Caylee Marie Anthony, 2, FL Missing since June 16-just reported by mother #50

[Treehouse]

Picture that Murt took when searching Boggy Creek area......Does it look like the fabric has  a monkey on it to anyone else?



http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q259/M2KFL/CAYLEE%20ANTHONY%20CASE/

Kind of looks like a sock monkey to me.

[cubbeegirl]

Russ, you are absolutely right.

IF Lee is the father of Caylee, it does explain a lot of other things.

It explains why there is no name on the birth certificate.

It explains why they have lied about the identity of the father.

It explains why they have been so intensely secretive about the father.

It explains why they never asked for any type of support, even if he died and they were entitled to social security.

But I still do not know if it is true.

Hudson

I have told this story before but ... I sincerely believe it needs repeating.

The single eighteen year old daughter of friends of ours became pregnant after a romatic encounter with a young man from another province while working at Banff one summer.  The relationship ended prior to the summer assignment.  After arriving home and ... starting university ... daughter told her parents that she was expecting.

Right or wrong and ... I think it was wrong ... no attempt was ever made to get in touch with the father or his family.  The reasoning ... it would complicate the lives of daughter and grandaughter.  Today this young women is happily married with two more children and ... the object of her summer romance seven years prior does not have a clue.

My point ... the underlying reason for Caylee's father not being identified may not have anything to do with an incestuous relationship ... especially when you consider Casey's many sexual encounters.  It could be just an attempt to keep the father ... for various reasons ... out of Caylee's life.

Janet

I agree with you on this Janet..... as I said , we have a similar situation in my family right now.......Sure makes for good conversation when there is a lack of topic....

[akmom]

Posted in MURT's chat but nobody can find out if true yet:

06:21 ustreamer-77644 : I just read somewhere that there is polics cars and a black suv on BC road in there area of the witness sighting

Klaas,
I am listening(web address on Murt's site, )but not hearing anything about this.  Have you heard anything?

[mytime]

MyTime ... why do you believe so strongly that Casey wanted a baby ?

I dont know how to answer this so I will just say it my opinion!  OK?  And it may not be true as so many in this case are not the most truthful people.

[Tamikosmom]

I have a question hopefully someone can answer.
If they only had Caylee's DNA,and IF Lee was the father,could they tell that just from Caylee's DNA?

Hi Karma

Dr. Baden did specify that forensic DNA testing of the strands of hair could determine the paternity but ... according to the released report ... only Mitochondrial DNA testing was conducted.  Mitochondrial DNA testing  does not reveal anything about the paternity ...

However ... if DNA testing went further than Mitochondrial ... the paternity could be confirmed but ... it is my understanding ... the father's DNA would be required.  Consider the Lee Anthony's DNA was only taken not even a couple of weeks ago ...

Janet

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On the Record w/ Greta
Caylee Search: Psychics, Jail Visits Refused, 'Body Farm' Techniques
Tuesday, August 12, 2008

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Casey Anthony's car trunk carry a dead body? Both detectives and Casey's mother, Cindy, say they noticed an odor coming from that trunk that they seemed to be -- that of a decomposing body, is what they said. Well, right now, anthropologists from the University of Tennessee's facility known as "the body farm" are testing air samples from the car's trunk. What can the tests prove?

Joining us live is forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden. Dr. Baden, can they take an air sample from the trunk and determine whether or not there had been a body decomposing in that truck?

DR. MICHAEL BADEN, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Yes, because after we die and the bacteria proliferate in our body and start breaking down our muscles and our fat and organs, vapors, gases, are formed with beautiful names like cadaverine (ph) and putrescine (ph) that are a particular structure that are easily picked up in the toxicology lab if they're collected from the area, the air that the body was in. And if there was a dead body in the trunk of the car and they collected the air sample, they should be able to find those chemicals.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Now, this timeline begins probably sometime July -- June 15 is Father's Day.

BADEN: Right.

Watch Greta's interview with Dr. Baden

VAN SUSTEREN: June 16 is the last day that the grandfather saw that child, and it isn't until July 15 that the police are called. Let's say hypothetically that a body that began decomposing as soon as the 16th...

BADEN: Right.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... Were placed in that trunk, if you examined the truck now on August whatever this is, 11, would you still -- would the test still be as effective?

QUESTION: It would not be as effective now as it was when the cadaver dog alerted to it and the detective and the grandma said they smelled the decomposition. There was also some stains there. See, the air will dissipate over time, whereas the stain that was there would still be there. And if it were decomposition fluid or blood, that can be identified. And that's better than just the odor because you can do DNA on a stain and see if it came from Casey (SIC).

VAN SUSTEREN: I suppose...

BADEN: Or the baby.

VAN SUSTEREN: I supposed that it wouldn't necessarily be that either one would necessarily be conclusive, but it's sort of the combination would certainly be more persuasive than standing alone.

BADEN: Yes. Yes. And the stain could tell you DNA. The hair -- remember, there was hair there. The hair has DNA.

VAN SUSTEREN: And can also tell whether someone had been dead or not, the hair.

