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« Reply #900 on: October 26, 2008, 01:28:56 PM »

Howdies! Does anyone, other than myself, see this connection:  Remember that Freudian? slip that "I" kept harping on when Cindy refers to Caylee as her grandson?  Well, I think I figured it out. The "son" part was LEE!!!!!   TY

I see that as a distinct possibility Mister.  She loves the sound of her own voice, spewing nonsense of just how that warped brain is operating.

Yes, that was kind Colt, but really if the creep intended to use the gun, he would have told NO ONE, part of the pity party 4 GA & how he deserves to receive respect & sympathy but I again go back to GA telling Simon Birch that "this" will probably cause his marriage to end in "divorce", DIVORCE, why because there is a $500 tow bill?  This was before the trunk was opened, as they were walking to the car.  I stand by my belief that this is a house of sociopath's, they act how they perceive others would under the circumstances presented, sincerity isn't presented well by sociopath's from what I have seen.  They try but it really isn't part of the forte.  That's why they often eventually get caught.  It is the insincerity that comes across as imo the brain wiring doesn't possess the ability to present sincerity.

Regarding the ruse of the 911 calls, CA has the patience of a jack rabbit, has a serious anger problem & right out of the gate, she wasn't gettting what she wanted, a quick response, remember she brought KC to a police station that was closed, her plan was disrupted & then OCSO took 2 hours & two 911 calls had already been placed to get OCSO to Hopespring Dr.   CA just couldn't hold it in any longer, the anger took over. Just like on TV, she seriously F's up when she is angry.  Reminds me of the exorcist except the head isn't spinning while she is spewing nonsense.
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« Reply #901 on: October 26, 2008, 01:29:20 PM »

consider this...

The person who originally own the new hair that needs tested for DNA was most like digging. This person is not Caylee and is not Casey. What other purpose is there for a shovel other than digging or maybe cracking Joran on the noggin.

The person who was digging had to know what they were digging for and where to dig. You have to have those two in the bag or you endeavor is useless. So, the person who was digging was digging for a purpose. The person was not aimless digging holes around the back yard and looking for buried treasure.

The person with the knowledge to dig must have had some knowledge which leads to a conspiracy. Two or more actors acting in conjunction to commit a crime is by definition a conspiracy.

Now, there was chloroform discovered in the back yard. IN THE AREA WHERE THE CADAVER DOGS HIT. 2 separate dogs.

There was chloroform discovered in the trunk of the Pontiac.

Casey drives the Pontiac so she is involved and her daughter is missing and she is the last known person to be seen with her, if you believe the lying liars known as the Anthony family.

The person cleaning the trunk neglected a small patch of hair connected to some tissue according to Dr. Baden a few months ago. That hair says that Caylee is dead.

We do not know who cleaned the trunk, only that there is a connection to chloroform in the yard and trunk.

We do know that the person who was digging appears to have left a single strand of hair. The hair, if George's would most likely be gray and if it is Lee's most likely black. The LE need more than hair color, but that gives them a good guess who left the hair if it is a family member.

Chloroform where cadaver dogs hits, coupled with chloroform also found in the trunk says that one or both persons were in both areas.

It seems unlikely that two people are digging and cleaning. But when you add in the single strand of hair that does not belong to Caylee or Casey it leads you to an accomplice.

In retrospect, the chloroform could have been used as a masking agent. To hid the small from the cadaver dogs.

When Cindy made the third call, that left little time to act fast and mask any odors in the trunk and yard. You do not need to clean the yard, just mask the smell, or knock out a cadaver dog.

Am I wrong to think that the third hair (Not Casey's or Caylee's) could be female?  The reason I say this is because female hair tends to be longer and easier to find.  Also, it seems that we females shed hair more than men.  But I could be totally wrong!

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« Reply #902 on: October 26, 2008, 01:30:10 PM »

Welcome tevye and Johnielee
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« Reply #903 on: October 26, 2008, 01:31:57 PM »

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« Reply #904 on: October 26, 2008, 01:33:59 PM »

bikerbev.. this question might seem to have an obvious answer, but do we know for certain that GA was "hiding" his gun?

(I do admit it's an odd place to keep a gun.. it was in a wheel well, right?  I'm not a gun owner, and never will be. My dad was, though.. he kept a gun in his own car, under the driver's seat. He wasn't hiding it per se.. that's just where he kept it.  I don't know why people need to drive around with a gun, but that's just me.  )
I can understand hiding a gun under your driver's seat.  People have the impression that if they 'need' it, they can get to it faster if it's under the seat.  But in a wheel well?  That ridiculous.  If someone was robbing you what are you gonna say, "hey wait buddy, I gotta get in my wheel well for my weapon?"  As colt45 says, nobody knew GA had the gun but GA so obviously he was hiding it from the rest of his family.  If he would have hid it under the driver's seat, possibly someone would have discovered it, correct and his secret would have been revealed, although it was anyway.

