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« on: October 28, 2008, 04:05:56 PM »

Judge rules Ohio homeless voters may list park benches as addresses
Tuesday,  October 28, 2008 1:32 PM
 COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A federal judge in Ohio has ruled that counties must allow homeless voters to list park benches and other locations that aren't buildings as their addresses.

U.S. District Judge Edmund Sargus also ruled that provisional ballots can't be invalidated because of poll worker errors.

Monday's ruling resolved the final two pieces of a settlement between the Northeast Ohio Coalition for the Homeless and Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner.

The coalition agreed to drop a constitutional challenge to Ohio's voter identification law until after the Nov. 4 election. In return, Brunner and the coalition agreed on procedures to verify provisional ballots across all Ohio counties.

The coalition was concerned that unequal treatment of provisional ballots would disenfranchise some voters.

http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/28/ajudgerule.html?sid=101
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2008, 04:55:03 PM »

It is just part of...

The Great American 2008 Sham Election

It would be a simple thing to ask for a government issued ID.  I don't know how anyone can live without one. 

If someone doesn't have one, I have to wonder why?  Are they illegal?  Did they lose it?  How does one manage in the world without a government issued id?

The exceptions would be people like the Amish, Jehovah Witnesses, and others that may not participate in the voting process.

The Dollar Store has standards for identifying people when they want refunds.  Identity fraud has been described as an epidemic in the US.

And...no government issued picture ID to vote.  Amazing....

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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2008, 07:42:12 AM »

good that possible victims of the sub-prime mortgage / economic crisis and homeless veterans who fought for their country who on the streets and are dependent on community organizers and charity workers due to their terrible circumstances are allowed to vote.

http://www.veteransparty.us/homeless.htm
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2008, 01:36:00 PM »

I LIVE IN COLUMBUS, OH AND AM FURIOUS ABOUT THIS!   A VERY CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE WORKS FOR JENNIFER BRUNER, OUR SECRETARY OF STATE WHO IS BEHIND ALL THE SCANDAL.  SHE WON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!

I LIVE ABOUT 20 MINS. FROM THE HOUSE WHERE ALL THOSE ACORN PEOPLE ARE USING FOR PROOF OF RESIDENCY TO VOTE FROM OUT OF STATE AND RECRUITING OTHERS TO USE IT AS WELL.

MAKES ME SICK AND NOT WANT TO VOTE, SINCE I DON'T FEEL AS THOUGH MY VOTE WILL COUNT AGAINS ALL THE FRAUDULENT ONES!   THOUGH I HAVE ZERO FAITH, I WILL, OF COURSE VOTE, IT'S JUST VERY DISCOURAGING!

JENNIFER SHOULD KNOW, SHE CAN AND WILL BE VOTED OUT ASAP. 
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2008, 01:48:16 PM »

You do have my sympathy.  This is (and has been) the worst election is history and it's disgusting.  I see Jennifer Brunner as a Karen Janssen act-alike.  "I've got the job . . . but, I'm not gonna do it!"  Horrific!

Some of the same is happening in PA and I'm furious about it.  The right to vote without the responsibility to know what it's about.  It's a vice: a right without responsibility or care.

We can't have tests to vote; we can't even have proper identification.  I understand some of the reasons, but don't agree with all of the excuses.  I tell you, my dog is gonna vote soon under the animal rights act.  Afterall, if dead people vote, why not let my dog vote.  Ack, maybe someone registered Rover.

I tell you . . . I am VOTING if it's the last thing I do.  If I have to crawl through the snow, and drag this old body there . . . I'm doing it.

I will PROTEST THE CRAP, if nothing else!
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2008, 01:58:53 PM »

I, too, will vote. Here's the scary thing............I'm fearful that with a democtratic congress and Obama in the White House, opportunity for voter fraud will become fixed in Fedral law. Don't bet that restraints to a corrupt election process will be addressed; it's not to their advantage.