BADEN: That's right. The hair can tell you who the daddy is, as well as the baby, and also whether it came from a dead person or a living person.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, Dr. Baden. Thank you, sir.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html


Casey Anthony's Father To Testify Against Her In Front Of Grand Jury
POSTED: 5:56 pm EDT October 9, 2008
UPDATED: 6:29 pm EDT October 9, 2008

George and Cindy Anthony voluntarily gave up DNA samples this week so investigators could scientifically exclude either of them as the source of the hair and stain in Casey's trunk, but investigators had to get a search warrant to get Casey's brother Lee to submit to a DNA test. He also has refused to take a lie detector test for the FBI.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17680298/detail.html


Mitochondrial DNA:

Within the cell cytoplasm there are organelles called mitochondria. The mictochondria contain mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) which is the type of DNA analyzed in order to identify deceased remains.  Mitochondrial DNA is inherited from the mother, not from the father.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/info/info_1337.html

[flossy]

For anyone who is interested, this is how I view Cindy's My Caylee Is Missing post.  I find it full of contradictions, control, veiled threats, and what I can only call a martyr complex.  I could be wrong, but I think it is all about Cindy, as much as it is about Caylee. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3753.msg510501#msg510501

I so agree!!  Martyr complex up the friggin ying yang!!  God, they drive me bonks on so many levels.

[seemeatthebeach]

Posted in MURT's chat but nobody can find out if true yet:

06:21 ustreamer-77644 : I just read somewhere that there is polics cars and a black suv on BC road in there area of the witness sighting

Klaas,
I am listening(web address on Murt's site, )but not hearing anything about this.  Have you heard anything?

I'm listening to scanner
I heard something about a canine but don't know if it was search related....prob about 45 min ago

[Bud's Girl]

MyTime ... why do you believe so strongly that Casey wanted a baby ?

I dont know how to answer this so I will just say it my opinion!  OK?  And it may not be true as so many in this case are not the most truthful people.

Gotcha.   I was just wondering if you had read something somewhere that would make you lean in that direction.

[klaasend]

Seeme - IMO, yes..maybe like a sock monkey

[klaasend]

Posted in MURT's chat but nobody can find out if true yet:

06:21 ustreamer-77644 : I just read somewhere that there is polics cars and a black suv on BC road in there area of the witness sighting

Klaas,
I am listening(web address on Murt's site, )but not hearing anything about this.  Have you heard anything?

No, but I haven't tried listening either.

[seemeatthebeach]

Seeme - IMO, yes..maybe like a sock monkey

Thanks Klaas for zooming it.....

I wonder if Caylee had other things other than a backpack with monkeys

[seemeatthebeach]

If anyone wants to listen to scanner....

I have a party to go to at 7 and won't be able to for a few hours

http://heliosj.iddings.us:8000/seminolescanner.m3u

[CuriousCat]

Posted in MURT's chat but nobody can find out if true yet:

06:21 ustreamer-77644 : I just read somewhere that there is polics cars and a black suv on BC road in there area of the witness sighting

Klaas,
I am listening(web address on Murt's site, )but not hearing anything about this.  Have you heard anything?

No, but I haven't tried listening either.

It was posted on the Orlando Sentinel blog around 3:30 pm.

[Tater]

Russ, you are absolutely right.

IF Lee is the father of Caylee, it does explain a lot of other things.

It explains why there is no name on the birth certificate.

It explains why they have lied about the identity of the father.

It explains why they have been so intensely secretive about the father.

It explains why they never asked for any type of support, even if he died and they were entitled to social security.

But I still do not know if it is true.

IDK, Cindy seemed so possessive of Caylee that I would think she wouldn't want another Grandmother on the scene, stealing Caylee's attention away from her. I wonder how Cindy reacted to the Grund family taking care of HER baby, especially Jesse's mother. She probably right away accepted KC's of IDK or him dying, leaving her as the center of Caylee's world. I also don't see it outside the realm of LE asking for DNA samples from the boys who came in to give statements. They would then have it on hand for comparison on Caylee's DNA.

Has anything ever been said about Jesse's mother Boo? I've always wondered about her but haven't ever seen a thing...

I have never heard a thing regarding Jesse's mother.

I find this alittle odd,don't you?

[klaasend]

Seeme - IMO, yes..maybe like a sock monkey

Example of a similar idea print:

[akmom]

Posted in MURT's chat but nobody can find out if true yet:

06:21 ustreamer-77644 : I just read somewhere that there is polics cars and a black suv on BC road in there area of the witness sighting

Klaas,
I am listening(web address on Murt's site, )but not hearing anything about this.  Have you heard anything?

I'm listening to scanner
I heard something about a canine but don't know if it was search related....prob about 45 min ago

Yeah, I've been hearing about the canine, but not sure if it is related either.  I don't know all of the LE codes.

[Colt45cal]

Colt45cal I am new and probably everyone else knows  -- why do you spell Cindy's name "Cyndi"?

Just a habit. A co-worker spells her name Cyndi. 

[seemeatthebeach]

Seeme - IMO, yes..maybe like a sock monkey

Example of a similar idea print:

I wish he would have picked this up.....

[seemeatthebeach]

Yeah, I've been hearing about the canine, but not sure if it is related either.  I don't know all of the LE codes.

me either

canine I understand....not much else

[BooMonkey]

Russ, you are absolutely right.

IF Lee is the father of Caylee, it does explain a lot of other things.

It explains why there is no name on the birth certificate.

It explains why they have lied about the identity of the father.

It explains why they have been so intensely secretive about the father.

It explains why they never asked for any type of support, even if he died and they were entitled to social security.

But I still do not know if it is true.

IDK, Cindy seemed so possessive of Caylee that I would think she wouldn't want another Grandmother on the scene, stealing Caylee's attention away from her. I wonder how Cindy reacted to the Grund family taking care of HER baby, especially Jesse's mother. She probably right away accepted KC's of IDK or him dying, leaving her as the center of Caylee's world. I also don't see it outside the realm of LE asking for DNA samples from the boys who came in to give statements. They would then have it on hand for comparison on Caylee's DNA.

Has anything ever been said about Jesse's mother Boo? I've always wondered about her but haven't ever seen a thing...

Good question! I don't believe I've heard anything about her mentioned anywhere. I'll go look on Richard's myspace and see if he mentions anything. brb