Who said the gun was going to be used for protection?? Enough clues from me. You guy's did read some of my earlier posts...didn't you??


Ok ... so this was a "purchased" gun as opposed to an "issued" gun per his security position ...

Colt ... going by your screen name you must know a "thing or two" about guns .... are you by chance liscensed to "sell" firearms and actively do so?


Not all security postions require firearms. I believe the job at Disney was unarmed. (nearly all are unarmed). No, I'm not liscenced to sell firearms. Yes, I privately carry a Colt 45 with my Florida State Firearm license.

I believe the person at the gun shop are the ones that gave LE the tip. If they had known the mental state George was in, by law, they would have never released the gun to him. My time line will show, that the information/knowledge/concerns I had, came after LE confiscated the firearm from George that night. Much deeper than mere speculations.
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« Reply #905 on: October 26, 2008, 01:34:04 PM »

bikerbev.. this question might seem to have an obvious answer, but do we know for certain that GA was "hiding" his gun?

(I do admit it's an odd place to keep a gun.. it was in a wheel well, right?  I'm not a gun owner, and never will be. My dad was, though.. he kept a gun in his own car, under the driver's seat. He wasn't hiding it per se.. that's just where he kept it.  I don't know why people need to drive around with a gun, but that's just me.  )
I can understand hiding a gun under your driver's seat.  People have the impression that if they 'need' it, they can get to it faster if it's under the seat.  But in a wheel well?  That ridiculous.  If someone was robbing you what are you gonna say, "hey wait buddy, I gotta get in my wheel well for my weapon?"  As colt45 says, nobody knew GA had the gun but GA so obviously he was hiding it from the rest of his family.  If he would have hid it under the driver's seat, possibly someone would have discovered it, correct and his secret would have been revealed, although it was anyway.

Who said the gun was going to be used for protection?? Enough clues from me. You guy's did read some of my earlier posts...didn't you??
That's one heck of a messy way to end it.  Couldn't he think of some better way?

Sad truth is that suicide by firearm is the most common way that men in the US commit suicide.

I think George bringing up the suicide bit was just another cover his butt statement making sure everyone heard it,including LE..jmo
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« Reply #906 on: October 26, 2008, 01:34:45 PM »

Howdies! Does anyone, other than myself, see this connection:  Remember that Freudian? slip that "I" kept harping on when Cindy refers to Caylee as her grandson?  Well, I think I figured it out. The "son" part was LEE!!!!!   TY

I remember that, but didn't really see it as a Freudian slip as much as just that her mouth seems to rattle on ahead of her brain.  Her and George both do that, like when he said his granddaughter's body wasn't in the trunk of his granddaughter's car.   And if you read the 911 call that Tater Tot just posted, Cindy lurches all over the place, phrases things very oddly. 

They've also resorted now to calling Caylee that girl or that little girl instead of by her name which I find extremely odd.
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« Reply #907 on: October 26, 2008, 01:36:02 PM »

consider this...

The person who originally own the new hair that needs tested for DNA was most like digging. This person is not Caylee and is not Casey. What other purpose is there for a shovel other than digging or maybe cracking Joran on the noggin.

The person who was digging had to know what they were digging for and where to dig. You have to have those two in the bag or you endeavor is useless. So, the person who was digging was digging for a purpose. The person was not aimless digging holes around the back yard and looking for buried treasure.

The person with the knowledge to dig must have had some knowledge which leads to a conspiracy. Two or more actors acting in conjunction to commit a crime is by definition a conspiracy.

Now, there was chloroform discovered in the back yard. IN THE AREA WHERE THE CADAVER DOGS HIT. 2 separate dogs.

There was chloroform discovered in the trunk of the Pontiac.

Casey drives the Pontiac so she is involved and her daughter is missing and she is the last known person to be seen with her, if you believe the lying liars known as the Anthony family.

The person cleaning the trunk neglected a small patch of hair connected to some tissue according to Dr. Baden a few months ago. That hair says that Caylee is dead.

We do not know who cleaned the trunk, only that there is a connection to chloroform in the yard and trunk.

We do know that the person who was digging appears to have left a single strand of hair. The hair, if George's would most likely be gray and if it is Lee's most likely black. The LE need more than hair color, but that gives them a good guess who left the hair if it is a family member.

