WHO GETS YOUR VOTE FOR PRESIDENT?

[Atlmetroguy]

So Obama just finished his speech and did not even play the nation anthem...you all ya'll that wanted change...by God you got it!!

[crazybabyborg]

Nope. The National Anthem has been replaced by the coronation interlude.

Silly McCain. Yesterday, I stood in a hanger with 9,000 others and sang the National Anthem, and America The Beautiful. It was a McCain Rally.

[caesu]

Welcome to the Socialist Republic of the United States...you wanted change, by God you got it.

Yeah. Maybe we can figure out how to become one of the recipients for the next 4 years and go back to work after that.

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Hell yeah..I am quitting my job tomorrow which employees 15 Americans and we're all going on welfare to get the support promised to us by President Elect Obama and I'm going to live like the rest of folks in the Atlanta area metro...not working..not stressing and taking life easy.

on other rightwing blogs i've been reading that some in case of a Obama victory will stop working and consuming and try to use as much of the social services as possible.
this in order to destroy the economy totally and drive Obama in 2012 or earlier out of the White House.
don't know how serious these guys are.
it doesn't sound very patriotic, pro-American, 'country first' to me.
and that's what they claim they are about.

McCain gave a good speech.
but listening to his supporters booing and reading comments i think it is a long way from uniting the country.
the campaign with terrorist/socialist remarks by McCain and Palin isn't easily forgotten for both sides.

[nicnic]

McCain gave a good speech.
but listening to his supporters booing and reading comments i think it is a long way from uniting the country.
the campaign with terrorist/socialist remarks by McCain and Palin isn't easily forgotten for both sides.

about as forgettable as....the terrorist ties and socialist ideals that make up the Obama doctrine I'd say...

[crazybabyborg]

Uniting is like change. Depends on what you are unting around and changing to.

In and of itself, those concepts aren't good or bad.

"Uniting" around Hitlers ideas wasn't a good thing, Those who united to "change" Hitler's direction was.

[Atlmetroguy]

Welcome to the Socialist Republic of the United States...you wanted change, by God you got it.

Yeah. Maybe we can figure out how to become one of the recipients for the next 4 years and go back to work after that.

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Hell yeah..I am quitting my job tomorrow which employees 15 Americans and we're all going on welfare to get the support promised to us by President Elect Obama and I'm going to live like the rest of folks in the Atlanta area metro...not working..not stressing and taking life easy.

on other rightwing blogs i've been reading that some in case of a Obama victory will stop working and consuming and try to use as much of the social services as possible.
this in order to destroy the economy totally and drive Obama in 2012 or earlier out of the White House.
don't know how serious these guys are.
it doesn't sound very patriotic, pro-American, 'country first' to me.
and that's what they claim they are about.

McCain gave a good speech.
but listening to his supporters booing and reading comments i think it is a long way from uniting the country.
the campaign with terrorist/socialist remarks by McCain and Palin isn't easily forgotten for both sides.

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Well caesu...so what's your point? Are you saying that I am like everybody else on the right? Why should I not be? I have paid more taxes in my last 35+ years of employment than most make in a life time and I feel like since Obama is going to take more of my money I owe it to my self to pre-empt his actions. Why should I not...they did not mind taking money from my pocket.

[caesu]

well, that's exactly what i mean.
already a Reductio ad Hitlerum is made.

but i am sure McCain will cross the aisle again as senator and work with Obama.
today in his speech i already recognized 'the old bipartisan McCain' again.

and i hope and believe that the group that refuses to unite is very small.
but if McCain wouldn't have run such a dividing campaing that group would have been even smaller.
that will motivate McCain even more now to unite again, the repair the damage.

[crazybabyborg]

Metro.......I know exactly what you are saying. My payroll runs around $32,000.00 every two weeks. This Friday is payday, and by Wednesday I must pay the government 37% of whatever payroll is to the government for the priviledge of starting a business. Once a month I pay for healthcare for 15 American employees, and the bills that keep us up and going and following government rules for workman's comp, liability ins. etc. I make well under $100,000.00 a year and am still paying off my home equity loan I used to start the business four years ago.

I look at my paycheck and see the difference in what I earn and what I take home and see the difference between survival and a few dreams. So do each of my employees. I pay property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes, taxes on any interest I may make on savings and capital gains taxes on my IRA when I still had one. Under Obama, those tax rates will go up, and energy costs will skyrocket ( His words, not mine). I've got to figure out who I'm going to lay off tomorrow.

Someone suggested going through the parking lot and seeing who has an Obama sticker on their car..............

[nicnic]

well, that's exactly what i mean.
already a Reductio ad Hitlerum is made.

but i am sure McCain will cross the aisle again as senator and work with Obama.
today in his speech i already recognized 'the old bipartisan McCain' again.

and i hope and believe that the group that refuses to unite is very small.
but if McCain wouldn't have run such a dividing campaing that group would have been even smaller.
that will motivate McCain even more now to unite again, the repair the damage.

Because clearly, no one has ever heard a Reductio ad Hitlerum coming from a democratic campaign...Just saying.

