Lively Case Discussion #528 9/29 - 10/2/2006

[klaasend]

Does anyone know if Jossy has been publishing the statements in the Diario?  I wonder if he would publish an article about ScaredMonkeys having the Statements, Timeline, & Pictorial Who's Who.

Nope, none of the recent statement published in Diario.  Remember though, Diario is in Papiamento so they would have to translate back into Pap.  I doubt they would publish the English translations.

[terryd270]

Klaasend,

I guess I wasn't the only one that got hurt playing tennis last Wednesday night..

"I need to hold off until Wed this week. I have a rotator cuff injury. I will be going to have it check out on Wed. I'm hope it's not going to mean no tennis for a while but I have to waite and see.
Chris"

I don't remember seeing him say anything about his arm but I guess it could of happen after the game..

[Sue]

Not sure if this was already posted:

Natalee Holloway Story Used to Promote Horror Film ' Chaos'
By Jackson Simpson
Sep 30, 2006    

Steven Jay Bernheim and David DeFalco, the makers of the horror movie 'Chaos,' have defended their stance that their movie could have saved Natalee Holloway's life.  The creators of the brutal film 'Chaos' make the bold statement that yes - their film could have saved Natalee's life.



Obviously they are using Natalee Holloway as a promotional tool, but can it be for a positive that will warn women not to leave bars or parties with absolute strangers?  They believe it can.

TMZ has the video of an explanation from the filmmakers and reports that though "Chaos" is not inspired by Holloway's disappearance, the movie is being promoted as an unsettling warning to young women and their parents -- and that stance is causing some controversy.

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"The movie is so terrifying and horrific to a young girl, we don't think any young girls who see the movie would leave a bar with two strangers," says producer Steven Jay Bernheim in the sort clip.

The web site explains that the movie follows two young women who venture to a rave in the woods. They leave the party with a drug dealer to score some ecstasy, and quickly become the pawns in a psychotic gang's sick game. The two suffer through torture, rape and murder and, as some reviews have noted, not in that particular order.

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A summary of the film at IMDb calls it "Possibly the most brutal film ever made, Chaos is a cautionary tale of two teens who throw themselves into harms way. Two girls, looking to score some ecstasy at a rave, follow a young man to a house where terror awaits. There a gang of felons capture and torment the girls drawing them into a nightmare of violence."

In real life 18-year-old Natalee Holloway vanished just hours before she was scheduled to report to the airport at the end of the five-day trip with 124 classmates and seven chaperones from Mountain Brook High School in Alabama.

She was last seen alive with three men that she had just met.  She remains missing to this day.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27268741.shtml

--Jackson Simpson

Sounds to me like these folks should make a sizable contribution to the search fund and also Beths travel  organization

[terryd270]

I guess nothing on tonight about the case?  Have a good nite and hopefully Paulus has some people that would like to take him down..  Someone gots to have something on these Sloots and if so, now would be a good time to go after them..

[Sue]

So ahve we heard anymore about Joran running back to Aruba??
what a pansy ass

[Anna]

Does anyone know if Jossy has been publishing the statements in the Diario?  I wonder if he would publish an article about ScaredMonkeys having the Statements, Timeline, & Pictorial Who's Who.

Nope, none of the recent statement published in Diario.  Remember though, Diario is in Papiamento so they would have to translate back into Pap.  I doubt they would publish the English translations.

Then how about an article saying they can be found in Dutch and English at SM?  I really think Arubans NEED to know they are released and what the statements say.  How can we let them know?  So many speak Dutch that could read the statements in Dutch if not English.

.

[JA]

I need to purge my car floor of some dried leaves.  Does anyone know where I can purchase a nozzle for leaves only?[/code]

[Windsor]

O/T -- it seems to be slow -- who loves Grey's Anatomy??  (i sure do ... )      

[klaasend]

Klaasend,

I guess I wasn't the only one that got hurt playing tennis last Wednesday night..

"I need to hold off until Wed this week. I have a rotator cuff injury. I will be going to have it check out on Wed. I'm hope it's not going to mean no tennis for a while but I have to waite and see.
Chris"

I don't remember seeing him say anything about his arm but I guess it could of happen after the game..

Tell you what, if I got out on the tennis court right now there'd be alot more hurting on me besides an arm or a toe..ha ha.  

[klaasend]

Does anyone know if Jossy has been publishing the statements in the Diario?  I wonder if he would publish an article about ScaredMonkeys having the Statements, Timeline, & Pictorial Who's Who.

Nope, none of the recent statement published in Diario.  Remember though, Diario is in Papiamento so they would have to translate back into Pap.  I doubt they would publish the English translations.

Then how about an article saying they can be found in Dutch and English at SM?  I really think Arubans NEED to know they are released and what the statements say.  How can we let them know?  So many speak Dutch that could read the statements in Dutch if not English.

.

I can see if Red will ask Jossie about it.  Jossie could put a link to SM or Jossie could print in his paper the Dutch versions.

[klaasend]

So ahve we heard anymore about Joran running back to Aruba??
what a pansy ass

I figure if Joran is in Aruba right now by tomorrow we'll find some party pictures of him.  Didn't find any yet from last night but that doesn't mean there aren't any, lol  

[blah]

I need to purge my car floor of some dried leaves.  Does anyone know where I can purchase a nozzle for leaves only?[/code]

just throw some ants in there, they eat leaves

 

[Smish]

I could buy that.Seems reasonable to think that there was a coverup in place so they would have to hide some evidences like cell calls and computer info right?