I know someone in Atlanta who was approached 6 times to register to vote. She explained she had already registered the first time she was asked. Through pressure that the worker got paid only from getting signatures, she registered 3 times. She has since gotten 3 ballots to vote absentee in the mail. All it would require is a different address. How hard is it to put "Park Bench #1, Park Bench #2, and Park Bench #3," on those ballots?

I'm worried beyond this election. I'm worried about our free press endorsing any candidate. I'm worried at the wave of socialism being ushered in. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid honestly scare me.
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2008, 02:52:45 PM »

if Republicans are serious about this 'voter registration fraud'.

and they seem to be, listening to McCain in the last Presidential debate:
"ACORN is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy."

then they file lawsuits.
already the FBI is investigating.
but no real voter fraud has turned up. only 'voter registration fraud'.

my opinion about this: it's just a way by Republicans to cast doubts about the Obama Presidency.
so in the future they can say: "he wasn't really elected president, he stole the election".

if they are serious about this, they don't leave it at vague accusations but start filing lawsuits.
any citizen who is worried about this can file such a lawsuit i think.

do they want to prevent voter fraud and win this election, or do they just want to cast doubts about election?
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2008, 03:27:45 PM »

The doubts have been cast almost everyday.  There are some law suits; there is some investigation . . . even by Democrats.

The possibilities of VOTER FRAUD in the election are endless.  Even some in the Justice Dept. are not doing their jobs.

When they will permit a park bench ballot and refuse a serviceman's ballot . . . I get fighting mad.  The election engineering has grown over the years.  Coupled with the Mass Media bias and determination to elect their choice; promote their choice; MSM is looking up to the bottom of the barrel.  MSM has gone beyond any appearance of factuality and straight to PROPAGANDA.

BIDEN:  "MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF A LIFETIME"  (of his lifetime and of my lifetime . . . probably combined.)

McCain:  Biden wonders through words, and stumbles upon Truth. (paraphased--Since McCain said it earlier today, the exact quote hasn't been posted.) 

"Mark my Words!"  Obama, tested, first 6 months.  Other than the words above (about how important the election is,) Biden may have nailed the testing premise.

With all the money ($600M;) a huge VOTER OPERATION; a biased, Obama Press; biased Networks (ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, MSNBC;) more tv ad time; trying to suppress the Military Vote; investigations of citizens who ask tough questions; and a charismatic voice (that could talk your candy-loving kid out of his favorite Mars Bar). . .

THE ELECTION IS A TIGHT RACE!
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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2008, 05:10:12 PM »

over the last few decades there have been only a few dozens actual voter frauds committed.
that won't change the outcome of an election.

however, they challenge every single vote for the slightest typo.
that leads to long queues and voters being turned away or giving up after waiting for hours in line.

in Ohio it was tried to throw away 200.000 voter registration for slight typo errors.
good thing it went to the Supreme Court and these voters didn't lose their vote.

one single voter fraud is a felony, it only happens very sporadically.
but voter suppression is very real, and it can actually swing an election.
especially this year - with so many new voters.

you won't see this on FOX and Rush won't talk about that.
also the MSM hasn't really touched on this yet.

most upsetting is that homeless veterans who fought for their country and democracy might lose their vote if their voter registration gets thrown out because they can't provide a home address. how sad is that.
i am surprised Democrats are not raising hell about all these voter suppression tactics being used again.
less than a week to go. many reports about vote flipping from democrat to republican.

i think this is going to be the last year of machine voting. back to paper ballots.
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2008, 05:46:15 PM »

I think it can be real simple -

- show citizenship status on government issued IDs

- show a government issued ID before voting

- verify that that government issued ID is not a fraud/false

It takes just seconds at concerts and other events to scan tickets.  This prevents the event from getting ripped off by the photoshopping/copying of tickets.  It takes just seconds.

Integrity first...

