Lively Case Discussion #528 9/29 - 10/2/2006

[SunFreak2]

If the Kalpoe brothers can get themselves released as suspects in November perhaps they can be questioned again as witnesses. Then maybe they will tell us what really happened that night with Joran & Natalee.  Wishful thinking, huh?

Joran already tried once to free himself as a suspect. Wasn't that right after he was served with the civil suit in NY?  I hope they would not release him again.

I don't understand how they can send just one Dutch investigator to read the thousands of pages in the dossier and view the hours of video. Surely, even the Dutch know that it is important to bounce ideas off of another person.  There should be at least 3 investigators to make a quorum, so it couldn't get deadlocked if there were just 2.  How do we know the 1 investigator wouldn't be in the pocket of Paulus & the corrupt of ALE?

We need to start another letter writing campaign to the Dutch ambassadors & government officials to this effect. Bombard them with letters & emails.  Get our new Dutch posters to do the same.

[Anna]

[Carnut]

If the Kalpoe brothers can get themselves released as suspects in November perhaps they can be questioned again as witnesses. Then maybe they will tell us what really happened that night with Joran & Natalee.  Wishful thinking, huh?

Joran already tried once to free himself as a suspect. Wasn't that right after he was served with the civil suit in NY?  I hope they would not release him again.

I don't understand how they can send just one Dutch investigator to read the thousands of pages in the dossier and view the hours of video. Surely, even the Dutch know that it is important to bounce ideas off of another person.  There should be at least 3 investigators to make a quorum, so it couldn't get deadlocked if there were just 2.  How do we know the 1 investigator wouldn't be in the pocket of Paulus & the corrupt of ALE?

We need to start another letter writing campaign to the Dutch ambassadors & government officials to this effect. Bombard them with letters & emails.  Get our new Dutch posters to do the same.

I seem to remember that the reason JVDS was trying to be released as a suspect was so that the entire VDS family would be able to sue for damages and not just PVDS.

[nonesuche]

Sunfreak-

I agree, somehow pressure has to be exerted and SOON upon the Dutch. I also think it's a point to ponder if Red could post such efforts on the FP in terms of a call-out to the Dutch posters to assist as well? I suspect receiving pushback from their own citizens could carry far more weight than just ours?

Carnut  

I have to go mow my grass, ya'll are keeping me from it, how dare you!  

Hey San-

I did this one for me  

[San]

Morning Sunfreak - yes YOU  

Do you have a smiley face that says POS

Thanks Klaas

[San]

Morning Sunfreak - yes YOU  

Do you have a smiley face that says POS

hmmm........



you owe me San  

LOL...I do owe you.  Thanks.

[Anna]

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Could the Kelpoes be applying early beause is retiring?  Or is this the law?  Does it have anything to do with the prosecutor's retirement?

Then why were we told two years?
Makes me want to

And sometimes I think we are just

The FBI would have to be invited in and I don't think that will happen or if it does somebody, maybe even Paulus himself, will have gone through everything and

Even if the FBI or the Family gets the dossier, what will be left in it?

And this is still my fav smiley:

[Anna]

Anna, I just read last week in my local paper about the increase in crime in Mexico because of drug wars.  It was a lengthy article and included beheadings and such as well as mention that the US issued advisories last year for people traveling to Mexico.  Apparently this crime wave has moved into at least some tourist areas - Acapulco was the only place specifically mentioned.  So don't give up!

You are so right, L'il.  All along the border there is rampant crime and the criminals just cross back over and sometimes with the help of the Federales or whatever they call themselves, Mexican police.  The two girls who were kidnapped there are another heartbreaking story.  Think that was when, last year?  Time goes so quickly I can't remember any details, just the heartbreaking photos of them on TV.

It is so massive and overwhelming I don't know where we start on something so big.  The drug wars make for such easy money and that makes for power, guns, crime and if they make enough money, money laundering and all the rest.

That is part of what is seeping into Aruba from S. American mainland and they are NOT equipped to deal with crime on the scale they are likely to see it.  Meanwhile they go all out to defend these punks and wreck their economy.  How foolish is that!

Next spring the World Cup Cricket games are going to be played in the Netherlands Antilles including Aruba.  I hope these cops are really coming about Natalee and not about all this other crime and the Cricket games.

 

[Anna]

[I seem to remember that the reason JVDS was trying to be released as a suspect was so that the entire VDS family would be able to sue for damages and not just PVDS.

