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« on: November 02, 2008, 04:51:29 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2008, 09:30:52 AM »

I watched this on Friday, I am not a huge fan of Arnold's but I surely did like to hear him call a spade a spade - America is NOT FOR SALE !
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2008, 11:32:13 AM »

I didn’t have much to say about Schwarzenegger, either.  That is until I listened to his Columbus speech.  I was impressed by several things he mentioned.

(paraphrased)
That Arnold came to this country because of the opportunities.

He could have gone to the other countries, but wouldn’t have succeeded a tenth as well.

Europe is beginning to roll back socialist ideas that didn’t work.

Obama is promoting old “spread the wealth” ideas from decades ago

Europe is learning from America—rolling back old socialist policies.

Arnold left Europe 4 decades ago because Socialism killed opportunities there.

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I believe you ask someone who has been there, and done that.  Someone who will tell how it was, and why he left.

Obama’s way kills the “Goose that laid the Golden Egg”.  Kills opportunities; curtails incentive; squashes success!  Finally, Obama’s plan takes a country reeling from an economic hit . . . and drives it into the ground.

We will not recognize America 8 years from now, under Democrat rule. 

What can Obama be thinking?
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2008, 12:45:11 PM »

Slogger, Obama's intent is to turn the US into a "haven" for black americans and muslims. I wonder how the hispanics, many who are catholic are going to feel but one thing I'm certain of, if Obama could take the dollars from us caucasian whiteys he would and load us up into containment areas to slave for him.

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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2008, 01:19:59 PM »

Whether or not Obama would go that far, I'd rather stop it NOW.

There is a chance for McCain/Palin to win, avoiding socialism and the disappearance of values of country, honesty, secure elections, confidence in the system, encouraging opportunity, and NOT TAXING SUCCESS.

The YouTube in the Bullseye thread explained clearly:
The Republican believe in the wealthy and need the wealthy because they can/will promote more success, more jobs.  Republicans need the wealthy to stay wealthy.

Democrats need the poor to stay poor because it gives them power and purpose.  Without the poor, they can't push the policies for their power.  Democrats need the poor to stay poor.

I'd add to that:
With the current crisis, Democrats have, and are, using the poor to gain FULL POWER with no balance, no accountability, no repercussions for the actions they took to put us where we are now.

Republicans are not for freebies, liberal spending, high taxes, and gifts for those who didn't earn it and can't pay for it.  All of that is the Democrat plan, and the Democrat way of dealing.

For this election:  Voting Democrat = DEMISE, and DISGUST,
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2008, 02:35:51 PM »

Slogger, Obama's intent is to turn the US into a "haven" for black americans and muslims. I wonder how the hispanics, many who are catholic are going to feel but one thing I'm certain of, if Obama could take the dollars from us caucasian whiteys he would and load us up into containment areas to slave for him.


you really believe that don't you?
i am sure there more who truly fear this.

i bet they are the main force behind all the fake outrages we have seen over the last few months.
interesting to see that now, the last days before the election the real motives are popping up to the surface.

reminds me a bit of the last days of the Apartheid, when whites in S-Africa feared the 'terrorist' Mandela would start treating them the same way blacks were treated for decades.
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2008, 03:32:44 PM »

Be it right or wrong, Caesu, many do believe that.  Whether he meant to or not, he left that impression by the words in his own books.  And, yes, I have read both of his books.  If you find it difficult to believe that people could draw those conclusions you can blame that on 'diversity training' classes that are made mandatory in many places.  Ever been to one?  If so, do you ever hear an objective opinion of how white people view things?  The key word there being objective.  All that is ever taught in those training sessions is how bad white people are and how unfair white people are and how greedy white people are.  Get the drift?  This is beginning to have the reverse effect.  White people are not the cause of all ills in the world.  White people did not cause the turmoil in Africa, for example.