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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2008, 05:47:27 PM »

It forgot one - a national database to ensure that every Social Security Number and every drivers license votes just one time...
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2008, 01:25:26 AM »

they do have poll workers checking these things.
first time voters need to show ID i believe.

i still believe this fuss is just a way of spreading doubts about the election process.
to be able to say afterwards that Obama wasn't legitimately elected but zombies and cartoon characters stole the election.
and while doing it prevent as much voters as possible to actually vote by challenging every single vote over minor typos.

i do hope after the election they go and have a look how other countries manage to do it without any problems.
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2008, 03:10:21 AM »

Least you think that legal voting Americans are deciding this election, or that voter fraud is a small issue, check out the story and the links below it:

sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-flbfelons1012sboct12,0,3762352.story

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Many convicted felons remain on voter rolls[/size], according to Sun Sentinel investigation

Thousands who should be ineligible are registered to vote
Reported by Peter Franceschina, Sally Kestin, John Maines, Megan O'Matz and Dana Williams Written by Sally Kestin

October 12, 2008


More than 30,000 Florida felons who by law should have been stripped of their right to vote remain registered to cast ballots in this presidential battleground state, a Sun Sentinel investigation has found.

Many are faithful voters, with at least 4,900 turning out in past elections.


Another 5,600 are not likely to vote Nov. 4 — they're still in prison.

Of the felons who registered with a party, Democrats outnumber Republicans more than two to one.

Florida's elections chief, Secretary of State Kurt Browning, acknowledged his staff has failed to remove thousands of ineligible felons because of a shortage of workers and a crush of new registrations in this critical swing state.

Browning said he was not surprised by the newspaper's findings. "I'm kind of shocked that the number is as low as it is," he said.

Asked how many ineligible felons may be on Florida's rolls, Browning said, "We don't know."


The Division of Elections has a backlog of more than 108,000 possible felons who have registered to vote since January 2006 that it hasn't had the time or staff to verify. Browning estimated that about 10 percent, once checked, would be ineligible.

"This is part of a big mess," said Jeff Manza, professor of sociology at New York University and author of a book on felon voting. "It's almost certain there will be challenges if the election is close enough that things hinge on this. Both parties are armed to the teeth with legal talent in all the battleground states."

Florida's felon ban originated before the Civil War, and today the state remains one of 10 that restrict some felons from voting even after they've served their time. The law requires state and county elections officials to remove felons from voter rolls after conviction and add them only when they've won clemency to restore their voting rights.

In 2007, the state eased the restrictions by granting automatic clemency to most nonviolent offenders who have completed their sentences. Others, including people convicted of federal offenses, multiple felonies or crimes such as drug trafficking, murder and sex charges, must still apply for clemency and have their cases reviewed.

The felons the Sun Sentinel identified never received clemency, but their names remain on Florida's voter rolls. Some are well-known: ex-Broward Sheriff Ken Jenne and ex-Palm Beach County Commissioner Tony Masilotti, for instance, both convicted last year of public corruption.

Browning said the state painstakingly checks all voters before removing them to avoid inadvertently taking off eligible voters as happened in two previous large-scale purge attempts.

"The policy of this department, this state, is that we will err on the side of the voter," he said.


Florida registers voters largely on an honor system, asking applicants to affirm on a signed form that they are not convicted felons or that their rights have been restored. State law requires the Elections Division to conduct criminal records checks only after voters are added to the rolls, and it takes months or even years to remove those who are ineligible, the Sun Sentinel found.

"It's scandalous, really," said Lance deHaven-Smith, professor of public policy at Florida State University. "Why do they have to cull the rolls after they get registered? They shouldn't get on the rolls in the first place."




Felons confused
Several felon voters interviewed by the Sun Sentinel expressed confusion over automatic clemency and said they thought their voting rights had been restored. Some said they merely signed registration forms that were filled out by volunteers.

"If I wasn't able to vote, they wouldn't have given me my [voter registration] card," said John A. Henderson, 55, a Hallandale Beach Democrat. "I voted the last time and the times before that."