Sunfreak, 3 investigators would be just so logical and makes such sense.  I agree with what you said about sending just one.  And suppose he just says ALE did a great job, nothing here to see, move along, move along!


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[Anna]

October 1st 2006 9pm et

Dave Holloway will join me and discuss any recent developments in the case of his missing daughter Natalee


http://bruinfan.sasktelwebsite.net/


Call in number before and after the interview is 306-842-7884

Toll free number 1-877-842-7884

And that is 8 pm Central Time in Alabama.  

I have to get busy or I will miss Dana still doing my work.  You Monkeys are making me want to stay here and read your posts.  I am very fearful this Dutch team is not as we first thought it was.  I will read back for any suggestions like Sunfreak's to post to call out the Dutch readers to contact their officials and demand a real investigation, etc.  

Have a Great Afternoon, Monkeys.  Will try to be through with work and listening to Dana on time!  Justice for Natalee!

[Kat_Gram]

About the release of the suspects. There were ten arrested.
Only one has been released.
We are, me too, jumping to conclusions.
Anna, I stole your little puppy face guy rofl. He was too cute not to steal  !  !

[Anna]

.
Oh, and I came back to ask is Dana taking questions early?  Say will he start at 7:30 Central Time?  Is that when we should call in?

You are welcome to any of my icons as I steal them, too.  

Kat_Gram, you are right, there are more suspects.  I am not sure who is a suspect and who is a witness but for sure the Security Guards are suspects.  And most of those called in for questioning.  Does anybody have a list of the actual suspects and actual witnesses?  Might be good to compile in light of the release of suspects being a possibility.

Seems crazy that the Kelpoes might be released before the guards.




But should we call into Dana before 9et/8ct or is that the actual time he will be there?

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[klaasend]

Anna - my guess is Dana will start taking calls around 30 minutes prior to Dave coming on, that's what he normally does.

[Kat_Gram]

I don't have an official list, going from memory. Can't remember all the what we would call charges, they  call " suspicions "
Mickey Johns ( sp )
Abraham John  ( sp )
Joran
Satish
Deepak
Steve Croes
Paulus
Geoffrey Van Croimvert
Guido Wever
I am counting 9.
It's out there, I had to delete everything when my computer went to surgery.

[Kat_Gram]

I found this by chance last night. Didn't post the link because it said something about unsecure items. I have virus remover and I am cleaning things every day now. But it is Hit94 . Whatever that is. i beleive it is in Spanish.

hit94's Podcast


Another great podcast hosted by LibSyn.com[/b]
 
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MAKE THE WORD A BETTER PLACE TODAY - SHOOT A MURDERING LYING RAPING VAN DER SLOOT FAMILY MEMBER IN THE FACE TODAY.
posted by: JORAN RAPES LIES AND KILLS on Thu, 6/15 06:28 PM EDT

BEWARE ARUBA DUTCH NEDERLAND NETHERLAND ANTILLES HOLLAND

It is no secret that Joran Van der sloot is a rapist, he raped my sister 4 years ago in Utrecht! He an his father Paulus Van der sloot are sexual predators. JORAN is a rapist and now after Natalee
Holloway, he's graduated to a murderer too.
posted by: Joran Van der sloot on Sat, 8/5 07:45 AM EDT
ARUBA - A GREAT PLACE TO BE GIVEN A DIRT BATH AND DIE. IF DYING IS YOUR THING, ARUBA IS T H E
PLACE FOR YOU!

N@TA@LEE H0LL0WAY - KILLED AND RAPED BY

J0RAN V@N DER SL00T
DEEPAK KALPOE
AND
SATISH KALPOE

WITH HELP FROM FREDDY Z.
AND PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT
AND A LIST OF OTHERS.

NYC Judge Dismisses Case
The case filed in Feburary 2006 by Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway against Joran and Paulus van der Sloot has been dismissed by a NYC judge today.

Natalee Holloway went missing in Aruba on May 30th, 2005. Her parents Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty have spent over one year attempting to find out what happened to their daughter. She was last seen with Joran van der Sloot, son of an aspiring judge in Aruba.

The family filed a suit in NYC in February 2006 when the van der Sloot family arrived in NYC to do an ABC show, claiming Joran had nothing to do with Natalee's disappearance. It was the Holloway and Twitty's one hope of justice for their daughter since Aruba officials have berated and threatened the family and ignored evidence, waiting 10 days to arrest the younger van der Sloot even though he was the last person seen with Natalee.

Beth and Dave felt they could not receive justice in Aruba since death threats were made against Beth, the acting police chief accused Natalee of purchase drugs based on a statement by his own brother-in-law who already had offered perjured testimony against other innocent people.