Oh, and if you are willing to truly have an open mind and look into exactly what the Weather Undergrounds intentions were...re-education camps and the slaughter of millions was not far-fetched for them.  They delighted in these ideas.  While I hope this will never happen, I would never discount the possiblility.
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2008, 03:37:14 PM »

Slogger, Obama's intent is to turn the US into a "haven" for black americans and muslims. I wonder how the hispanics, many who are catholic are going to feel but one thing I'm certain of, if Obama could take the dollars from us caucasian whiteys he would and load us up into containment areas to slave for him.


you really believe that don't you?
i am sure there more who truly fear this.

i bet they are the main force behind all the fake outrages we have seen over the last few months.
interesting to see that now, the last days before the election the real motives are popping up to the surface.

reminds me a bit of the last days of the Apartheid, when whites in S-Africa feared the 'terrorist' Mandela would start treating them the same way blacks were treated for decades.

1- I have tired of your died-in-the-wool socialist mind making assumption after assumption

2- You dare to compare Obama to Mandela ???? BLASPHEMY and Mandela is a far, far better man. He never had truces with the underbelly in order to gain power, instead he rose upon his platform, his ideas, and his willingness to suffer even personal torture for his beliefs.

3 - How dare you make assumptions about how black americans are treated in the US, how dare you!! Did black americans arrive here as slaves, yes they did, it was terribly wrong. Have I or my children ever treated any minority in that way, or with less respect than we would like to have in return. NEVER !!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama isn't interested in ALL having equal footing, he is interested in reparations. As a female who has worked in male-dominated fields all of my career, I could rail against being discriminated against for most of my life so where are my reparations ????????? !!!!!!!!

The first three letters in assumption are very accurate in describing those who make them.
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2008, 03:41:38 PM »

South Africa, hmm, how about Kenya?  Obama helped over there.  Were Kenyans better off after the elections; were the Christians better off?  Oh, some were dead; there was civil unrest.

I do expect some civil unrest, no matter who wins the election.  I do believe Obama has set the stage for it.  I doubt very much that it will be McCain supporters.  I do think it will be Obama supporters--fired up by a win, or furious at a loss.

I do believe Obama feels there is a debt to be paid.  That Rev. Wright's teachings have sunk in; that Bill Ayers ideas and ideals have settled . . . and, we don't know what else, because Obama is mysterious.  Obama leaves great gaps in his history; we fill them in as best we can.  I do see the predicament as we try to find the truth; Barack tries to keep the truth away.  Obama supporters will do anything for the win; they will (fill in the blank, because it includes most activities.)

Barack is not an open book; he's a closed box.  Why wouldn't we be concerned about "what you don't know, can kill you."

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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2008, 03:45:49 PM »

Just to be abundantly clear caesu for you seem to read and run with a soundbyte, I've been posting since Obama first announced his candidacy about this issue - reparations and his association with like-minded with Rev Wright and The Trinity Church.

THIS is what the real outrage is, not fake in any regard

Obama isn't interested in ALL having equal footing, he is interested in reparations.

Now, go focus on your own country's problems and leave ours alone. You have provided nothing of value in all of your posts. Just taunting over and over and over again. It's beyond childish.

fyi, last weekend while at an arts street fair I overheard a group of black americans refer to Obama stating loudly  "he's going to get whitey". I was appalled, but even so, I didn't confront them. But this is what his quasi platform has communicated to some black americans and I feared this was going to happen due to Michelle and Obama twisting the issue of race ever since the nominations.

If you don't like the messenger I do not care, you have your own country to worry about, we'll worry about ours just fine without you.


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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2008, 03:52:56 PM »

nonesuche,

You are correct in stating that this is not a new 'issue' for people.  It has be discussed almost from the very beginning.  Caesu is doing what liberals always do.  They try to make everything about some 'demonic inclination driving your thoughts' any time you disagree with them or expose by observation what could become a negative view of their ideas.  The more they shout it or try to discredit you, the closer you have come to hitting it out of the park.