Chloroform where cadaver dogs hits, coupled with chloroform also found in the trunk says that one or both persons were in both areas.

It seems unlikely that two people are digging and cleaning. But when you add in the single strand of hair that does not belong to Caylee or Casey it leads you to an accomplice.

In retrospect, the chloroform could have been used as a masking agent. To hid the small from the cadaver dogs.

When Cindy made the third call, that left little time to act fast and mask any odors in the trunk and yard. You do not need to clean the yard, just mask the smell, or knock out a cadaver dog.

Morning Rob and all the monkeys!

1.) How do we know cloro was found in the backyard? I've never seen that anywhere but here.


I think she temporarily hid Caylee in the backyard sandbox and when she went to move her or place her in the container to stick her in the car, she noticed fluid and whatever stuck in the sand.

She borrowed the shovel to scoop up the icky sand where Caylee was laying and spread it around the yard. When she was done with the shovel, she washed it off in the pool.



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« Reply #908 on: October 26, 2008, 01:38:46 PM »

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« Reply #909 on: October 26, 2008, 01:39:27 PM »

Hello everyone, just wanted to add a post so everyone would know Im still here sometimes and still a monkey, no matter what...I have had a few problems here lately and will try to get back here on a regular basis when things are straightened out. I just wanted to say that one thing in paticular that has come to bug me and that I am trying to get an answer for is one of the items that was found in the trunk of the car...The bag that was thrown in the trash, and then recovered by the LE from the dumpster at the tow yard, has recently become something that has caught my attention...Im wondering if it was like a trash bag or other bag that can be traced back to the Anthony's home...I dont know why but it is something I am interested in....Also, the hair that was found on the shovel, I knew  something had been found on that shovel but I thought it was either dirt or something else, now that I know it was a hair,I wonder if it was caught in the shovel.  like around the wooden handle where it is forced into the metal part of the shovel ...or just stuck to it as if maybe just a stray piece that was easily picked up from anywhere...ok...any ways...I hope everybody is doing ok and I will continue to pray for the upcoming search in Nov...May little Caylee finally be found and laid to rest.....Later...
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Am I wrong to think that the third hair (Not Casey's or Caylee's) could be female?  The reason I say this is because female hair tends to be longer and easier to find.  Also, it seems that we females shed hair more than men.  But I could be totally wrong!

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no you're not wrong to think that Lisa...I just think if Cindy knew to what extent this was going to go, she would have never put the wheels in motion. I doubt it is her hair. Her and Casey do not look like the know how to operate a shovel. The length, if more then about two and a half inches, would indicate someone possibly other than George, Lee or a male neighbor. Lee and George both have normal short hair for a male.

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« Reply #911 on: October 26, 2008, 01:41:12 PM »

Howdies! Does anyone, other than myself, see this connection:  Remember that Freudian? slip that "I" kept harping on when Cindy refers to Caylee as her grandson?  Well, I think I figured it out. The "son" part was LEE!!!!!   TY

I saw it but couldn't make hide nor hair of it's meaning.Sorry!

Tater, I 'fully' understand your sentiments, but, situations like this are some DEEP sh*t! I go deep...real deep. I've tossed around Cindy's "grandson" fluke and that is the only thing that makes any sense to me. She only has one grandchild; where did the grandson thing even enter her mind? It didn't 'enter' her mind..it was already there! Lee is the dad!
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« Reply #912 on: October 26, 2008, 01:41:31 PM »

Does anyone have the doc's that they can easily read Simon Birches statement?

Does he mention maggots? Does the detective who found the bag at the tow yard mention maggots?


Is George the only one that mentioned maggots regarding the pizza box?

I am worried that there is no maggots to be tested. 

That is was just a cover story for the smell made up by George and Cindy.
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« Reply #913 on: October 26, 2008, 01:42:33 PM »

consider this...

The person who originally own the new hair that needs tested for DNA was most like digging. This person is not Caylee and is not Casey. What other purpose is there for a shovel other than digging or maybe cracking Joran on the noggin.

The person who was digging had to know what they were digging for and where to dig. You have to have those two in the bag or you endeavor is useless. So, the person who was digging was digging for a purpose. The person was not aimless digging holes around the back yard and looking for buried treasure.

The person with the knowledge to dig must have had some knowledge which leads to a conspiracy. Two or more actors acting in conjunction to commit a crime is by definition a conspiracy.
I find it more likely that the hair on the shovel label belonged to the owner (neighbor)  but more analyis of the shovel would show the soil it was used in and/or traces of BAMBOO roots   and the lack of ANY finger prints makes me wonder WTF

Now, there was chloroform discovered in the back yard. IN THE AREA WHERE THE CADAVER DOGS HIT. 2 separate dogs.    It was? 