In addition, much of the possible evidence in the case was routinely disposed of by Aruban officials instead of actually being tested. No one in Aruba has bothered to address by a father would knowingly allow his 17 year old son to gamble in a casino or drink. No charges were filed against the van der Sloot's for this, nor have charges been filed against Joran, Deepak and Satish for lying to the police, causing innocent people to be arrested.

Instead, Paulus van der Sloot was paid approximately $28,000 yesterday as "damages" for having been arrested and detained by Aruban police. Only in Aruba does a suspect's father get paid off for being under suspicion since witnesses testified that the father counselled the son and his friends. Only in Aruba.

Prime suspects Joran van der Sloot, and brother Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were the last ones seen with Natalee as they took her away from a bar on May 30, 2005. All three offered lies, accusing two former security guards who were arrested while the three boys remained free for 10 days.

While remaining free, several witnesses (including one of the innocent security guards, the Aruban Prosecutor, Deepak Kalpoe and Joran) contend that Paulus van der Sloot coached the boys, saying "no body, no case". We have never heard the entire contents of the talks between Paulus, Joran and his friends around the swimming pool but allegations say it included telling them not to talk over their cell phones.

Once arrested the boys stories began to change but never in agreement with each other. The "final" story has Joran saying Satish Kalpoe picked him up at the beach where Joran left Natalee (this after he said Deepak picked him up and Deepak denied the same); which Satish and Deepak deny.

Americans have responded to Beth Twitty's and Dave Holloway's sorrow and frustration by not traveling to Aruba. Aruba Tourism continues a double digit downward spiral. We hope Americans will continue to realize how unsafe Aruba is since Aruban officials will protect Dutch deliquients over American tourists.

We need to make it very clear (because in a statment issued by Joe Tacopinia, attorney for Joran van der Sloot in the NY case, he's leaving the wrong impression) that dismissal of the case does not in any way decide the guilt or innocence of Joran van der Sloot. Rather the case was dismissed for jurisdictional issues.

Our hearts and prayers go out the Holloway and Twitty family and the dismissal of this case is yet another punch in the stomach.
posted by: F8CKARUBATOAFIERY PITINH3LL on Sun, 8/6 09:11 AM EDT




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[klaasend]

In Amigoe Dutch today:

WILLEMSTAD — Beth Holloway, de moeder van de op 30 mei vorig jaar verdwenen Amerikaanse tiener Natalee Holloway, blijft de publiciteit zoeken. Deze week vertelde ze voor de eerste keer in een Nederlandse talkshow haar verhaal. Dat gebeurde in het programma Jensen! Op RTL 5.
30 Sep, 2006, 17:32 (GMT -04:00)

http://www.amigoe.com/

Babel Fish translation:

WILLEMSTAD - Beth Holloway, the mother of the year previous on 30 May disappeared American teenager Natalee Holloway, the publicity continues zoeken. These weak told them for the first time in a Dutch tallow show its tale. That happened in the programme Jensen! On RTL 5..30 Sep, 2006, 17.32 (GMT -04:00)

[LilPuma]

Howdy, Ms. Janssen!  Got me a warrant here.

Just checking to see if SunFreak's instructions, and my ability to follow them, both worked.  

[friend of monkeys]

I  just wanted to thank Kat-Gram for the prev post...hi Klass...

and welcome to all oour new posters and lurkers from Holland and Aruba...your input always welcome..
we are a good bunch of monkeys !!!
     

[friend of monkeys]

also ----clothing optional.... i am still naked!!!

[Sue]

If the Kalpoe brothers can get themselves released as suspects in November perhaps they can be questioned again as witnesses. Then maybe they will tell us what really happened that night with Joran & Natalee.  Wishful thinking, huh?

Joran already tried once to free himself as a suspect. Wasn't that right after he was served with the civil suit in NY?  I hope they would not release him again.

I don't understand how they can send just one Dutch investigator to read the thousands of pages in the dossier and view the hours of video. Surely, even the Dutch know that it is important to bounce ideas off of another person.  There should be at least 3 investigators to make a quorum, so it couldn't get deadlocked if there were just 2.  How do we know the 1 investigator wouldn't be in the pocket of Paulus & the corrupt of ALE?

We need to start another letter writing campaign to the Dutch ambassadors & government officials to this effect. Bombard them with letters & emails.  Get our new Dutch posters to do the same.

why would the kalpoes get released in november??? we are not close to 2 years yet