Henderson served about a year in prison in the late 1990s for battery and trafficking in cocaine. He said he was unaware he needed to formally apply to restore his rights when he successfully registered to vote in 2002. Henderson has since cast ballots in at least six elections and received three updated voter ID cards from the Broward Supervisor of Elections Office, records show.

Broward elections officials were unaware of Henderson's criminal record and did not check it when he registered, said county elections spokeswoman Mary Cooney. Nonetheless, she said he will remain on the rolls "until we are directed otherwise to remove him."

Maintaining accurate voting rolls is up to the state Division of Elections, which has failed to effectively remove felons for years.

Most recently, in 2006, the Auditor General recommended the division conduct a "comprehensive check" of all registered voters against lists of convicted felons, a step the state still has not taken, Browning acknowledged.

In response to auditors, the division said running the search "would not be a problem," but it lacked the manpower to verify possible matches. "Staff further stated that they were busy full-time" checking newly registered felons.

Once voters are added to the rolls, the state's procedure for removing them is tedious and labor-intensive. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement runs daily checks of criminal records against new voters and those who have made changes to their registrations, sending possible matches to the Elections Division.

Elections staff then manually check each one, a process that involves three to five workers reviewing records, comparing driver's license and prison photos and verifying convictions. Confirmed matches are sent to the counties for removal.

Since January 2006, more than 1.6 million new voters have registered in Florida. FDLE identified more than 124,000 possible felons.

In that time, elections workers removed about 7,200 from voter rolls statewide. Broward County took off just 232 and Palm Beach County 31.

"We do want to make sure ... that we have the right voter," Browning said.

Elections workers are now reviewing more than 3,800 possible felon voters but have more than 108,000 others still to be checked. "We've not touched those records yet," Browning said.

Asked how long it will take to review them all, he said, "I don't have a clue. I really don't."


Recently registered
John Teate, who lives west of Boca Raton, remains on the voter rolls after registering as a Democrat in July despite felony drug and theft convictions dating to the early 1990s. He said someone he thinks was a Democratic supporter signed him up while he waited for a bus at the central terminal in downtown Fort Lauderdale.

"I said, 'I'm a convicted felon. I can't vote,'" recalled Teate, 45. "I figured when the paperwork came in, there would be a red flag."


A spokesman for Barack Obama's campaign said it is unlikely his volunteers signed up Teate because his name is not in a database of new voters they registered.

Teate hasn't voted and said he doesn't plan to.

It's a third-degree felony for ineligible voters to knowingly cast ballots and for campaign workers and voters to submit false registration forms. Prosecutors and elections officials in South Florida could not recall any prosecutions related to felons registering or voting in recent years.

Henderson, the Hallandale Beach voter, said he does not think his criminal record should keep him from voting.

"I paid my debt," Henderson said. "Just because I was incarcerated, that means I'm nothing now? I'm still a father. I got two kids I'm raising."

Evan Snow, a West Palm Beach Republican, agrees. Convicted of burglary, battery and other crimes dating to the 1980s, Snow said he sought clemency several years ago but was discouraged by the lengthy process and gave up.

Snow, 46, registered to vote in June. He said he plans to cast a ballot Nov. 4 but hasn't decided which presidential candidate to support.

"Everybody is getting interested in politics right now," he said. "We are all here together. Shouldn't we all be able to make a decision about who runs the place?"

To civil rights advocates, the troubled system is an argument to change the state's constitution to automatically restore voting rights to all felons who complete their sentences.

As of mid-September, about 118,000 mostly nonviolent offenders had received automatic clemency under the 2007 change. For more than 9,700 of them, it didn't matter — their names had never been removed from the voter rolls.


Why are more than 30,000 felons on Florida's voter rolls?
Vote in our poll, watch a video report, sound off on our message board and use our interactive map to find the number of felon voters in your neighborhood at SunSentinel.com/felonvoters

Copyright © 2008, South Florida Sun-Sentinel

 

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