There was chloroform discovered in the trunk of the Pontiac.

Casey drives the Pontiac so she is involved and her daughter is missing and she is the last known person to be seen with her, if you believe the lying liars known as the Anthony family.

The person cleaning the trunk neglected a small patch of hair connected to some tissue according to Dr. Baden a few months ago  tissue attached to the hair ?. That hair says that Caylee is dead.

We do not know who cleaned the trunk, only that there is a connection to chloroform in the yard and trunk.  I'm guessing that Cindy started cleaning the stinking trunk when the car was in the garage.  I'm prob. way off base here... but the Mothers type DNA  found in the hair  could have come from CINDY too.  This does not explain the decomp banding though

We do know that the person who was digging appears to have left a single strand of hair. The hair, if George's would most likely be gray and if it is Lee's most likely black. The LE need more than hair color, but that gives them a good guess who left the hair if it is a family member.

Chloroform where cadaver dogs hits, coupled with chloroform also found in the trunk says that one or both persons were in both areas.

It seems unlikely that two people are digging and cleaning. But when you add in the single strand of hair that does not belong to Caylee or Casey it leads you to an accomplice.

In retrospect, the chloroform could have been used as a masking agent. To hid the small from the cadaver dogs. The chloroform issue just has me  all together

When Cindy made the third call, that left little time to act fast and mask any odors in the trunk and yard. You do not need to clean the yard, just mask the smell, or knock out a cadaver dog.
Rob just a few comments in RED above
I know if I was in Georges place... After picking up the car... I would not have gone to work ~ even if it was my 2nd day on the JOB...  that car would have been torn apart looking for ways to find where Casey/Caylee was  and may have called 911 at that time... Not hours later.

I have no idea what... but something changed when the Caseys Car got back to the Anthony's house.   I wonder how much Stuff from the car was tossed into the trash before LE got there.
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« Reply #914 on: October 26, 2008, 01:43:46 PM »

the hair on the shovel could simply belong to Brian Burner or a member of his family. IIRC- hair was very small portion and found near the sticker of the shovel. If Brian Burner and his family were normal people (which I suspect) and he did a lot of gardening- most grown men have hairy arms/legs- dig a hole- put the shovel down - pick it up- brush up against the sticker with your arm or leg and there you have it- a hair imbedded in the sticker. I am curious why they just didn't ask BB for a hair sample and submitted it to FBI lab for comparison. Or perhaps they are/have already done so.
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« Reply #915 on: October 26, 2008, 01:45:55 PM »

Howdies! Does anyone, other than myself, see this connection:  Remember that Freudian? slip that "I" kept harping on when Cindy refers to Caylee as her grandson?  Well, I think I figured it out. The "son" part was LEE!!!!!   TY

I saw it but couldn't make hide nor hair of it's meaning.Sorry!

Tater, I 'fully' understand your sentiments, but, situations like this are some DEEP sh*t! I go deep...real deep. I've tossed around Cindy's "grandson" fluke and that is the only thing that makes any sense to me. She only has one grandchild; where did the grandson thing even enter her mind? It didn't 'enter' her mind..it was already there! Lee is the dad!

I'm not even going there Mike!jmo...
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Am I wrong to think that the third hair (Not Casey's or Caylee's) could be female?  The reason I say this is because female hair tends to be longer and easier to find.  Also, it seems that we females shed hair more than men.  But I could be totally wrong!

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no you're not wrong to think that Lisa...I just think if Cindy knew to what extent this was going to go, she would have never put the wheels in motion. I doubt it is her hair. Her and Casey do not look like the know how to operate a shovel. The length, if more then about two and a half inches, would indicate someone possibly other than George, Lee or a male neighbor. Lee and George both have normal short hair for a male.

George gardens... all the time.   

That he does!   While I do think George is helped in the cover-up, I believe his cooperation is forced by Cindy.  She's got him by the short and curlies and had no choice.  I just don't see him taking the initiative.  His mind isn't his own.  She has him pretty well controlled.  That's why I now refer to her as "Nurse Ratched!"

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« Reply #917 on: October 26, 2008, 01:48:31 PM »

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« Reply #918 on: October 26, 2008, 01:48:32 PM »

I would like to ask a question and see what theories are out there. In what case scenario would dogs possibly be able to have found the traces of chloroform both in the trunk of the car and by the pool? Presuming if I may that what we have heard, that the chloroform is "pure" and not a result of chemicals combining, or from decomposition itself......
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« Reply #919 on: October 26, 2008, 01:50:43 PM »

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