timeline thread sticky, except using sattellite photos?

Also, can you use Google Earth scale info to figure out the exact distance from FH to Marriott?  I'm pretty sure it's 0.6 miles but I've read different figures and want to be certain I have it right.

Shizaru - I'll see what I can do but may not get to it right away.  I've got some "real" work to do today.

Just happened to think, maybe this is something Sunfreaks could do for you?  She's gotten real good at Google Earth and is looking for a project!

I posted that idea earlier today when she was online but maybe she didn't  see it.  I don't have her e-mail addy, could you ask her to e-mail me

[klaasend]

Shizaru - if I can find her email address in my 10,000 emails in my inbox I will..ha ha

[San]

Mrs Red-

You know I guess you don't choose the username with rat in it, if you're anything akin to a nice guy?  

Klaas-

I know we looked at the european shoe size charts? Was that what explained that differential? I know I wear a 10 in US and a 42 in european - but what was the size conversion for a 14 men's?

http://www.kswiss.com/kswiss/sizechart.html

49 Europe and 13 UK

Isn't 10.5 ABNORMALLY small for someone of Joran's height?

Joran is abnormal.  He is a freak.

To answer your question yes it is abnormal and I do not believe that is his shoe size.

My younger nephew (17) is 5.10 and he wears an 12
My older nephew (23) 6.1 and he wears 13.

[San]

Mrs Red-

You know I guess you don't choose the username with rat in it, if you're anything akin to a nice guy?  

Klaas-

I know we looked at the european shoe size charts? Was that what explained that differential? I know I wear a 10 in US and a 42 in european - but what was the size conversion for a 14 men's?

http://www.kswiss.com/kswiss/sizechart.html

49 Europe and 13 UK

Isn't 10.5 ABNORMALLY small for someone of Joran's height?

Joran is abnormal.  He is a freak.

To answer your question yes it is abnormal and I do not believe that is his shoe size.

My younger nephew (18) is 5.10 and he wears a 12
My older nephew (23) 6.1 and he wears 13.

Correction younger nephew is 18

[2NJSons_Mom]

Mrs Red-

You know I guess you don't choose the username with rat in it, if you're anything akin to a nice guy?  

Klaas-

I know we looked at the european shoe size charts? Was that what explained that differential? I know I wear a 10 in US and a 42 in european - but what was the size conversion for a 14 men's?

http://www.kswiss.com/kswiss/sizechart.html

49 Europe and 13 UK

Isn't 10.5 ABNORMALLY small for someone of Joran's height?

Joran is abnormal.  He is a freak.

To answer your question yes it is abnormal and I do not believe that is his shoe size.

My younger nephew (17) is 5.10 and he wears an 12
My older nephew (23) 6.1 and he wears 13.

I was going to answer this, earlier, but wasn't sure what normal is....Maybe it's all genetic...my older son is 6'1" and wears a 10.5, and the younger is 5'11" and wears a 9.5.  Yet, they have friends who are around the same height or a little taller who wear 14 and up.  I'm 5'9" and wear 8.5 but my sister at 5'7" wears a 10, and my hubby is 5'10" and wears a 9.5...but these are all US sizes....Maybe the sporter inherited his mother's feet, in addition to her complexion ...though at his height, you'd think he'd fall over..

[Sam]

Hi Monkeys,

Oh my, shoe sizes. There is an old saying. Not sure exactley how it goes.
The size of the shoe refect the size of the penis. Could be a reason for wearing a shoe to big for the foot. LOL

I do not think it has to do with the difference between European and US size charts.

I want to see Freddys statemment. Is it coming soon?

[thik]

I'm thinking of the statements by Joran & Paulus about that Monday's escapades at the Racquet Club.  

This is all supposition on my part.  The Twitty's notify the chaperone they are enroute to Aruba and they have the name Joran from one of the Twitty twins who was playing in the Texas Hold'em tournament.  The chaperone calls the police to check on ALE's progress and tells them that the family is enroute and the name they have is Joran. The police tip off Paulus that some girls family is enroute and that Joran left from Carlos N Charlies with the missing girl.  They mention that CnC's is a place where drinks are drugged.  Paulus quickly gets on line to search drugs & drinking & what could happen.  He quickly prints out a list of attorney's phone numbers too.  He grabs a gym bag for an alibi reason to go see Joran and heads out to find Joran.  He intercepts Joran somewhere enroute to the hotels and tells him what is coming down is that the family of the girl is heading to Aruba.  Paulus told Joran to secure a good hiding place for the meantime. I think it took them all by surprise that they showed up at 3ish AM - the vdS were hoping it would be a confrontation during the day, while Joran was safely at school.  So they had to fly by the seat of their pants to come up with a story.  Being dumb naive boys, they didn't realize that the HI dropoff story wouldn't fly too far.  Paulus realizes this after visting the hotel Tues early AM with the posse & poliz.  Paulus relaizes that wherever Joran put the body is not good enough, so he takes over the disposal job to completely disappear the body.  Then he set about calling in the favors from the few corrupt cops he knew he could trust to bumble & saboutage the investigation.   I even think the many inconsistencies in the stories, the finger pointing was part of the subterfuge to confuse the issues.  I think as the media descended on Aruba, the gov't realized the need to aide in the coverup in an effort to safe tourism and it snowballed out of Paulu's control.

great post sunfreak....yep..the cops r so guilty of disposing of her body

let's see now,,,,,,, what fits into a gym bag nicely ?   Shoes,,, tennis shoes ?   Size 13 tennis shoes ???  where are the obviously 'incriminating' shoes Paulus?   you ass-wipe


''Go Cowboys"'  !!!!!

[San]

Joran is abnormal.  He is a freak.

To answer your question yes it is abnormal and I do not believe that is his shoe size.

My younger nephew (17) is 5.10 and he wears an 12
My older nephew (23) 6.1 and he wears 13.

I was going to answer this, earlier, but wasn't sure what normal is....Maybe it's all genetic...my older son is 6'1" and wears a 10.5, and the younger is 5'11" and wears a 9.5.  Yet, they have friends who are around the same height or a little taller who wear 14 and up.  I'm 5'9" and wear 8.5 but my sister at 5'7" wears a 10, and my hubby is 5'10" and wears a 9.5...but these are all US sizes....Maybe the sporter inherited his mother's feet, in addition to her complexion ...though at his height, you'd think he'd fall over..

Looks like he did fall over a few times

I can see understand a person being 6'1" and wearing a 10.5.  When you add 4 more inches it just doesn't jive.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Hi Monkeys,

Oh my, shoe sizes. There is an old saying. Not sure exactley how it goes.
The size of the shoe refect the size of the penis. Could be a reason for wearing a shoe to big for the foot. LOL

I do not think it has to do with the difference between European and US size charts.

I want to see Freddys statemment. Is it coming soon?

I was staying away from that saying about foot size....and encountered some websites while looking at international shoe size charts besides the K-Swiss one Klaasend posted.   The thought did enter my mind about wearing a shoe too big....kind of like the pants hanging on cheeks, etc.  

[2NJSons_Mom]

bbl...got to get some things done..

[klaasend]

I need to get some work done myself.  I'll be lurking and not posting for a while.