Beautiful new pic, Smish (pssst, she makes them on her puter!).  I keep thinking that these guys didn't think any coverup would have to be so clean and tidy.  They didn't want anything blatant coming up pointing to them, but initially, they expected Beth and the media to go away, hanging their heads that nothing was found.  I do think that's why the coverup ended up looking so sloppy and transparent.  They didn't know Beth and Dave and the US media would stick around asking so many questions.

Thank you my friend.

I agree,There could have been 2 coverups going on at the same time.You know how Aruba is about communicating.

[oldfart]

Hey Gang..
Popping back in for a bit...
Not in the best shape for a "debate" but just more or less just wondering again.
WE think (based upon statements) that the K's cleaned the car before going to C&C (ants),  Cleaned it before going in on 5/31 to give a statements and may have cleaned in the early am of 5/30 (rumored witness)
I cannot remember what time this rumored witness saw the cleaning (5/30 am).

My question is was this before 2:00 am?
Seems like Deepak was on line at 2:am ??? If so was the rumored  car cleaning going on before or after he was on line and what about the phone call from Joarn wanting a  ride home around 2:30
I know I should chek Shiz's time but I'm lazy  tonight

[Smish]

Just wondering here..

Is Deepak talking about being summoned to Bubali on 5/31/05??

To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day.

You are telling to me that my car looked very clean on that day. About that I can state the following, I had vacuumed my car the previous day.

To your question as to why I had vacuumed my car the previous day, I can state the following. I thought my car was dirty on the inside there was a lot of sand.

To your question as to how dirty my car was on the inside, I can state the following. There was a lot of sand inside of the car.

To your question as to when I had been to the beach for the last time, I can state the following. I had been to a party on the beach about two or three weeks ago.

To your question as to where the sand came from the day in question that I vacuumed the car, I can state the following. The sand came from Joran, because he had almost fallen into the water and after that he had sat down in my car with sand on his shorts and on his legs.
To your question as to why I vacuumed the car on that Sunday in question, I can state the following. I thought it was dirty.

from DEEPAK 06/10/2005 STATEMENT

Vacuumed the previous day.. as per a wittiness -- 5/30 in the early a.m.

Last time to the beach... 2-3 weeks ago..  NOT on 5-29 in the early am. or he did not get out at the beach on 5/30 ??

When did Joran get sand in the car?  Where and when did this happen? Deepak let sand sit in his car for 2-3 weeks? I think not!

Besides I thought the boys cleaned the car before they picked up Joran on Sunday night & headed out to C&C's. ?

If he is NOT talking about his 5/31 interview when the heck was he with Joran near the water (and where) atfer the 5/31 interview?

What was Joran wearing at C&C's on 5/29  and also on 5/30 - 5/31 at the casino and then at the house when Beth showed up ? Shorts on either occasion?
There are some statements that just make me go WTF  Why in the world did they say that   and this is one of them.

Sorry for asking so many questions

Oh ... Sorry    Hi Monkeys

Hi OF....Beth did say something about the way Joran and Deepak were dressed the night of the 30th when they arrived at the vds's home.She said it was not proper attire for someone who claims they were at the casinos.We (and Beth I'm sure)already know they allow them to wear shorts and such in the casinos....so I'm wondering if they both had swimming trunks on?

[klaasend]

Oldfart - I want to say it was between 2-2:30am:

[Sam]

O/T -- it seems to be slow -- who loves Grey's Anatomy??  (i sure do ... )      

I used to love it alot . The Book. When I was going to scrub on a case I had not done for awhile or one I had never done.. LOL


Terry, You are probably going to lose that toenail. You could soak it in some warm epson salts. If the pain gets to bad take a pain killer and pour some peroxide over it. You might want to try to keep it elevated when you can. Hope something here helps.

[Sam]

Ok who blew the margins? LOL

Also Terry if you have a dremel you could drill some small holes in the toenail in a few days.

[oldfart]

Smish

The sand came from Joran, because he had almost fallen into the water and after that he had sat down in my car with sand on his shorts and on his legs.

Like I said...
This is just at statement that jumped out at me (better late than not at all)
Yes I remember stuff about Joarn NOT be dressed in what we would consider noramal attire for coming from a casino which is no big deal but he should NOT have been allowed into the casino to begin with.

My point is they (from what we know) NEVER aksed when / where Joarn got sand in the car.
If we are talking 5/29 - 5/30 timeline... based upon statements we have Joran never got out and back into Deepaks car.. Not even to Whizzzz

If after 5/30  we have meeting at the Raquet club... but NO mention of Joarn being in Deepaks car
It appears that they do not care much of having dates of events  being being made clear in the statements too.

[Tylergal]

Shizaru - I don't know what statements are still left.  There may be many we haven't received yet but I don't know.

As far as walking to Montanja...why not just walk to Malmuk?  He could get Koen or Sander to help him.  Remember how Sander conveniently had his cell phone stollen at school on May 30th?

Maybe, but wouldn't he have called them first? And if Joran had called Sander there would still be a record of it even without Sanders' phone.

How many disposable phones are unaccounted for?!?