No one is refusing to unite persay, I think a lot of people, myself included, are refusing to unite blindly..there IS a difference. And there SHOULD be that difference for any person with a functioning brain... I for one, would never want ANYONE to blindly follow anything. I encourage anyone who has any political party affiliation to research and develop their own opinions and ideas..and THAT is what our country is all about. I find it odd that so many people who are riding the coat-tails of the freedom of speech movement would try to quiet a few opinions of our President Elect.
It's not like we are blaming everything on Obama or saying he doesnt care about certain races of people...THAT would be out of line..

Oh wait...those tactics are common.

[Atlmetroguy]

well, that's exactly what i mean.
already a Reductio ad Hitlerum is made.

but i am sure McCain will cross the aisle again as senator and work with Obama.
today in his speech i already recognized 'the old bipartisan McCain' again.

and i hope and believe that the group that refuses to unite is very small.
but if McCain wouldn't have run such a dividing campaing that group would have been even smaller.
that will motivate McCain even more now to unite again, the repair the damage.

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I have watched you post for the last 6 or so months ************************The other question I would as is ************* just when you talk about politics? There is a reason we have a 2 party system in this country, it is because we need checks and balances so that a middle ground on issues can be found. I fully expect my republican representatives to be looking after my best interests since we agree ideologically. Under your views we should all be the same which is democrat to the core and it just is not for everybody, nobody is guaranteed nothing in this country but an opportunity. Should a CITIZEN squander his opportunity it is not my responsibility to pay for his/her screw up.

Edited to remove remarks against another poster.  Please attack the post and not the poster.

[Atlmetroguy]

Metro.......I know exactly what you are saying. My payroll runs around $32,000.00 every two weeks. This Friday is payday, and by Wednesday I must pay the government 37% of whatever payroll is to the government for the priviledge of starting a business. Once a month I pay for healthcare for 15 American employees, and the bills that keep us up and going and following government rules for workman's comp, liability ins. etc. I make well under $100,000.00 a year and am still paying off my home equity loan I used to start the business four years ago.

I look at my paycheck and see the difference in what I earn and what I take home and see the difference between survival and a few dreams. So do each of my employees. I pay property taxes, sales taxes, income taxes, taxes on any interest I may make on savings and capital gains taxes on my IRA when I still had one. Under Obama, those tax rates will go up, and energy costs will skyrocket ( His words, not mine). I've got to figure out who I'm going to lay off tomorrow.

Someone suggested going through the parking lot and seeing who has an Obama sticker on their car..............

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Absolutely!! Most people are lazy sheep and have no idea what it is to be truly responsible and truly support our country. Everybody wants a handout...

I gotta get some some sleep so I have the energy to layoff my staff tomorrow so we can acquire what Comrade Obama says is rightfully ours...

[caesu]

well, that's exactly what i mean.
already a Reductio ad Hitlerum is made.

but i am sure McCain will cross the aisle again as senator and work with Obama.
today in his speech i already recognized 'the old bipartisan McCain' again.

and i hope and believe that the group that refuses to unite is very small.
but if McCain wouldn't have run such a dividing campaing that group would have been even smaller.
that will motivate McCain even more now to unite again, the repair the damage.

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I have watched you post for the last 6 or so months ********  The other question I would as is  *********  There is a reason we have a 2 party system in this country, it is because we need checks and balances so that a middle ground on issues can be found. I fully expect my republican representatives to be looking after my best interests since we agree ideologically. Under your views we should all be the same which is democrat to the core and it just is not for everybody, nobody is guaranteed nothing in this country but an opportunity. Should a CITIZEN squander his opportunity it is not my responsibility to pay for his/her screw up.

i wasn't really talking about political differences.
but one party calling the other anti-American, less-patriotic, not real-American.
especially Palin wasn't using such words.
i believe that made the biggest division. that won't be easily forgotten.
there was even a representative Bachmann, wanting McCarthyism - wanting to investigate other congressmen.

don't know if she got re-elected.

Edited to remove remarks about another poster.

[caesu]

correction:

especially Palin was using such words.

[nicnic]

Right, it's safe to say that Obama's camp has been called anti-american...however,
What would you call someone who has ties to a terrorist who used bombs to protest the United States? or someone who sat for years listening to the same "Loyalty to Africa" sermons that he now condemns? What would you call someone close to the presidential democratic candidate, who says she is ashamed of the united states, declaring us mean? What else can you call it?
And these are just a few.

I mean, lets just call a spade a spade here.

[crazybabyborg]

Perhaps anyone who supported Obama has a celebration to attend tonight. I'd suggest that they not arrive late.

They wanted change, and they got it. Life is going to be wonderful from now on, and there's nothing to disagree or goad about. World Peace and Prosperity has been born anew. Please, go and enjoy the arrival of your victory.

Finally, you have nothing more to worry about. Obama has arrived! No one in congress can oppose the policies, so he'll be able to implement all that his supporters wanted.

You asked for it. You've got it. A redefinition of America! There will be differences. It will be exactly what you asked for: Change, Change, Change.

That horrible thing that has been defined as America is gone. No more problems to blame Republicans with. They, too, are gone. Just Obama and his ideas with nothing to stand in his way. Nothing can possibly go wrong with that, right? Go celebrate your victory.