Hint: Think Alinsky...Rules for Radicals.
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2008, 04:00:44 PM »

Slogger, Obama's intent is to turn the US into a "haven" for black americans and muslims. I wonder how the hispanics, many who are catholic are going to feel but one thing I'm certain of, if Obama could take the dollars from us caucasian whiteys he would and load us up into containment areas to slave for him.


you really believe that don't you?
i am sure there more who truly fear this.

i bet they are the main force behind all the fake outrages we have seen over the last few months.
interesting to see that now, the last days before the election the real motives are popping up to the surface.

reminds me a bit of the last days of the Apartheid, when whites in S-Africa feared the 'terrorist' Mandela would start treating them the same way blacks were treated for decades.

1- I have tired of your died-in-the-wool socialist mind making assumption after assumption

2- You dare to compare Obama to Mandela ???? BLASPHEMY and Mandela is a far, far better man. He never had truces with the underbelly in order to gain power, instead he rose upon his platform, his ideas, and his willingness to suffer even personal torture for his beliefs.

3 - How dare you make assumptions about how black americans are treated in the US, how dare you!! Did black americans arrive here as slaves, yes they did, it was terribly wrong. Have I or my children ever treated any minority in that way, or with less respect than we would like to have in return. NEVER !!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama isn't interested in ALL having equal footing, he is interested in reparations. As a female who has worked in male-dominated fields all of my career, I could rail against being discriminated against for most of my life so where are my reparations ????????? !!!!!!!!

The first three letters in assumption are very accurate in describing those who make them.

you are the one making assumptions here.
and i am not comparing Obama with Mandela.
but i am comparing the fear of reparations, as you put it, in both instances.
i believe there is no reason for that fear - only if you want to believe that.
but history will show that.
if this was 1870 and Obama would have been elected i would understand that fear.
i am sure there are some blacks now who hope Obama is going for reparations.
but they are going to be disappointed.
i am also sure there are some on the left who want a socialist state.
they are going to be disappointed too.
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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2008, 04:11:06 PM »

Thanks truthseeker, I appreciate it. I am not a huge McCain fan but I certainly know that socialism is one step removed from communism.

We have a Constitution, one that Obama and Pelosi do not respect and fully intend to twist and bend to fit their power mongering.
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2008, 04:17:37 PM »

Again, we agree.  McCain was not my first choice but he is far better than Obama.
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2008, 04:29:28 PM »


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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2008, 04:35:37 PM »

I think that Obama's attendence in Rev. Wright's church for 20 years and his close relationship with him as spiritual mentor speaks so loudly about this issue that I can't hear the eloquent words of the campaign.

As Hillary said, you can't pick your family, but you choose your pastor.
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« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2008, 05:06:28 PM »

I am listening now to Liza Mundy speaking on CSPAN2 about her new book she's written about Michelle Obama, and it's just downright fascinating.

Michelle mind you, had the opportunity to be educated at Princeton, a privilege women did not even have 9 years prior to her enrollment. It seems it was while on Princeton's campus that Michelle began to truly resent white america. Hearing Liza retell the why of this, the history behind it, I am struck by something so revealing. Was Michelle so shallow that she did not realize many of us,  have had to confront and endure social discrimination???? I am shaking my head, it obviously was Michelle's impression that if you made it to Princeton or Harvard, that you would not be excluded from the circles that the legacies were part of?

The very fact that she complained about being excluded from the elite clubs, that it became her drive to prove something to all of us, is appalling to me.

So now she and her husband will wring payback from all of us.

Even this writer states openly that Michelle has been a polarizing figure in this campaign that approval and disapproval idexes have been even.

Now I'm praying for the Bradley effect to ensue........

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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2008, 05:20:33 PM »

I'm not sure how the Bradley effect will play out here.  I will share with you something that a good friend was telling me the other day.  He works with a very diverse group of employees.  A couple of weeks ago some of them were talking about politics and two African Americans stated clearly that they would not be voting for Obama.  They do not see him as a 'true' African American.  In other words, they see him as someone who had an advantage by growing up going to a private school in Hawaii and then going on to Columbia and Harvard.  They do not believe that African Americans from Hawaii understand them at all.  I don't know if this is very common but I have read editorials by African Americans that do not support Obama.  Thomas Sowell comes to mind.  JC Watts is not an Obama fan either.
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