[Port Valerie]

CBB,

I agree with you completely. You are right on every point. You too Metro. Tonight my husband said he's glad he doesn't own a business any more. I am disgusted with the voters.

[caesu]

Right, it's safe to say that Obama's camp has been called anti-american...however,
What would you call someone who has ties to a terrorist who used bombs to protest the United States? or someone who sat for years listening to the same "Loyalty to Africa" sermons that he now condemns? What would you call someone close to the presidential democratic candidate, who says she is ashamed of the united states, declaring us mean? What else can you call it?
And these are just a few.

I mean, lets just call a spade a spade here.

they not only called Obama that. but entire parts of the country.

a long way to go.

i wish Obama all the best.
he has the most difficult job i can imagine as he wants to re-unite the country after 8 years of dividing.
all that while 2 or actually 3 wars are going on and the economy is in trouble, there is a energy and climate crisis (yes, there is) and a (small i hope) part of the country hates his guts.

[crazybabyborg]

His difficulties have all been removed. No one to even be a bump in the road on that path of recovery and utpoia. From day one his plans will be fully in play. There is no roadblock. It's all his way, his solutions, his ideas, his implementations. Day 2 will be better than day one, day three better than day two, and on and on.

You asked for it. You got it.

[caesu]

we have to wait end see before we can judge President Obama on his time in the White House.

but it think the few on the left who truly want socialism and think Obama will provide everything for them are going to be very dissappointed.

and the ones who fear he is a socialist or a muslim or a radical or what else i've heard are going the be pleasantly surprised because he is far from it.
maybe they realize that talkradio, rightwing blogs are one-sided and misinformed them all along.

[WhiskeyGirl]

we have to wait end see before we can judge President Obama on his time in the White House.

but it think the few on the left who truly want socialism and think Obama will provide everything for them are going to be very dissappointed.

and the ones who fear he is a socialist or a muslim or a radical or what else i've heard are going the be pleasantly surprised because he is far from it.
maybe they realize that talkradio, rightwing blogs are one-sided and misinformed them all along.

Who is Barack Obama?  What are his accomplishments and successes while he was in the Senate?  As a community organizer?  Annenberg?

Who has Obama associated himself with for the past 10-15 years?  Are they people of good character?  Terrorists?  Radicals?  People who have been at the front of positive change?

In my mind, Obama is very charismatic. 

from the Wiki -

In politics, charismatic rule is often found in various authoritarian states, autocracies, dictatorships and theocracies. In order to help to maintain their charismatic authority, such regimes will often establish a vast personality cult, which can be seen as an attempt to gain legitimacy by an appeal to other forms of authority. When the leader of such a state dies or leaves office and a new charismatic leader does not appear, such a regime is likely to fall shortly thereafter unless it has become fully routinized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charismatic_authority

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What of his origins?  The grandparents who helped raise him? 

What of Madelyn Dunham?  Her legacy includes her impact on the life of a future president, and the time she spent working at the Bank of Hawaii.  Was she perfect?  No. 

Somehow, despite her shortcomings (as related by Obama) she managed to raise a daughter that married outside of her racial and ethnic background two times.  A daughter that wanted to ensure (based on what has been reported) that her children received a good education.

What of the BOH?  The BOH did not get involved in the sub-crime lending practices and remains strong.  BOH is a good example of what is right with America.  Did Obama learn about sound financial principles from his grandmother and the BOH?  Or, did his acorn fall from another tree?

What did Obama learn about the WILL of parents and grandparents to raise good children?  Did Dunham ever own a home?  Did she expect the government to do everything?   

In my mind the lasting lesson from Dunham is one that is repeated world wide.  Parents taking an interest in their children and their education and opportunities.  Throwing money at schools and education does not educate children.  It is people like Dunham (and she is not alone) that make education possible. 

It isn't the bricks, it isn't the teachers, it isn't the things that involve money.  All these things help, but I believe the most important thing is the WILL of parents to see their children receive the best possible education.  The WILL of parents can move mountains in places government money cannot.

Does Obama have any compassion or understanding of the racism his grandmother faced in Hawaii?  For the event that caused her such great fear?  Made her afraid to walk to work?  Did he ever consider that the color of HER skin may have made her a target? 

Racism is an ugly thing.  It doesn't matter who is on the giving or receiving end.  The world would be better of without it.  Is it possible to have compassion ONLY for people of a certain skin color or ethnic origin?  Is it possible that the victims of racism come in just one skin color?  Is it all about skin?

From the few comments I've read attributed to Obama, being multi-racial was no problem for him, it made him part of the group.   

What of Madelyn Dunham?  Did she have her opportunities handed to her on a silver platter? 

In the end, Dunham is put on the same level as Wright, an apples to oranges comparison.  All the good things she has accomplished forgotten, all the things she overcame during her lifetime, denigrated.  She wasn't a terrorist, she didn't bomb things, she wasn't a radical.  She worked hard and raised children, while living in a rental unit. 

In my mind, she remains a woman who made the world a better place, irregardless of how her grandson remembers her.

The world needs more people like Madelyn Dunham.

just my humble opinions